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DF: Dishonored 2: PS4/Pro/Xbox One/PC Graphics Comparison + Analysis
- Thread starter GinoFelino
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CrichtonKicks
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Pro is an all all around improvement from base PS4 for everybody because of the improved framerate.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Go into any Pro discussion thread and you will see shitposts like "the pro is a joke" on the front page.
It's not the hardware. Maybe Sony didn't give devs enough time for these early patches & we are still in the launch period but posts like "the pro is a joke" entirely misplace blame.
Barrow Roll
Member
I hope DF hasn't abandoned doing performance analysis for mid-range PC GPUs. I get that PS4 Pro is the new hotness so most of their coverage have been centered on it lately, but I really appreciated getting a sense of how my GPU would run a game based on their tests.
Liabe Brave
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I think this summary doesn't adequately express the differences between versions. Shin-Ra's resolution numbers help, but since he didn't mention framerate that goes by the way. And you don't even mention what's improved on PC. A more accurate brief of what's said in the video is:
Overall: Xbox One and PS4 both have dynamic resolution, but the highest res on Xbox One (which it often drops from) is still lower than the lowest res on PS4 (which it rarely drops to). Framerate on both machines struggles in opening cutscenes and in battle, with Xbox One consistently worse. PS4 Pro locks gameplay to 30fps (though it still dips in the first cutscene). On 4K displays it also runs in higher resolution, but there's a bug right now where downsampling to 1080p displays isn't working. PC is best, with better shadows and AO, plus improved textures in cutscenes. However, it is not well optimized and even elite GPUs fail to lock 60fps at Ultra settings.
Modified idtech 5 was what they said before. It always seems to have performance issues when modified like with Evil Within.
CitizenCope
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Jesus all these numbers in the OP. I understand 1080p and 4K. Im a console gamer not a mathamagician. Times have changed.
Liabe Brave
Member
If you don't like the numbers, try this...
Very Absolute Worst: PC (bad one)
Worst: Xbox One, PC
Better: PS4, PC
Best: PS4 Pro, PC
Most Bestest: PC (good one)
Timing, look at the doom beta, it runs poorly until the final game hit.
icecold1983
Member
this is the first time its not IIRC
Sad Affleck
Member
It's an early fork of id Tech 6, not the same id Tech 6 that Doom uses. Since id Tech 6 is a modified id Tech 5 and Dishonored 2 presumably entered development soon after the release of the original (early 2013 at the latest), the id Tech 6 that formed the basis of the Void Engine would have been more 5 than the 6 that we know. What I'm getting at is that the distinction, in this case, is rather meaningless.
Bankai
Member
The power of the mind..!
aka: placebo-effect in action!
DF states that there's NO supersampling on a 1080p HDTV at this moment in Dishonored 2; strangely enough the game only supersamples when outputting a 1080p image on a 4k Tv.. which must be a bug - because who would want to do that?
GinoFelino
Member
Way to go! Here's a cookie. I've added some info here and there.
Anyway, there's a huge Dishonored 2 thread since launch specifically about PC performance, so I figured anyone interested in D2 PC would've gotten more detailed information there already.
By the way, making these threads it's impossible to catch everything the first time around, so I was mostly just adding info as it came in.
GinoFelino
Member
I really doubt they don't, but they definitely will after the release of this video.
You could tweet Harvey Smith about it..? Be nice!
Yes, I agree. Downsampling for this game works only if 4k is forced as output, and PRO is connected with a 1080p TV.
This is impossible, because 4k option is greyed in the PRO output video settings.
Developers ignored this thing.
Sony should add a supersampling option, because the Dishonored scenario could be a dangerous precedent.
Done!
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
X1 version is pretty poor technically, but the art style manages to shine through. Still crazy it looks how it does, at a low resolution, and drops frames. Poorly optimized IMO.
GinoFelino
Member
Sweet. Keep us posted.
Agreed. This bug shouldn't have gotten past QA, both at Bethesda and at Sony.
I agree with you on that, blaming the Pro for bad performance is like blaming the Pc for shitty ports.
Then again for every post saying Pro is shit or "all" Pro games are borked there are, literally, ten replies from sony faithfull disallowing the concerns and trying to hide the dirt under the rug.
Drive-bys are annoying but I absolutely despise defense forces and denial.
Brad Grenz
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Those ten posts are usually disputing the misinformation from the shitposters.
GinoFelino
Member
The OP has been updated with a link to the written analysis, and the written article's conclusion.
I linked the Digital Foundry video and this thread to him. There are new tweets from him but he didn't answer on this issue.
Not very encouraging, because he usually answers to everybody about game glitch or problems.
I could try with the Bethesda Support twitter account.. but I'm now a bit pessimistic.
Hank Scorpio
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No mention of the visual bugs I've seen on base PS4 and others on PS4 Pro too?
That white shimmering on textures - particularly noticeable on roof/walls and dark environments. Textures 'popping'/loading in from white when moving the camera around quickly. I'd take them being fixed over FPS at this stage.
That white shimmering on textures - particularly noticeable on roof/walls and dark environments. Textures 'popping'/loading in from white when moving the camera around quickly. I'd take them being fixed over FPS at this stage.
GinoFelino
Member
Hmmm.
Well, I assume he'd look into the issue before answering your question. Might suggest they haven't found the cause of the issue or didn't hear about it until now.
Haven't had that on Pro so far. DF didn't either, apparently.
Coreda
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What wasn't mentioned in the video, a little surprisingly given the Doom reference in the analysis, is that the Void engine in DH2 is based on id Tech 5 not the latest id Tech 6 which Doom was made with. It's been blamed for a number of the issues present here.
Dictator93
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Yeah. Everything about these problems scream idtech 5 IMO.
For example. This game uses a lot of screen space effects right? Base idtech 5 is very traditionally forward rendered, and to get any screen space effects it has to add on a fat g-buffer - that would be expensive on top of everything else. This is quite unlike idtech 6 which uses screen space effects in spades and has a very very modern forward renderer.
IDK, a shot in the dark. But idtech5 was not built to scale in effects, lighting complexity, etc. beyond what you saw in the xbox360 version of RAGE honestly. They scaled it too much around that hardware so tacking on those things ramps up the cost more than it would in other more-forward-thinking engines.
I would love to renderdoc this game to see what it is doing.
Big Green Anus
Member
Well, that's disappointing. Sounds like this game needed a delay
Regginator
Member
As a non-technical guy, how difficult would it be, if even possible, to port Dishonored 2 from id5/Void to id6?
Son of Flounder
Member
I'm starting to think that some of the major issues with the engine are possibly due to changes they made to support Mission 7 - Stilton's Mansion. The fact it is fully rendering two scenes simultaneously for the entirety of the mission
, it makes me wonder why performance is worse in other parts of the game that seem to be less taxing.
Also, this is the first game I've seen this generation that has so many problems with texture seam flickering, I thought those type of issues were eliminated years ago. Considering id Tech's focus on megatexures, seems like this has been dropped for D2?
(the past and present)
Also, this is the first game I've seen this generation that has so many problems with texture seam flickering, I thought those type of issues were eliminated years ago. Considering id Tech's focus on megatexures, seems like this has been dropped for D2?
FairXchange
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It's also funny because I have Dishonered 2 for PC and Pro, and am playing on the console because despite the patches on PC the better experience is on console for me at the moment. I have a high end system and the game isn't at an acceptable state right now on PC, yet people don't blame PC, they rightly blame the devs. Yet problems with a Pro port people want to point to the hardware as the problem. I'm playing Titanfall 2 on the Pro and it looks and plays amazingly, so it's a great indication of what the console is capable of.
Yeah it's a really shitty situation there for XBO owners performance wise, hopefully it'll be all fixed and patched up by the time it goes on sale.
If not I suppose a Scorpio version will be ideal provided all versions are improved by then.
OMG!
What a great video, kudos for that guy...very deep comparison between both systems, never thought a PC with that hardware is capable to run CoD IW with some better results than PS4Pro knowing that it's a bad pc port.
Can you post your high-end system? I really dont believe Pro is having a better performance than a high-end system.
It's not a bad port. There are hiccups with certain system configurations, true, but it performs well:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yep, aside from that 1080p TV bug, the game is an improvement in every way, resolution, performance, screen tearing etc on the Pro.
The game still has a bunch of bugs .. that's despite the point though and not something that can be blamed on specs.
Liabe Brave
Member
Actually, PS4 Pro runs Infinite Warfare better at high resolution then his PC. Only if you restrict to 1080p is the Potato Masher Pro superior.
Equanimity
Member
When does the new patch come out?