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PAL Charts - Week 46, 2016

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cleveridea

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Wow watchdogs 2 cant beat an under performing out-for-weeks COD

Impressions seem pretty positive on the OT for it. (I am getting PC version which was delayed)
 
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Hammer24

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Bruno MB said:
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    Week               Title              Weekly Sales   Cumulative Sales                Title              Weekly Sales   Cumulative Sales    Difference
     1             Battlefield 1             259,000          259,000         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfa     328,000          328,000          -69,000
     2             Battlefield 1             158,000          417,000         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfa     147,600          475,600          -58,600
     3             Battlefield 1             86,900           503,900         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfa     79,700           555,300          -51,400
     4             Battlefield 1             53,000           556,900
     5             Battlefield 1             50,400           607,300

    LTD            Battlefield 1                              607,300         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare                    555,300          52,000
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Thank you!
 
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AnthonypUK

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T-0800 said:
Makes it hard to draw too many conclusions then really as we all know that digital sales are growing.
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Do we really need to talk about digital sales in UK, again?

until digital prices in the UK get even close to parity with retail prices, "digital sales" is a bad excuse for an under performing game, especially one that under performs by 80%
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

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[B]November, 2016[/B]

Week 44, 2016 - 844,523 units ([B]+17.83%[/B]) / £39m ([B]+48.85%[/B]) [Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare]
Week 45, 2016 - 651,196 units (-46.46%) / £25m (-49.29%) [Dishonored 2]
Week 46, 2016 - 688,244 units (-51.87%) / £24m (-56.04%) [Watch Dogs 2]
Week 47, 2016 - [Black Friday and Pokémon Sun / Moon]

Total - 2,183,963 units (-35.06%) / £88m (-32.36%)

[B]November, 2015[/B]

Week 44, 2015 - 716,741 units / £26.2m [Halo 5: Guardians]
Week 45, 2015 - 1,216,280 units / £49.3m [Call of Duty: Black Ops III]
Week 46, 2015 - 1,430,108 units / £54.6m [Fallout 4]
Week 47, 2015 - 1,111,438 units / £42.4m [Star Wars Battlefront]

MCV said:
'Black Friday is the worst thing to happen to retail'

The Black Friday sales event has had a deeply negative effect on games retail.

That’s according to sources speaking to MCV, who say that the period is ‘the worst thing’ to happen to shops.

Retailers say that Black Friday is a major factor in the UK software market being down, with the sales event being detrimental to sales of new releases. This is due to consumers holding off spending until Black Friday. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Watch Dogs 2 and Titanfall 2 have been among the games that have underperformed in their first weeks on shelves.

One source goes as far as to say that publishers may think again about launching new games during this period. But apparently even the massive discounts at retail seen during Black Friday won’t help the market.

“The market cannot turn around now. Pre-orders and the first couple of weeks sales are enormously important to both publishers and retailers but there has been some appalling results this year due to Black Friday, and customers waiting to see if the games are broken or if the scores are decent,” said one retail source.

“It’s hard to see why publishers would release games in November going forward. Black Friday is the worst thing to happen to UK retail.”

Another retail source added: “Judging by the drop off we have seen in trade in the run up to Black Friday, I suspect customers have held off on key purchases. This should make the event itself larger than 2015, but I’m not convinced that the month as a whole will benefit. The following weeks were slightly subdued as consumers had no doubt spent much of their disposable income.“

Though they admit a lot depends on the sales event, one retail source says that the market needs strong releases at the start of 2017.

“There is a lot riding on Black Friday – we are about to see how much pent up console demand there is,” they told MCV.

“More fundamentally we need some exciting games early in 2017 for Xbox One and PS4. Especially something new and fresh. There is a bit of franchise fatigue at the moment outside of FIFA.”
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GfK director Paul Simpson said:
The VR units of the former are more expensive (£550-plus vs c. £350) and require a relatively high performance PC. PlayStation VR also benefits from a large installed base of PS4 owners – more than 3.5m in the UK
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Acquiescence

Acquiescence

Member
Bruno MB said:
Code: 
    Week               Title              Weekly Sales   Cumulative Sales                Title              Weekly Sales   Cumulative Sales    Difference
     1             Battlefield 1             259,000          259,000         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfa     328,000          328,000          -69,000
     2             Battlefield 1             158,000          417,000         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfa     147,600          475,600          -58,600
     3             Battlefield 1             86,900           503,900         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfa     79,700           555,300          -51,400
     4             Battlefield 1             53,000           556,900
     5             Battlefield 1             50,400           607,300

    LTD            Battlefield 1                              607,300         Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare                    555,300          52,000
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It seems like releasing your game in November this year means that it automatically takes a hit commercially. I wonder if FFXV can buck the trend.

Edit - Welp, the above post certainly sheds a lot of light on matters.
 
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OléGunner

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Thanks for the quotes from MCV Bruno.

Black Friday growing in significance in the UK the last 5 years was always surely going to have this effect in hind sight, especially as there are more price conscious consumers facing wage stagnation for a long while.

Interesting that November launches are suggested to be dropped by publishers, but I still think high quality games can do well during the Xmas period. Some releases this year were just too tight at the end of Oct and early Nov. Maybe early December and January releases should be pursued more like Dying Light even though the latter especially is when retailers have end of year financials and prefer to have as little stock as possible.

What's not in doubt is that franchise fatigue is too real. This holiday has been full of sequels that don't interest the public. One only has to look at NMS immense UK launch to see that consumers are starving for something bold and fresh.

A couple new titles early next year like Horizon ZD and RE7 (substantial formula switch) will hopefully reignite some consumer interest in new software.
 
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Triggerhappytel

Member
T-0800 said:
Makes it hard to draw too many conclusions then really as we all know that digital sales are growing.
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We can draw plenty of conclusions from a game which drops 75% in retail sales 2.5 years after its predecessor. There is no way that digital sales would make up that deficit, plus digital sales while obviously nowhere near as big were still a factor in 2014 so we don't get a complete picture from either side.

MCV said:
'Black Friday is the worst thing to happen to retail'
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The thing is, regardless of Black Friday we're still seeing a trend of big sequels down on their predecessors, such as Deus Ex and Gears of War. While Black Friday may have a slight impact there's got to be more to it than that.
 
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chromatic9

Member
Have people seen any good deals, even just gaming deals during Black Friday in the UK? Any time I have a look everything looks to be normal price or very close to it. I'm talking the well known retailers. I'm looking at Tesco Black Friday page and you have an old Xbox One for £200. I've seen it lower a thousand times in the last 3-4 months. £150 would strike me as a deal worthy of the Black Friday name.
 
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Triggerhappytel

Member
chromatic9 said:
Have people seen any good deals, even just gaming deals during Black Friday in the UK? Any time I have a look everything looks to be normal price or very close to it.
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The only genuinely good deals I've seen are Titanfall 2 for £20 in HMV (sadly I already bought the game), Tearaway Unfolded for under £5 and God of War 3 Remastered for £6.50, both on PSN.
 
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OléGunner

Member
AnthonypUK said:
Do we really need to talk about digital sales in UK, again? Until digital prices in the UK get even close to parity with retail prices, "digital sales" is a bad excuse for an under performing game, especially one that under performs by 80%
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Triggerhappytel said:
We can draw plenty of conclusions from a game which drops 75% in retail sales 2.5 years after its predecessor. There is no way that digital sales would make up that deficit, plus digital sales while obviously nowhere near as big were still a factor in 2014 so we don't get a complete picture from either side.
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Shhhh let them dream..

chromatic9 said:
Have people seen any good deals, even just gaming deals during Black Friday in the UK? Any time I have a look everything looks to be normal price or very close to it.
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I haven't seen anything too crazy poking around online.
Amazon UK BF deals are not enticing all that much

Best stuff I've seen is TF2 for 20 quid at HMV but I barely visit stores so can't speak as to how widespread such deals are.
Edit: Trigger Happy beat me to it.
 
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chromatic9

Member
Triggerhappytel said:
The only genuinely good deals I've seen are Titanfall 2 for £20 in HMV (sadly I already bought the game), Tearaway Unfolded for under £5 and God of War 3 Remastered for £6.50, both on PSN.
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Tesco have the Xbox One S with Fifa for £285 was £300 but 2-3 weeks ago we had XBO S with COD and FIFA for £250 and many more deals like that. Makes these Black Friday deals look silly.
 
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Mokubba

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One source goes as far as to say that publishers may think again about launching new games during this period.
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It’s hard to see why publishers would release games in November going forward. Black Friday is the worst thing to happen to UK retail.
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Sony Vindicated
 
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Triggerhappytel

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Mokubba said:
Sony Vindicated
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The only people who complain about Sony having nothing for the pre-Christmas period seem to be people who've bought into the 'rest of the year is pre-Season' bullshit mindset peddled by the Xbox executives.

As a consumer why in the fuck would I want 2/3 of the year's biggest releases in a 2-3 month window?! It makes no sense at all.
 
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LastMinuteHero

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Mokubba said:
Sony Vindicated
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Triggerhappytel said:
The only people who complain about Sony having nothing for the pre-Christmas period seem to be people who've bought into the 'rest of the year is pre-Season' bullshit mindset peddled by the Xbox executives.

As a consumer why in the fuck would I want 2/3 of the year's biggest releases in a 2-3 month window?! It makes no sense at all.
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Yup the only Fall games count rhetoric should die a horrible death imo. I'd rather publisher space out their games than have my wallet take a massive hit during the holidays.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
In the end Nintendo with just Pokémon and NES Classic Edition will be one of the winners of these rough last months of the year.

Pokémon Sun / Moon is also released during Black Friday so I expect it to shatter by a wide margin launch week sales record for the franchise.
 
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Nightengale

Member
If you have to bring up the "digital sales" argument, especially for a game that is a sequel to a new IP that was successful, you've already lost.

For a large majority of games, the inability to build on the foundation of your first game to make it more successful with a larger install base and grow BOTH retail and digital simultaneously means the game is already pretty much underperforming.
 
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chromatic9

Member
Titanfall 2 could've done better in March.

Battlefield took a while to be the sales juggernaut it is today. Titanfall after one game wasn't ready to go up against COD BF. Seems they relied on the crazy hype of the run up to the first game where it was Destiny and Titanfall with TF being talked about the most, it was unique series of events before the PS4/XBO launched. TF2 was a stealth release along side going up against COD BF, just a massacre really.
 
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Triggerhappytel

Member
chromatic9 said:
Titanfall 2 could've done better in March.

Battlefield took a while to be the sales juggernaut it is today. Titanfall after one game wasn't ready to go up against COD BF. Seems they relied on the crazy hype of the run up to the first game where it was Density and Titanfall with TF being talked about the most, it was unique series of events before the PS4/XBO launched. TF2 was a stealth release along side going up against COD BF, just a massacre really.
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Titanfall 2 would have done better at any other time of the year when it wasn't sandwiched between the two biggest FPS franchises on the market. How they thought this was a good release window is still fucking baffling.
 
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Nightengale

Member
Triggerhappytel said:
Titanfall 2 would have done better at any other time of the year when it wasn't sandwiched between the two biggest FPS franchises on the market. How they thought this was a good release window is still fucking baffling.
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For both Ubisoft & EA, I think they both assumed that the success of their first game were entirely on their own merits ( both quality and marketing ) and that there were no "overhype" factor involved in their respective success.
 
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Hasney

Member
Nightengale said:
If you have to bring up the "digital sales" argument, especially for a game that is a sequel to a new IP that was successful, you've already lost.

For a large majority of games, the inability to build on the foundation of your first game to make it more successful with a larger install base and grow BOTH retail and digital simultaneously means the game is already pretty much underperforming.
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Well, there is an argument that digital is growing faster than retail, but I would say that:

  1. It's doubtful UK or Europe as a whole are growing as much as the US due to the difference in price between digital and retail
  2. Even applying the 30% average doesn't make up the difference for most of these titles

It's a shame that Watch Dogs 1 was gutter trash and Titanfall lacked content despite being great. WD2 and TF2 are easily a couple of my favorite games of the year. WD2 being a very special turn around as it went from having the worst characters in gaming to some of the best. Josh, Marcus & Horatio are fantastically written.
 
Welfare

Welfare

Member
+3.5m PS4's at this point kind of shows that this year had been slow for console sales. They hit 3m in late January so <=600k have been sold this entire year.

Also it looks like Black Friday was a terrible decision in a very price sensitive region, but I think that only means something if these game suddenly sell massive amounts of units to make up any shortcomings.
 
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DriftingSpirit

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Welfare said:
+3.5m PS4's at this point kind of shows that this year had been slow for console sales. They hit 3m in late January so <=600k have been sold this entire year.

Also it looks like Black Friday was a terrible decision in a very price sensitive region, but I think that only means something if these game suddenly sell massive amounts of units to make up any shortcomings.
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Hasn't it been slow like this over the last few years?
 
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DriftingSpirit

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Welfare said:
2015 was probably close to the same performance but I think this would mean the PS4 is down YoY. This could change in Black Friday + December but this summer was really slow for sales.
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Thanks.

I think 2015 will just end up being the peak for PS4. I think 2017 could potentially come close though.
 
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prwxv3

Member
Nightengale said:
For both Ubisoft & EA, I think they both assumed that the success of their first game were entirely on their own merits ( both quality and marketing ) and that there were no "overhype" factor involved in their respective success.
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While the crowded holiday period is not the main reason for these games underperforming it's part of the reason. For a game to be successful now it needs attention and getting attention from when you are competing with so many other games in the holidays it's hard.
 
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Guymelef

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Spain (14-20):

1- Watch Dogs 2 PS4 12,500
2- FIFA 17 PS4 11,000 (316,000)
3- COD IW PS4 6,000 (81,000)
4- Battlefield 1 +3,500 (70,000)
5- Assassin's Creed Ezio Collection ~3,000

Extra:
BadLand Games:

1- The Voice 2 +2 Mics WII +50,000
2- Minecraft Story Mode PS4 35,000
3- Farming Simulator 15 PS3 +6,500
4- Game of Thrones PS4 ~6,000
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
Guymelef said:
Spain (14-20):

1- Watch Dogs 2 PS4 12,500
2- FIFA 17 PS4 11,000 (316,000)
3- COD IW PS4 6,000 (81,000)
4- Battlefield 1 +3,500 (70,000)
5- Assassin's Creed Ezio Collection ~3,000
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He didn't give an specific number but he said that Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare is a total disaster in sales compared to the previous entry.

He expects Pokémon Sun / Moon to sell over 150,000 units in its launch week.

LTD

Pokémon X / Y ~ 335,000
Pokémon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire ~ 250,000
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

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Australia:
Week 46, 2016 - All Formats (Units)

01 (NE) POKEMON SUN (NINTENDO)
02 (NE) POKEMON MOON (NINTENDO)
03 (NE) WATCH DOGS 2 (UBISOFT)
04 (01) CALL OF DUTY: INFINITE WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
05 (03) BATTLEFIELD 1 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
06 (04) THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM SPECIAL ED. (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
07 (05) DISHONORED 2 (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
08 (05) FIFA 17 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
09 (NE) ASSASSIN'S CREED: THE EZIO COLLECTION (UBISOFT)
10 (09) FORZA HORIZON 3 (MICROSOFT)


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New Zealand:
Week 46, 2016 - All Formats (Units)

01 (NE) POKEMON SUN (NINTENDO)
02 (NE) POKEMON MOON (NINTENDO)
03 (NE) WATCH DOGS 2 (UBISOFT)
04 (02) BATTLEFIELD 1 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
05 (01) CALL OF DUTY: INFINITE WARFARE (ACTIVISION BLIZZARD)
06 (04) THE ELDER SCROLLS V: SKYRIM SPECIAL ED. (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
07 (07) NBA 2K17 (TAKE 2)
08 (05) DOOM (BETHESDA SOFTWORKS)
09 (09) GRAND THEFT AUTO V (TAKE 2)
10 (08) FIFA 17 (ELECTRONIC ARTS)
 
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Chris1

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[Week 48, 2014] POKÉMON OMEGA RUBY / ALPHA SAPPHIRE (NINTENDO) - 145,000 / NEW
[Week 41, 2013] POKÉMON X / Y (NINTENDO) - 124,000 / NEW
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Gonna aim high for Pokemon and say 180k. Think Pokemon Go will help it quite a bit and coming out 2 days before Black Friday should help it aswell.
 
Welfare

Welfare

Member
Pokemon Sighted Near Summit

28/Nov/2016
The record breaking launch of Pokemon Sun & Moon cannot deny the Black Friday boosted &#8216;FIFA 17&#8217; a return to No1 as it shoots up 2 places from No3.

&#8216;Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare&#8217; at No2 also spoils Nintendo&#8217;s party by making the most of a Black Friday windfall and ensuring &#8216;Pokemon Sun&#8217; debuts at No3 and &#8216;Pokemon Moon&#8217; at No4. However, it is a spectacular launch for Nintendo, combined they would have debuted in top spot. The Black Friday promotions have a huge effect on nearly every Top 40 title with big gains for PS4 games bundled with hardware, in particular &#8216;Uncharted 4: A Thief&#8217;s End&#8217; which re-enters the Top 40 at No8, &#8216;Driveclub&#8217;, a re-entry at No20 and &#8216;Ratchet & Clank&#8217; a re-entry at No25. In fact, it is the biggest week for PS4 console hardware since launch, beating last year&#8217;s Black Friday.
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http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=2566&s=1111

PS4 second biggest week, up from last years Black Friday. Sounds like PS4 won since there is no mention of Xbox One. Also no % increases for software.
 
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Loris146

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Mpl90 said:
No % increases fucking sucks, though.
What were PS4 numbers last BF? Also, what kind of deals both consoles got for this BF? In order to have a better context.
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PS4 had great deals on Amazon : U4 bundle for 199 £, Cod bundle for 199£ and mega pack bundle ( U4 DC R&C ) for 239 /249£.
 
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