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[Lister]

https://youtu.be/eGw-qkXb6OM?t=64

I updated my post, straight from DF:

""Draw distances are also fleshed out with more in the way of foliage and geometric objects visible at range, whereas on PS4 and Xbox One the game's LOD system is slightly more aggressive in culling these details. This leads to slightly more in the way of pop-in, though this aspect of the game is improved over the original PC version. Furthermore, volumetric lighting is also given a slightly stronger implementation, which creates a little more bloom within light shafts over the PS4 and Xbox One versions.""

So no, the view distance isn't even up to par with the PC version, even before ugrids, which put it on another level.

EDIT: my bad, they are comparing the remasters, not the Vanilla PC version. You're right, without ugrids and foiliage ini tweaks the remaster is better on all platforms. When comapring remasters though, PC without tweaks is better.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I downloaded the ROTTR video from digitalfoundry, I really can't see a difference in resolution between Ps4 Pros 4k Checkerboard and the PCs native 4k.

 

[Z3M0G]

My head is spinning with the info in this video... :/

4K / HDR is complicated as fuck

Edit: OUCH at no improvements for standard PS4 games with unlocked framerates... :/

 

[Inuhanyou]

I take it the only native 4K games will be PS3 remasters and indies?

Less GPU reliant titles yes. The GPU in the console is still midrange after all in the broader PC components world.

 

[Karspankey]

I updated my post, straight from DF:

""Draw distances are also fleshed out with more in the way of foliage and geometric objects visible at range, whereas on PS4 and Xbox One the game's LOD system is slightly more aggressive in culling these details. This leads to slightly more in the way of pop-in, though this aspect of the game is improved over the original PC version. Furthermore, volumetric lighting is also given a slightly stronger implementation, which creates a little more bloom within light shafts over the PS4 and Xbox One versions.""

So no, the view distance isn't even up to par with the PC version, even before ugrids, which put it on another level.

You're right, I should have said draw distance. To me, they are almost interchangeable phrases, but they mean totally different things! I'll update my post.

 

[dark10x]

I downloaded the ROTTR video from digitalfoundry, I really can't see a difference in resolution between Ps4 Pros 4k Checkerboard and the PCs native 4k.

Exactly.

There is a difference but it's shockingly minimal in cases like ROTTR. It looks convincingly native.

 

[GinoFelino]

Less GPU reliant titles yes. The GPU in the console is still midrange after all in the broader PC components world.

Hey, so, you're not getting one? Did you change your mind or are you just really interested in new hardware?

 

[nelsonroyale]

https://youtu.be/eGw-qkXb6OM?t=64

It would be silly if it didnt look better. I played the game maxed out when it came out on system very much inferior to a PS4. Still, the remaster seems well behind what the game looks modded. That isn't surprising though, Bethesda really aren't graphical whizzes, despite their resources.

 

[platina]

Skyrim PS4 + Pro + 1080p

Do I get anything?

Ps4 vs pro

You get a sharp ass picture that's what.

 

[Lister]

You're right, I should have said draw distance. To me, they are almost interchangeable phrases, but they mean totally different things! I'll update my post.

No you were right. Check my edit

 

[Karspankey]

Exactly.

There is a difference but it's shockingly minimal in cases like ROTTR. It looks convincingly native.

The difference is a sort of slightly blurred image on the PS4 Pro, right? That's at least what I can tell. Probably isn't even noticeable at a proper viewing distance I'm guessing

No you were right. Check my edit

Ah, ok! I understand if there was confusion! Lots of terms being thrown around and multiple versions (and videos) of the game.

 

[onQ123]

I downloaded the ROTTR video from digitalfoundry, I really can't see a difference in resolution between Ps4 Pros 4k Checkerboard and the PCs native 4k.

Because there is not a difference in resolution they are both 2160P the difference is how they got to that resolution.

 

[Wonko_C]

Exactly.

There is a difference but it's shockingly minimal in cases like ROTTR. It looks convincingly native.

Since some games like Uncharted 4 run at 1440p (before upscaling to 4K or downsampling to 1080p)... What happens if I connect the PS4 Pro to a 1440p monitor? Can I set the Pro to display that resolution natively? Would the games even run at that resolution or just do the 1440p downsampled to 1080p thing?

 

[Latimer]

Because there is not difference in resolution they are both 2160P the difference is how they got to that resolution.

I love you.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

I'm hoping DF has some more articles and footage through out the day and in the days leading up to Thursday. Still a surprising number of unknown quantities.

EDIT: It would be cool if we could get a running tally of all the games that will receive super sampling for 1080p screens.I feel like there still isn't enough straight anwsers on the 1080 front.

 

[DieH@rd]

Does Uncharted 4 have any PS4 Pro enhancements for 1080p TV sets (e.g. supersampling)?

SP campaign on a Pro runs at 1440p, no framerate changes. 1080p TVs will get supersampled image [although IMO game looked really great even before Pro ]
MP on a Pro now runs at full 1080p60.


Cerny confirmed that ND is still working at their Pro tech, they will maybe later release some performance/rendering changes. I think this has to do with the work on the promise d U4 singleplayer DLC.

 

[mckmas8808]

Exactly.

There is a difference but it's shockingly minimal in cases like ROTTR. It looks convincingly native.

This is good to read.

 

[Hesemonni]

Exactly.

There is a difference but it's shockingly minimal in cases like ROTTR. It looks convincingly native.

Thank for the review, I can't but help to ask: SSD/HDD comparison incoming?

 

[Karspankey]

I'm hoping DF has some more articles and footage through out the day and in the days leading up to Thursday. Still a surprising number of unknown quantities.

EDIT: It would be cool if we could get a running tally of all the games that will receive super sampling for 1080p screens.I feel like there still isn't enough straight anwsers on the 1080 front.

Any game that has a Pro patch and renders above 1080p will be supersampled. And since the point of the Pro is 4K, your damn well guaranteed that 95% of those games will be rendering above 1080p.

 

[BSpot]

I need to see some Battlefield 1 Side-by-Sides like NOW.

 

[dark10x]

Thank for the review, I can't but help to ask: SSD/HDD comparison incoming?

It'll happen I'm sure. I think it's difficult right now since the Pro is needed for capture and we currently only have that one unit. Changing HDDs around and downloading the games again would limit access to it in a big way! Once we have spares I'm sure testing will happen!

 

[Inuhanyou]

Hey, so, you're not getting one? Did you change your mind or are you just really interested in new hardware?

I was never planning on getting one heh. I just like conversing about the newest technology and detailing the ins and outs. But of course, there's no reason for me to not go Pro if my launch PS4 dies though.

But i don't see that happening before the PS5 comes out, which i think will make Pro and PS4 irrelevant purchases after it launches.

 

[Old Gimlet Eyes]

I need to see some Battlefield 1 Side-by-Sides like NOW.

I hear that. The one game that is deciding my pro purchase and we don't have much info on it.

 

[Punkrockguy]

I need to see some Battlefield 1 Side-by-Sides like NOW.

I hope Battlefield 1 is updated soon! I can't wait to play this on my 4K tv!

 

[Hesemonni]

It'll happen I'm sure. I think it's difficult right now since the Pro is needed for capture and we currently only have that one unit. Changing HDDs around and downloading the games again would limit access to it in a big way! Once we have spares I'm sure testing will happen!

Ok. Just checking. There's a bunch of people desperately waiting for something to justify their SSD purchases in the other thread

 

[Latimer]

Ok. Just checking. There's a bunch of people desperately waiting for something to justify their SSD purchases in the other thread

Why on earth would they buy the SSD's before knowing the if there's a real advantage or not?

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

Exactly.

There is a difference but it's shockingly minimal in cases like ROTTR. It looks convincingly native.

One thing I noticed is the birds in the beginning, around the 10 seconds mark.
On Ps4 Pro they have kind of a dithered look in some frames.
Is that a result of the checkerboard rendering?

 

[HStallion]

Its probably be asked and answered already but has anyone tried putting an SSD into the Pro and seeing if it was a big upgrade for load times or not?

 

[Nevyr]

Why on earth would they buy the SSD's before knowing the if there's a real advantage or not?

Got money to burn?

I don't think there is any doubt that SSD will improve the experience, the question is how much and is the cost justified.

Just like on orig ps4 ( where it was not worth it imho )

 

[Latimer]

Got money to burn?

Seems smart.

 

[Hesemonni]

Why on earth would they buy the SSD's before knowing the if there's a real advantage or not?

YOLO!

 

[dark10x]

One thing I noticed is the birds in the beginning, around the 10 seconds mark.
On Ps4 Pro they have kind of a dithered look in some frames.
Is that a result of the checkerboard rendering?

Yep. That's exactly right.

You can see artefacts like that if you look closely. From what I've seen, these types of issues aren't a big deal when playing at a normal viewing distance.

 

[SumptuousLemur]

It'll happen I'm sure. I think it's difficult right now since the Pro is needed for capture and we currently only have that one unit. Changing HDDs around and downloading the games again would limit access to it in a big way! Once we have spares I'm sure testing will happen!

Can we expect more from DF this week in regards to PSVR? I know the small blurb/box said you had limited time, hopefully we see more leading up to Thursday?

Glad DF has a Patreon now, I always told myself if I could pay you all I would. Now I can!

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Any Battlefield 1 impressions yet? I'd like to know what res its running at.

 

[sajj316]

Yep. That's exactly right.

You can see artefacts like that if you look closely. From what I've seen, these types of issues aren't a big deal when playing at a normal viewing distance.

Awesome to read these impressions. Have my Pro on pre-order so I'm super excited. Only have a 1080p set but looking to invest into a 4K set sometime next year.

 

[Caayn]

Mhh, I kinda expected a decibel table to be included.

 

[Haines]

Any Battlefield 1 impressions yet? I'd like to know what res its running at.

Hard to do if bf1 doesn't have a patch yet.

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

EA too busy spewing out a Mass Effect trailer to care about BF1 on Pro :'(

 

[dark10x]

Can we expect more from DF this week in regards to PSVR? I know the small blurb/box said you had limited time, hopefully we see more leading up to Thursday?

Glad DF has a Patreon now, I always told myself if I could pay you all I would. Now I can!

Hugely appreciated!

We'll definitely tackle PSVR going forward and, if all goes well, I should be able to get a Pro tomorrow as well which will massively improve efficiency since I can start producing videos too.

First game I'm going to tackle is Tomb Raider just because I've covered it on all platforms already and really want to look at the three modes. Then perhaps stuff like REZ, Knack and whatever else sounds cool.

The others will be cranking away on more videos as well!

Any Battlefield 1 impressions yet? I'd like to know what res its running at.

Yeah, as others noted, there isn't a patch for it yet.

 

[Kyoufu]

Yeah, as others noted, there isn't a patch for it yet.

But... Gamespot... lol

 

[Disktrasa]

Omg, the hype train is real, going to cryosleep now...

 

[jeffc919]

I need to see some Battlefield 1 Side-by-Sides like NOW.

More importantly (to me) I want to see some frame rate comparisons. Unless I get some info soon I guess my PS4 Pro is staying in the box on Thursday. I'm really only buying it for a better BF1 experience and if for some reason the difference is minimal I'll probably return the Pro.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

More importantly (to me) I want to see some frame rate comparisons. Unless I get some info soon I guess my PS4 Pro is staying in the box on Thursday. I'm really only buying it for a better BF1 experience and if for some reason the difference is minimal I'll probably return the Pro.

To each their own, but you're really only buying the Pro for (hopefully) a better gaming experience on one game?

 

[mrklaw]

Exactly.

There is a difference but it's shockingly minimal in cases like ROTTR. It looks convincingly native.

It'd be neat if some PC games used the same techniques to let lower powered GPUs hit 4K. I suppose the reality of PC gaming will make that impractical

 

[Galafar]

Even though I don't have a 4K TV and I likely won't have one for a long time I am still going to be getting this not only for the future proofing but I haven't got myself a PS4 yet so I see no reason not to spend the extra money for better graphics and framerate. This was a thorough review. Great job, Digital Foundry.

 

[chromatic9]

Looks like quite a big difference on my end. Maybe I'm used to looking at 1440 1620 1800 2160p images.

 

[Broadbandito]

But... Gamespot... lol

there is one other video sporting bf 1 pro video too. Wtf?

 

[Karspankey]

But... Gamespot... lol

If GameSpot just put up a video of the normal PS4 version of BF1 running on the Pro... then wow.

 

[jeffc919]

To each their own, but you're really only buying the Pro for (hopefully) a better gaming experience on one game?

I'll enjoy the better visuals and performance in Titanfall 2 but that game seems to perform (frame rate) just fine on the base PS4 so that's more icing on the cake. I consider the Pro somewhat of a stopgap since I expect I'll end up getting the Scorpio eventually and shifting to that for most/all of my multiplat games, and in the next 12 months I expect most of my time to be on BF1 and TF2, so yes I'm mostly upgrading for BF1, and mostly hoping that the poor frame rate performance will be greatly improved. If that's not the case then skipping the Pro and waiting for Scorpio starts looking like a better option.

 

[Checkerboard Render]

Its probably be asked and answered already but has anyone tried putting an SSD into the Pro and seeing if it was a big upgrade for load times or not?

Oh Gaf