exmachina64
Banned
It was an OMGUS vote, but I can see why you'd need to deflect suspicion from yourself.
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Persona Mafia |OT| Memento Mori
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It was an OMGUS vote, but I can see why you'd need to deflect suspicion from yourself.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Why can't you help it?
So besides my personal biased pick of Rynam, 3 players have stood out due to suspicious behavior.
Style
StarSketch
Exmachina
I'm going to ignore StarSketch solely on the basis of the post being pre game start. It could be a townie tell, or a scum/neutral mascarading as a townie by making their role PM sound lighthearted. I'll just chose to ignore it based on principle alone.
Style and exmachina are both reacting solely to Sorian, which I would expect from new players, but not from experienced players. Exmachina isn't overly sefensive, so I'll give him a pass. Style on the other hand was very reactionary and defensive. It implies he has something to lose...so I would lean scum or power role.
Style
StarSketch
Exmachina
I'm going to ignore StarSketch solely on the basis of the post being pre game start. It could be a townie tell, or a scum/neutral mascarading as a townie by making their role PM sound lighthearted. I'll just chose to ignore it based on principle alone.
Style and exmachina are both reacting solely to Sorian, which I would expect from new players, but not from experienced players. Exmachina isn't overly sefensive, so I'll give him a pass. Style on the other hand was very reactionary and defensive. It implies he has something to lose...so I would lean scum or power role.
On the other hand, this seems overly defensive.
I'm not really good in expressing myself, especially in english.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
It made me chuckle, but I was thinking the same thing.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
I have the same issue, but i think the game would be a lot more fun for yourself and us if you actively engage, don't worry about some small errors you might make.
Don't worry about it, Pop-mafia doesn't even post in english. Just relax and have fun, post whoever seems to be suspicious or what your thoughts are.
There still seems to be quite a few people that aren't sharing opinions. Try and get something out there. Better to think out loud with everyone than to just not talk.
Interesting you would say that when you havent contributed at all yet.
Vote: BlackBuzzard
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Hmmmm...that's a good point.
At the same time, the fact that you're so quick to then point the finger at him is odd too.
Hmmmm...
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
By "point the finger," I mean vote, not just accuse.
Although you may just be applying pressure.
Hmmmmm...
Although you may just be applying pressure.
Hmmmmm...
No point in withholding one's vote if one feels moderately strongly about a stance. It's not like you can't change it.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Yeah sorry about that, work is hectic. I hope to be more active tomorrow.
Styles to me seems the most suspicious something irks me about his line of gaining trust back from Sorian, it could be that he is scum or he is just an old kiss ass.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
So is the general thinking that a mafia member is less likely to talk because of fears they'd incriminate themselves?
Not necessarily, because it's not like scum aren't aware that people would try to look out for this. There's also the fact to always keep in mind that they have their own private chat where they're always in communication with each other, which can mean a lot of things.
What do you think of Sorian?
I think Sorian wouod be a dangerous scum because he's shown he can take the reins and people will follow his lead. That doesn't make him scum, but it does make him a serious threat if he is.
My biggest issue with Sorian right now is his reasoning behind seeing an RNG vote as a town read after his post. It just seems to me that he's formed a conclusion and is making the evidence fit his conclusion rather than the other way around. Seems somewhat manipulative.
Coasting until endgame is a well used scum tactic because town is quick to lay fires to houses they've already built. However, there's a fine line between being inactive and just not paying attention, which some town do. I'd rather place stock on people who don't interact with certain others, don't keep a vote on them unless it's sure that person will be lynched and often act weird when discussion arises with lynch targets.
Well, yeah, Sorian is good at influencing town opinion but it's not as if town is a monolith. If he influences us toward a bad end once, suspicion would form and then twice, he'd be most likely to get lynched. There are always two sides to having an advantage.
As for his RNG statement, I personally see someone who wings off an RNG vote as a null read, but if that's all they contribute day 1 then they're suspicious as hell. I'll need to go back and check on his exact posts, but did he say RNG was a town read?
I was going to say this was a silly argument since we were less than 24 hours in at the time of the post but Rynam then came in and agreed so fair play, quoted him in this block too, will take more under his post.
As Flux said, where do you get the idea of a power role? And what an odd conclusion to jump too immediately anyway. The real thing to wonder here is if Style is still in the new phase where he cares more about personally playing than finding scum since that is a rookie ideaology that people, regardless of alignment, can fall into. Style isn't completely new though and I don't remember his last game but he should have known already that this style (lol) of play doesn't really cut it in Gafia.
No one has any idea who is scum except for scum. It's all guesswork right now. All you're seeing is confidence/bluster or just straight lies from myself and others on the topic. Your job with people like myself and others is to gauge whether we're making up stories or actually believe the things we are pointing out. That said, yes, there comes a level of familiarity when you've played enough both with how specific people act and just the general flow of what scum and town do in certain situations under normal circumstances.
Sooooo, you're purposely being silent then and Exodus called it?
Just because Vanguard is suspicious doesn't mean you can't answer for your weird behavior. Same that you can't just keep self identifying your vote on me as OMGUS just because I showed you the phrase. It's a scummy thing to do to vote like that and looks even worse that you straight followed it through to a T and dropped right off of me when I dropped off of you. Your game so far has been all defense.
Calling your Rynam vote a biased pick is really weird wording. It sounds more like personal motivation than an actual worrying conclusion that you came too.
I do agree with this sentiment though.
Depends. I don't when I'm scum, for example, I had the most posts (or close to it) in a game we did here and I was scum. Some people are just more comfortable being evil directly in the spotlight. Vice-versa, we've had scum win just because they did an excellent job of being a wall flower and only speaking when needing too.
I have formed/jumped to a conclusion on Plop based on his RNG vote right after I said RNG votes are super suspicious. My goal early on is always to make a shorter list of suspects even if I give temporary town reads to someone so that I can think less about them for now. Giving him his pass today doesn't stop me from adding him back in later if he is still alive and the field is narrowed but, for today, that play is just not consistent with how a new scum would act and (though it could be all a con) Plop is the "new player" in every stereotype possible. I've already said that I am aware that a veteran scum could be coaching him to play this way and I'm also aware that Plop is certainly pushing that newbie angle hard since I've given him his pass but assuming that scum is running all of their posts past each other is silly and the second point is conspiracy levels at best, something I'll tend to re-look at on day 3 or 4 if I'm still here.
So, essentially, only new info I got since last time I've been here is that BlackBuzzard and Rynam both did not impress with their entries and actually self-incriminated more than anything and Exodus seems very agenda driven. I'd vote for Exodus out of the three in all honesty. I'm staying on Vanguard though, I feel like he is deflecting with his last post and laying low in general hoping an early day 1 reads blows over.
exmachina64
Banned
Can some clarify if there are power roles?
This is the longest I've lasted in a game of Mafia.
This is the longest I've lasted in a game of Mafia.
There are definitely power roles, this isn't a total vanilla game (and the only one Gafia had actually did have a PR in Heist) and its complexity level was rated medium.
Back from work. Some thoughts:
So I ask for some clarification and your answer is lol? OK.
Maybe I didn't understand the point (I still don't) and how it was related to me, but I wanted him to talk. It was his second post, it could gave me some reads on him. But he gave none after that, only fluff. And if I came too strong I'm sorry.
It's normal during the first couple of days to be like that. After a couple of days we will have more info based on voting patterns, posts and maybe some power role. But still day 1 it's important to get that info latter.
I also have problem expressing myself in english but to really enjoy the game just post your thoughts here the best way you can and don't mind if they have grammatical errors or sound weird. We will try to understand them or ask.
That vote was mostly to make him participate in the game (I think). We need to read what he thinks of the game to make reads ourself.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the first time Plop is playing here but he had already played the game in another forum or live. Doesn't look like that but there is a possibility. That's why I'm not to fond of the idea to give newbies a break the first days.
So I ask for some clarification and your answer is lol? OK.
Maybe I didn't understand the point (I still don't) and how it was related to me, but I wanted him to talk. It was his second post, it could gave me some reads on him. But he gave none after that, only fluff. And if I came too strong I'm sorry.
It's normal during the first couple of days to be like that. After a couple of days we will have more info based on voting patterns, posts and maybe some power role. But still day 1 it's important to get that info latter.
I also have problem expressing myself in english but to really enjoy the game just post your thoughts here the best way you can and don't mind if they have grammatical errors or sound weird. We will try to understand them or ask.
That vote was mostly to make him participate in the game (I think). We need to read what he thinks of the game to make reads ourself.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the first time Plop is playing here but he had already played the game in another forum or live. Doesn't look like that but there is a possibility. That's why I'm not to fond of the idea to give newbies a break the first days.
exmachina64
Banned
So in medium I should expect at least one PR, but multiple in a game rated hard?
We're reaching that lovely loop of the active players pointing at each other and speculating about each other, where the less active ones are coasting the most since it's D1. I swear I'm very likely to go for an inactive player lynch whose only posts were alarming when it comes down to it.
No, in this game you should expect multiple power roles. Standard mafia has multiple power roles.
What's the point of that question? Are you looking for a roleclaim? Please don't.
Why would you jump to the conclusion that that question is him thinking about role claiming?
I consider it a biased pick because it's based on my previous games with him and not solely on what we've seen this game.
exmachina64
Banned
I'm not jumping to that conclusion. I'm asking him to not go that route. That discussions will not gain us nothing.
This is the type of post I'm very wary about with regards to new players. This reads like someone feigning ignorance to breadcrumb regular townie.
But "role claiming" didn't even come across me at all for what seemingly appeared to be a straightforward, simple question. If he's asking if there are even power roles in this game, then you would then proceed to imply out loud that he might have a power role and that he's thinking of claiming it?
Visions of PR fishing.
Ok, let's try to avoid that topic. It's not yours first game, you should be aware of that.
I do agree with this, though. Newbie ignorance doesn't work for me. That goes for plop's posts, too.
I don't think he night claim but I also don't want anyone to give hints that they have one. Even more the newbies.
I think we should not discuss roles for the first couple of phases.
Why are you asking that question? What interest do you have in power roles?
That's fine, I'm not telling you to give him a pass. I'm telling you that I town read him for it currently and that's that. You've pointed out that you think my logic is inconsistent but it's really not, it's just not consistent with how you play the game.
I don't think it's him thinking about role claiming, I think it's him trying to trick someone else into softing their role.
exmachina isn't new if we are being technical though I don't think he made it very far in his other games if I read that right.
Possibly, but that'd be way too obvious a trap for anyone to fall into and post a reply implying as such. Well, presumably.
Though newbie ignorance doesn't work for you, it is still a real thing. The trap was blatant so it could have just been an honest question and no trap at all but the ramification is still there.
Not really, there's a myriad of things you can take away from an answer to that question, and it left me uneasy regardless, especially if a newbie popped in with, 'oh is XX a powerrole'.
Good point. I may have been following him a taaad too blindly. Bad move in hindsight.
Ass kissing tbh. First intuition was to follow someone who's good at finding scum and follow them. Should probably hold back the parroting.
I have played one game before and it got interrupted and ended by the game masters on the second day I believe.
As for my own readings on suspects:
II-Vanguard-II
Sorian
franconp
Because they are still keeping the RNG circus going at this point. I see it as derailing fluff. Also Sorian was quick to express he didn't like me stacking on his vote on Vanguard, but seemed happy with the backfire horde on me (he haven't actually thrown his vote on me himself though, maybe to keep his hands clean?).
Other than that, I'm still blank as ever.
II-Vanguard-II
Sorian
franconp
Because they are still keeping the RNG circus going at this point. I see it as derailing fluff. Also Sorian was quick to express he didn't like me stacking on his vote on Vanguard, but seemed happy with the backfire horde on me (he haven't actually thrown his vote on me himself though, maybe to keep his hands clean?).
Other than that, I'm still blank as ever.
You played werewolf 1 but not 2? Weird.
I'd feel bad about keeping the circus going but considering how little is happening, I can't really say that I do. Make no mistake, I only haven't voted for you because 4 votes on you this early is already more than enough and I'm not leaving Vanguard alone yet. Going from blindly following me to putting me in your top 3 suspects just further looks like you trying to appeal to masses if I'm being completely honest.
I followed you blindly way before the reasons for my turnaround on you happened. I'm not allowed to take in new information and change readings on someone without being a populist?
From my perspective, the reason for your turnaround is because you got hit with a shitstorm over directly saying you were going to follow me because I seem to know what I'm doing. I'd have accepted your RNG reasoning if it made sense except putting fran and I together on it doesn't make a lot of sense considering we've mostly dropped the RNG thing and more moved on to what Plop's play signifies. Past that though, calling out one of the few things we have going on today as useless conversation is a scummier tactic than anything since it'll make other uncomfortable on broaching the topic again.
StarSketch
Banned
Reading and thinking. Been a bit busy today.
I agree with the statement that Exmachina sounded like he was baiting for roles, or could just be legit confused. Who knows at this point. As for the Style situation, I know newbies can be scum but I've also made enough mistakes with doing things that ended up looking scummy early on, while being town.
Mafia probably isn't the place for sympathy though.