EmpressInYellow
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I dunno...someone that goes for "triggered" jokes and has a bit about "this Bruce Jenner thing" sounds an awful lot like a hack.
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Joe Rogan goes full blown MRA; defends Trump, denies gender wage gap
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entremet
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Context matters, but click bait journalism is all about removing any semblance of nuance and going for the extremes.
EmpressInYellow
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Or (and bear with me here) maybe it's possible other people are bothered by things you aren't because of their different perspectives and lived experience?
Nah, never mind. That's crazy talk.
jim-jam bongs
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Telosfortelos
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The pay gap is real, verified by many studies, and exists for workers within the same jobs, for high earning careers and low earning careers. Here are some sites with graphs and citations:
http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/
http://www.nationalpartnership.org/.../fair-pay/americas-women-and-the-wage-gap.pdf
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/04/14/five-facts-about-gender-pay-gap
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.pdf
depths20XX
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I came to that conclusion after all the stupid people started sharing this:
You don't think this country has a terrible problem dealing with mental issues? I hate guns too.
acheron_xl
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The only time I check into Rogan's show is when he has Dan Carlin on.
"the female division" exists because of Ronda.
jim-jam bongs
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It's not an either/or thing, that's the stupid part. To paraphrase and debase the gun lobby, mentally ill people don't kill people, mentally ill people with easy access to firearms do.
capitalCORN
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Yeah, but to sell all the gun crime as a mental health issue is rather dismissive.
ScientificPizza
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you're missing the point there buddy
Por que no los dos?
depths20XX
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Yeah, I agree with you there. I'd like to see us improve both aspects. It's too easy to obtain guns and the mentally ill aren't treated correctly. Our society helps to create people with mental issues as well.
capitalCORN
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It wouldn't be a 'mental health issue' if the shooters weren't majority white.
Beer Monkey
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If I were Joe Rogan I'd have hair plugs.
I'd also hit myself in the nuts for being stupid.
I'd also hit myself in the nuts for being stupid.
depths20XX
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Ok? This is a whole 'nother topic man.
capitalCORN
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People brought up shootings, I replied.
Begrudging support of Hillary, and calling feminism a "leftist" view? Feminism is something the left and the right believe in.
I listen to his podcast all the time and haven't seen a single extended interview I can point to to back up a claim that he's actually really opposed to conservative views and is totally liberal about social issues. It doesn't exist. There are dozens of clips of him ranting about SJW's ruining everything, how stupid vegans are, how women are out to fuck over guys in divorce proceedings, how hunting makes you a real man and people who love animals are pussies, how awesome guns are and that Clinton is stupid for trying to take them away from him, the list goes on and on. You still haven't shown any receipts as to this mythical version of Joe you keep talking about, and standing up to Milo over religion of all things instead of his awful harassment campaign (which he defended on Twitter, by the way) isn't really that strong of a stance.
I'm not knocking the part of his show that features smart people talking about smart things. But that accounts for maybe only half of the content he puts out, and it's just him asking them questions for the most part. When he actually reveals who he is (like on fight companions), it's almost always totally fucking stupid.
depths20XX
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If you want to bring up how black people are treated unfairly when it comes to ownership of firearms I agree. It's not really what I was bringing up though. As someone who doesn't understand the need to own guns in the first place I'd really like to see more control on them for everyone. I don't like anyone having easy access to them.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Oh are we taking Joe Rogan seriously now? That's a mistake lol.
Dude. I never said that. I never called him a liberal, nor did I say having different guests automatically make him a liberal. I said having different guests helps to create a well-formed opinion, in response to you calling him out for having Milo as a guest.
SomedayTheFire
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So am I allowed to call him a dick now without pages and pages of people quoting me to defend him now?
firehawk12
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This was the first and last time I listened to his podcast. lol
I feel the same way. And I'm the last thing from a trump supporter.
A well-formed opinion for his audience? Maybe. He didn't really grill Milo on anything besides religion and let him spout his fucking bullshit about Leslie Jones and a bunch of other things, and as far as him personally, he's friends with Milo and had him on before. He defended him on his harassment and agrees with him about dem SJW's. It's perfectly valid to judge him based on that, Milo is absolute trash.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I think people are doing the classic thing where they reduce people into charactures in order to more easily categorize them, and make it easy for their mind to make sense of the world.
Joe Rogen is clearly a stoned pinhead whose interest is to have conversations about a variety of topics that often randomly fall into liberal, libertarian or conservative categories.
But wouldn't it be so easy for us mentally if we could just file him under "right wing fucktard" so we could go about our day with the sense that we have a greater handle on this man and his place in society. Then all we have to do is say "fuck this guy". A seemingly nice and easy solution, to what is really a world of more complexity.
A well-formed opinion about anything. If you only surround yourself with like-minded people you will eventually find yourself in an echo chamber.
And someone can't be friends with someone they disagree with? Maybe Milo is a fun dude when he's not ranting incessantly about politics or social issues, I dunno.
As for SJWs, they absolutely deserve criticism so I I'm not quite sure where you're going there...
(not mine unfortunately)I'd say it depends on the severity.
There are several people I'd say are terrible depictions of liberals, like the Hugh Mungus incident, or the hula car decorations cab video.
I'm a liberal, and those people are crazy.
Using the buzzword "SJW's" unironically to group those nutjobs in with people who are actually passionate about real social justice issues is where the conversation ends. Be specific about what you're talking about, use context. It would be like if I called alt-righters right wingers or republicans. They're not.
Uh oh, was my opinion too different than yours? Does that mean it's time to turn off discussion? Too bad.
The regressive left is terrible and gives actual liberals (and social activists) a bad name. The term "SJW" does not group them together.
Bingo.
BrutishMrFish
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Milo is a guy who eggs his followers on to send death and rape threats to women he doesn't like. He takes pleasure in hurting people.
Even if you ignore Milo's politics, he's a horrible excuse for a human being. If Rogan can be friends with a guy like that, that says absolutely nothing good about him.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Outside of NeoGAF, SJW isn't necessarily the right wing slur its been made out to be. A lot of mainstream voices, liberals even, use that term as a catchall for social justice excess and strident ideological overreach.
It's simply not the case that the usage of that word divides people into good guy progressives and alt-right badguys.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Even Burr was trying to pull back lol
These boys are crazy
These boys are crazy
"The regressive left" is another broad brush term used by the right to describe anything ranging from every single liberal alive to the most extreme examples who aren't even liberals in the first place. Why would you be using loaded terms like that or "SJW" if you weren't trying to put people into groups? Makes no sense. Use context or else you have no argument, you're just yelling at the clouds.
In 2016? Even Bill Maher stopped using it, because he realized it's stupid. I can't think of any respected liberals who still use it.
Yeah I don't know much about Milo which is why I tried to be reserved in my opinion, but he is definitely starting to sound like a terrible human.
Unfortunately, SJW has become fairly mainstream on the internet (even if not on Gaf). As a blanket buzzword, a buzzword is still a buzzword to everyone, just as much as labeling people alt-right has started to become popular online.
No. The Regressive Left and "SJW" are terms used by all sorts of people, even liberals, to describe those nutjobs. It's absolutely a grouping term, to put the nutjobs under one umbrella and separate them from actual liberals.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm troubled by the casual acceptance of Milo on shows like Rogen's, Adam Carolla and Dave Rubin.
But the thing with Milo is that (hate to admit it) he's charismatic, he's funny, and most of these hosts have little deep awareness of how hateful and destructive he has been.
I think it's less that show hosts like Rogen are simpatico with the total package of Milo, so much as he sneaks under their radar and appears to them as a "fun troll".
I don't excuse it, as they should do their research. But I do think Milo's association with media personalities doesn't necessarily indicate similarity of thinking. He's subversively slipped into the mainstream. (as an aside, he's all over British TV too. Big networks are complicit in giving him a platform, not just Rogen-style internet personalities).
He isn't charming, and it says something about you if you think he is. Also, a host being ignorant of who he is is about the worst excuse imaginable, all it takes is 30 minutes of research to find out what he's done. Their job is to find out who they're interviewing. Milo isn't even known for anything other than harassment, jesus christ.
Indeed, I fucking hate Milo with a passion, but I can see why he gets all these spots left and right.
He's gonna be in my town soon and I was thinking of protesting, but that'd just be what he wants, more attention :/
I feel like you're responding to the wrong person. I'm not part of whatever argument you're involved in, nor have I ever made claims about him being liberal. I suppose I did say that he's had many guests on his show, some of who are very liberal. Which was only to say that Milo being on the show doesn't make it a conservative show. Listen to ep 698 for example, to hear someone who is for legalizing all drugs without exception.
If you listen to the show regularly, I must admit some confusion. SJWs, vegans, and divorce stories come up because the first two are easy whipping boys for comedians (which, if you listen to other comedy shows that deal with current events, you should know), and the divorce stories come from multiple guests' horror stories he's heard on the podcast that obviously left an impression. Dave Foley's divorce horror story (among others) is pretty rough, and left an impression on me to, to be honest. Though my take-away was more about avoiding marriage than women being horrible or whatever. Rogan has had experiences hunting and being out in nature, a fascination with large, powerful animals, and a number of guests who are also into that. If you don't like him, don't like his humor, and you don't like the topics that Rogan defaults to in conversation, I question why you listen to the show.
This is the problem with clickbait titles, the thread started with such polarized language that any push-back must be called a defense. Goes back to what I said in my last post.
So what's your point? That I shouldn't call him an MRA? A boatload of his strong beliefs are right in line with what those winners are all about.
depths20XX
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These aren't very good examples.
Your first link shows that men make more overall but then doesn't really provide any reasons of why.
It's basically carried on through the other data but still fails to show any examples of men getting payed more for the exact same job title. The fact is that men simply don't get payed more for the same job. This certainly doesn't happen in the federal government and I couldn't see it happening in private industry either. Men and women on average handle their careers differently. No one is paying women less for the same exact job.
If I'm misunderstanding something here I'm open to hear it.
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