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[BriBri]

Hey there, Brian! I'm constantly lurking; just don't chime in much

Anyway, I'm honestly sad SE never made FFV and FFVI remakes for the 3DS. They could've been soooooooo good!

Hey there lurker!

To be fair, I need retirement to even begin the NDS remakes. Shame I haven't time now as I L.O.V.E. FFIII!

And on topic: not sure if this has been reported here but the 3DS apps Collectible Badge Center and niconico have been downloaded 3.4 million and 2.5 million times respectively. Yeah yeah, they're free.

 

[AquaWateria]

Sales whose LTD will not even reach FFXV's FW sales.

To be fair Final Fantasy is considered a heavy hitter. So for it to not sell a million copies and sell half of what it use to is kinda of bad. While its true those other series won't sell as much as FFXV. However, those other series are showing growth while FFXV is showing massive decline.

The fact a once million seller won't reach that is disappointing. At least the west is helping in sales.

 

[Chris1964]

Hahaha, absolutely horseshit. Other JRPG franchises' sales are going up in Japan.

When DQXI sells the usual 4m in Japan wait for this:

"If it wasn't the state of Japanese market it would sell other 4."

 

[casiopao]

When DQXI sells the usual 4m in Japan wait for this:

"If it wasn't the state of Japanese market it would sell other 4."

And u will the same response lol.^~^ DQ does not count as it is always successful.

 

[cvxfreak]

Dropping into the thread for the first time in awhile with somes sales anecdotes from a few hours of shopping in Tokyo (Akihabara and Shibuya) yesterday:

1. As usual with every year, there were long lines, but this year seemed busier than usual because it's a three day weekend, with Dec 23 falling on a Friday.

2. Famicom Mini was restocked at the large retailers. Interest and demand were high and stock seems adequate as many stores in Tokyo still have it a day later. Given the contrasting experience with launch day, I wonder if there are actually more this week than there were in November. Famicom Mini could sell 300-400K this week, perhaps.

3. 3DS XL performed very well as usual and should be the top selling system this week, although interest in the PS4 Slim was also noticeable. Vita and especially Wii U garnered very little interest overall -- Wii U is only available as a Splatoon bundle. In the past few years, I perceived the Wii U to be selling more than PS4 and Vita, but not this year. Didn't see much movement with 2DS either.

4. Pokemon SM will sell the most, followed by Super Mario Maker 3DS. Yokai Watch 3 Sukiyaki should be in a comfortable third place. I observed closely and it was difficult to tell what PS4 games aside from Yakuza 6 were popular. Notably, I did not perceive much, if any interest, in FFXV despite it being ¥2000 yen off MSRP. This could indicate very short legs (I'm behind this theory) or further expectations of price cuts around New Year's. Either way, it and Yokai Watch 3 are definitely the disappointments of the year. And I also noticed renewed interest in New Super Mario Bros. 2. Funny enough, I saw a handful of people buy Super Mario 3D World (more than FFXV, actually, but of course SM3DW won't chart).

5. PS VR was sold out everywhere and the Pro was only in stock at one shop. Still too difficult to tell what the longterm impact these two products will have on the Japanese market.

 

[horuhe]

Dropping into the thread for the first time in awhile with somes sales anecdotes from a few hours of shopping in Tokyo (Akihabara and Shibuya) yesterday:

1. As usual with every year, there were long lines, but this year seemed busier than usual because it's a three day weekend, with Dec 23 falling on a Friday.

2. Famicom Mini was restocked at the large retailers. Interest and demand were high and stock seems adequate as many stores in Tokyo still have it a day later. Given the contrasting experience with launch day, I wonder if there are actually more this week than there were in November. Famicom Mini could sell 300-400K this week, perhaps.

3. 3DS XL performed very well as usual and should be the top selling system this week, although interest in the PS4 Slim was also noticeable. Vita and especially Wii U garnered very little interest overall -- Wii U is only available as a Splatoon bundle. In the past few years, I perceived the Wii U to be selling more than PS4 and Vita, but not this year. Didn't see much movement with 2DS either.

4. Pokemon SM will sell the most, followed by Super Mario Maker 3DS. Yokai Watch 3 Sukiyaki should be in a comfortable third place. I observed closely and it was difficult to tell what PS4 games aside from Yakuza 6 were popular. Notably, I did not perceive much, if any interest, in FFXV despite it being ¥2000 yen off MSRP. This could indicate very short legs (I'm behind this theory) or further expectations of price cuts around New Year's. Either way, it and Yokai Watch 3 are definitely the disappointments of the year. And I also noticed renewed interest in New Super Mario Bros. 2. Funny enough, I saw a handful of people buy Super Mario 3D World (more than FFXV, actually, but of course SM3DW won't chart).

5. PS VR was sold out everywhere and the Pro was only in stock at one shop. Still too difficult to tell what the longterm impact these two products will have on the Japanese market.

A very interesting insight! Thanks for it.

Famicom Mini is really looking great. As far as I'm concerned, lots of stores re-stocked units, and even when they run out without it, there is always a date (really near) to be aware of new shipments. With 3DS is true that LL is the de facto version to go up these holidays, but 2DS is doing quite well, maybe it's because the new model (that could also explain the New Super Mario Bros. 2 bump, not only Super Mario Run).

For PS4, I could say that Battlefield and Watch Dogs are popular also, and yesterday pre-orders for Gravity Daze as well. FFXV is already getting pricecuts, but only at little shops, I think. I guess, once we get through January we will see the true power of the price-slashing with that game.

 

[Chris1964]

Famicom Mini could sell 300-400K this week, perhaps.

3DS XL performed very well as usual and should be the top selling system this week,

If stock for Mini is trully so high we found the real top selling system.

Q3 report from Nintendo will make it clear.

 

[L~A]

Using "always" to refer to a business that is barely a year old, like there is some proven trend or track record. Roflmao.

? I'm referring to past statements from Nintendo regarding their mobile strategy, going back to the very early days (back when Iwata was still alive). They've always said, from the beginning, that they would be focusing on a few key titles as opposed to going all gun blazing.

***

By the way, was looking at Dengeki data for NSMB2, and it looks like they don't count the 2DS bundle? They have it at only 4k (as opposed to 14k for Media Create). So that means the bundle sold around 8-10k.

 

[casiopao]

Seeing all the great performance by Ninty there seems to show that Ninty is going to have quite a good time there this holiday.

Good Software everywhere, Hardware also selling well. Now lets hope the shortages does not happen like in NoA where 3DS is out of stock almost everywhere.T_T

And question again to Horuhe here lol.(sorry for keep troubling you there.T_T) Do you see Power Pro Yakyuu 3DS moving there? And if not, do you heard any reason on why the JP gamer is not interested with the title there except for the mobile existence?

 

[Kanann]

When DQXI sells the usual 4m in Japan wait for this:

"If it wasn't the state of Japanese market it would sell other 4."

Laugh so hard I vomit my lunch lolololol

Worth it.

 

[ZSaberLink]

When DQXI sells the usual 4m in Japan wait for this:

"If it wasn't the state of Japanese market it would sell other 4."

Is there any reason we don't expect Dragon Quest to decline from its peak as well? I'm expecting it to be 3M or something, which is decent but not its peak.

 

[Oregano]

Is there any reason we don't expect Dragon Quest to decline from its peak as well? I'm expecting it to be 3M or something, which is decent but not its peak.

Yeah I'm agreed there. Although I guess they might get enough double dippers to put it above 4 million technically.

 

[horuhe]

And question again to Horuhe here lol.(sorry for keep troubling you there.T_T) Do you see Power Pro Yakyuu 3DS moving there? And if not, do you heard any reason on why the JP gamer is not interested with the title there except for the mobile existence?

Power Pro 3DS seems to be criticized for its low difficulty, so advanced users are skipping this entry. It keeps some nostalgia, but the control has a cost of opportunity, where the analog stick should have a better use. Some people compared to the 2016 series that were released for PlayStation systems.

 

[Busaiku]

Not even Pokémon is doing 4 million these days.
Dragon Quest isn't gonna come close.

 

[Ōkami]

Looking into 2016, after it was announced that NX wouldn't be releasing and that Nintendo would be barely releasing any games I thought this would be a terrible year for them.

And it kind of has been, for the year so far Nintendo has sold around 4 million games, which is their lowest since 1995, yet they're still the biggest publisher in the country, even at their lowest. They've sold some 500k units more than The Pokémon Company or Square Enix which released new games of their landmark series, SE even a bunch of Dragon Quest spin offs while Nintendo's biggest games for 2016 were, until a few weeks ago, a Kirby game and a Wii U game released last year.

Since 1995 Nintendo has been the biggest publisher every year except for 1995 and 1997.

The PS4 in 2016 should be the first time since the PS2 in 2004 where a console was the best selling SKU of that year, and 2016 should also be the first time since 2000 where Sony moves more hardware than Nintendo, not counting the Famicom mini of course.

 

[Alrus]

It's really hard to figure out who's being sarcastic and who's being serious in these threads >.>

 

[ZSaberLink]

For the heck of it (data thanks to gamedatalibrary):
Resident Evil series
PS1 era

• Resident Evil [All Versions] 148.904 1.806.206 Capcom 22/03/1996
• Resident Evil 2 [All Versions] 1.389.733 2.456.651 Capcom 29/01/1998
• Resident Evil 3: Nemesis 1.005.020 1.383.282 Capcom 22/09/1999

PS2 era (+Wii)

• Resident Evil 4 (GC & PS2 & Wii) - 925,159
• (PS2) Resident Evil 4 234.917 454.979 Capcom 01/12/2005
• (GC) Resident Evil 4 145.533 220.799 Capcom 27/01/2005
• Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition [All Versions] 46.813 249.381 Capcom
  31/05/2007

PS3 era

• Resident Evil 5 [All Versions] 321.670 1.041.195 Capcom 05/03/2009
• Resident Evil 6 [All Versions] 643.802 866.735 Capcom 04/10/2012

PS4 era

• Resident Evil 7 - ???

 

[Chris1964]

Gold Edition is included in the number of Resident Evil 5 [All Versions]. It's Resident Evil 5 with DLC.

Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition <Resident Evil 5 \ Resident Evil 5: Lost in Nightmares \ Resident Evil 5: Desperate Escape>

 

[ZSaberLink]

Gold Edition is included in the number of Resident Evil 5 [All Versions]. It's Resident Evil 5 with DLC.

Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition <Resident Evil 5 \ Resident Evil 5: Lost in Nightmares \ Resident Evil 5: Desperate Escape>

Fixed. That makes a bunch more sense. I was wondering whether RE5 did a lot better than I realized.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

When DQXI sells the usual 4m in Japan wait for this:

"If it wasn't the state of Japanese market it would sell other 4."

DQXI selling 4 million? Now that is a good joke

 

[MacTag]

DQXI selling 4 million? Now that is a good joke

Not so crazy imo. I could see 2.5+ million on 3DS with the UE4 twins making up the rest.

 

[Chris1964]

Not so crazy imo. I could see 2.5+ million on 3DS with the UE4 twins making up the rest.

I'll be surprised if 3DS is below 3m, it depends on Switch.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

DQXI selling 4 million? Now that is a good joke

I figured the 3DS version would get at least 3 million by itself.

 

[MacTag]

I'll be surprised if 3DS is below 3m, it depends on Switch.

Yeah, 2.5m would be the basement for my estimate. 3m+ wouldn't be unusual at all, that's where mainline Pokémon and Monster Hunter usually sit.

 

[LordKano]

I'll be surprised if 3DS is below 3m, it depends on Switch.

You expect 3M on 3DS for a late 2017 multi-platform game ?

 

[Orgen]

DQXI selling 4 million? Now that is a good joke

Being on 3 platforms? Do you want to bet anything?

 

[Chris1964]

You expect 3M on 3DS for a late 2017 multi-platform game ?

What happens in 2017? 3DS userbase disappears?

 

[Hellraider]

DQXI selling 4 million? Now that is a good joke

You actually expect it to do anything less?

 

[Alrus]

Is DQ XI a guaranteed 2017 release? The recent "gameplay" trailer didn't really show that much and made it look like it's not that far along at all.

I honestly have no doubt the game will reach 4m eventually though.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

I think people are overestimating the impact that the switch will have on the 3DS.

 

[LordKano]

What happens in 2017? 3DS userbase disappears?

They would have switched platforms for a long time, since it will be the only worthwhile release of the year, and it's a holiday game.

 

[milanbaros]

Does anyone think the 3ds could have had an extended life like the original gameboy after Pokémon?

A redesigned model and Pokémon pack could have done very well for another year.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Does anyone think the 3ds could have had an extended life like the original gameboy after Pokémon?

A redesigned model and Pokémon pack could have done very well for another year.

The 3DS will be well supported for years.

 

[Chris1964]

Does anyone think the 3ds could have had an extended life like the original gameboy after Pokémon?

A redesigned model and Pokémon pack could have done very well for another year.

There won't be another redesign. January will show how aggresive Nintendo will go with Switch but I'm sure they'll try to kill 3DS as soon as possible.

GBA and DS were no different.

 

[Alrus]

The 3DS will be well supported for years.

Not by Nintendo at least. Their recent support have been low budget games and ports.

 

[MacTag]

I think people are overestimating the impact that the switch will have on the 3DS.

I'm curious how the lack of backwards compatibility might impact hardware sales. We've never had that before for Nintendo handhelds going all the way back to the original Game Boy.

 

[Vic]

I'm curious how the lack of backwards compatibility might impact hardware sales. We've never had that before for Nintendo handhelds going all the way back to the original Game Boy.

It all depends on the depth of the launch window library.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Not by Nintendo at least. Their recent support have been low budget games and ports.

I would be absolutely shocked if the 3DS doesnt get the next monster hunter, Pokémon, and maybe animal crossing.

 

[Vic]

I would be absolutely shocked if the 3DS doesnt get the next monster hunter, Pokémon, and maybe animal crossing.

No way. What's the point of trying to push the 3DS as a platform after 2016?

 

[Chris1964]

I would be absolutely shocked if the 3DS doesnt get the next monster hunter, Pokémon, and maybe animal crossing.

Stars is only for Switch and you expect 3DS to get next Pokemon.
Monster Hunter Double Cross will be the final Monster Hunter, if it doesn't go multiplatform with Switch too.
Animal Crossing no way, amiibo update is the final it got.

0/3

 

[frankie_baby]

I'm curious how the lack of backwards compatibility might impact hardware sales. We've never had that before for Nintendo handhelds going all the way back to the original Game Boy.

The potentially high price of the Switch should leave room for a lower priced 3ds to continue perform at halfway decent numbers through next year

 

[Hellraider]

I would be absolutely shocked if the 3DS doesnt get the next monster hunter, Pokémon, and maybe animal crossing.

Is this a typo? 3DS is definitely not getting any of these three...

 

[Alrus]

I would be absolutely shocked if the 3DS doesnt get the next monster hunter, Pokémon, and maybe animal crossing.

The next Pokemon as in, Sun/Moon third version or the next mainline/remake? Because if it's the latter I'd be shocked if it comes to the 3DS actually.

As for MH, considering we're getting XX in 2017, I seriously doubt MH5 will be coming in the same year and I doubt Capcom wants to put a new mainline entry on the 3DS in 2018.

As for AC that's totally out of the question, no Nintendo platform has gotten two main entry of the series, why would that change now?

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Not so crazy imo. I could see 2.5+ million on 3DS with the UE4 twins making up the rest.

It should be able to reach 2 million on 3DS, yes. But I don't see it ever hitting 3 million there.

I don't have much expectations with the UE4 version of the game. It is just a new type of thing that I have no idea how it will fly in Japan. We only have a game like Ni No Kuni to compare it against in term of the different platform release idea.

I figured the 3DS version would get at least 3 million by itself.

I'll be surprised if 3DS is below 3m, it depends on Switch.

3DS hitting 3 million in 2017? I don't see it.

Being on 3 platforms? Do you want to bet anything?

There is a huge gap now between the last mainline DQ game and the current one. Even the current DQ games have all underperformed to some extent. The latest remake of VIII never hit million while the DS remakes were all million sellers. Dragon Quest Joker 3 failed to reach the heights of Joker 2.

Is that hard to understand that perhaps the series isn't popular anymore as it was in the past and won't reach the height of DQIX sales?

You actually expect it to do anything less?

It should sell atleast 3 million if we count all 3 versions of the game. I don't expect it to sell the 4.2-4.4 million of DQIX, which means it will be inline with other JRPG series and have a big drop from the last 'proper' mainline game.

 

[Oregano]

The next Pokemon as in, Sun/Moon third version or the next mainline/remake? Because if it's the latter I'd be shocked if it comes to the 3DS actually.

As for MH, considering we're getting XX in 2017, I seriously doubt MH5 will be coming in the same year and I doubt Capcom wants to put a new mainline entry on the 3DS in 2018.

As for AC that's totally out of the question, no Nintendo platform has gotten two main entry of the series, why would that change now?

Pftt everyone knows MH5 is a bastardized PS4 game.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

The next Pokemon as in, Sun/Moon third version or the next mainline/remake? Because if it's the latter I'd be shocked if it comes to the 3DS actually.

Im talking about the next mainline/remake.

My logic for monster hunter is that they have zero stakes in the success or failure of the switch, and they are going to use thier old assets until they cant get
away with it anymore.


Dont get me wrong guys, i want the 3ds to go away too, i just dont think it makes financial sense for japanese companies to abandon it anytime soon. I would love to be wrong because the switch is somuch more capable than the 3ds.

 

[Ōkami]

Dengeki data for some time ago suggests Dragon Quest VIII on 3DS hit a million units including digital, or will get there pretty soon.

People can get their Monsters fix on a free mobile game that has millions of downloads not to mention that Joker 3 was a really cheap game too.

Their musou game sold over a 800k units and its sequel didn't had the musou levels of drop, their Minecraft clone too sold excedingly well.

Mobile and arcade games do really well and spin offs do as well as they've always done, they're even having their own section on Universal Studios Japan, just like Nintendo.

A DS game sold 3 million units in 2012, and we know of a 3DS game that will sell over 2 million in 2017.

 

[Orgen]

It should be able to reach 2 million on 3DS, yes. But I don't see it ever hitting 3 million there.

I don't have much expectations with the UE4 version of the game. It is just a new type of thing that I have no idea how it will fly in Japan. We only have a game like Ni No Kuni to compare it against in term of the different platform release idea.



3DS hitting 3 million in 2017? I don't see it.


There is a huge gap now between the last mainline DQ game and the current one. Even the current DQ games have all underperformed to some extent. The latest remake of VIII never hit million while the DS remakes were all million sellers. Dragon Quest Joker 3 failed to reach the heights of Joker 2.

Is that hard to understand that perhaps the series isn't popular anymore as it was in the past and won't reach the height of DQIX sales?


It should sell atleast 3 million if we count all 3 versions of the game. I don't expect it to sell the 4.2-4.4 million of DQIX, which means it will be inline with other JRPG series and have a big drop from the last 'proper' mainline game.

Dragon quest isn't popular anymore? Wut? ?_? Have you taken in account that there're going to be 2 (or 3) different versions of DQXI so there're going to be double dippers?

DQXI is going to sell 3.5m at minimum, even if it only sells 2 million on 3DS (that I don't see it happening but anyway).

 

[Chris1964]

A DS game sold 3 million units in 2012, and we know of a 3DS game that will sell over 2 million in 2017.

Miitopia?

 

[Nirolak]

I'm trying to think of the last time people being bearish on a sequel to an established franchise were actually wrong.