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[staticneuron]

What? That is precisely what we as a society do, we judge people based on their actions. That's why prison exists. If another person kills another person we judge their action and if they are found guilty, with no suitable defense, we put them in jail, typically for the rest of their lives. Also, how was Olgierd taking advantage of? He willingly sought out Gaunter, he knew the exact price he was paying for the contact (his soul), he willingly sacrificed his brother to secure the contact, how is he NOT solely responsible for all of this?

Prison is normally for reform not just to put people in holes and forget about them. If people were found irredeemable just simply by having an evil action the punishment for every crime would be death not timed imprisonment. Hence another name for prisons are correctional facility.

So again O'dimm is an evil that is irredeemable. Human evil normally either can be corrected or depending on society simply punished.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

I still need to play both of the expansions.

 

[Abilidebob]

I still need to play both of the expansions.

This thread is chock full of spoilers.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Prison is normally for reform not just to put people in holes and forget about them. If people were found irredeemable just simply by having an evil action the punishment for every crime would be death not timed imprisonment. Hence another name for prisons are correctional facility.

So again O'dimm is an evil that is irredeemable. Human evil normally either can be corrected or depending on society simply punished.

Depends on the country you are living in, reform died with the 80's in America. Prison is about punishment here. Even if prison didn't exists we as a society would still judge people based on their actions. Also, you are missing my point Gaunter cannot be killed or banished for good, he will always come back because he tempts the evil of men. You cannot destroy evil itself.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

This thread is chock full of spoilers.

I know.

I'm just skimming through so I probably won't remember most of this stuff by the time I start.

 

[Abilidebob]

Also, you are missing my point Gaunter cannot be killed or banished for good, he will always come back because he tempts the evil of men. You cannot destroy evil itself.

Does it mean you should just give up? Even against endless adversity, against something that will always be back, Geralt will stand up. That's the sort of Geralt I've been playing as. Just letting O'Dimm doing whatever he wants to whoever he wants seems just sad for someone that saw his "daughter" succeed against impossible enemies. I'm sure Ciri would smack him in the head.

 

[staticneuron]

Depends on the country you are living in, reform died with the 80's in America. Prison is about punishment here. Even if prison didn't exists we as a society would still judge people based on their actions. Also, you are missing my point Gaunter cannot be killed or banished for good, he will always come back because he tempts the evil of men. You cannot destroy evil itself.

Yeah I am talking about prison in general not the prison industrial complex that has formed in America. And I understood your point about him being embodiment of evil but I and others in this thread are pointing out he is more of an actor not a force of nature. In the lore of witcher it has been pointed out about uber powerful beings that defy solid explanations they came to the world during the conjunction of the spheres. The conjunction of the spheres, as strongly implied by this game and Ciri's travels, caused entities to be introduced into the world that come from parallel universes. Including humans and magic apparently. O'Dimm is simply one of those because beings of that nature, and did not exist before the conjunction of the spheres. Therefore all of the supernatural creatures in the world I normally take as visitors to the world, at least if the elves are to be believed.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Does it mean you should just give up? Even against endless adversity, against something that will always be back, Geralt will stand up. That's the sort of Geralt I've been playing as. Just letting O'Dimm doing whatever he wants to whoever he wants seems just sad for someone that saw his "daughter" succeed against impossible enemies. I'm sure Ciri would smack him in the head.

Who said anything about giving up? The ending is asking you a question about the nature of evil, about which do you believe to be the true evil? My Geralt saw Olgierd as the true evil and let him have his just deserts.

Yeah I am talking about prison in general not the prison industrial complex that has formed in America. And I understood your point about him being embodiment of evil but I and others in this thread are pointing out he is more of an actor not a force of nature. In the lore of witcher it has been pointed out about uber powerful beings that defy solid explanations. The conjunction of the spheres, as strongly implied by this game and Ciri's travels, are simply entities introduced into the world that come from parallel universes. Including humans and magic apparently. O'Dimm is simply one of those because beings of that nature did not exist before the conjunction of the spheres. Therefore all of the supernatural creatures in the world I normally take as visitors to the world, at least if the elves are to be believed.

That's where I disagree, I believe Gaunter really is the personification of evil itself, hence his acronym G.O.D. He is not like any other creature Geralt has ever encountered, he is literally all powerful and immortal. I don't believe he's some creature that came over from the Conjunction.

 

[metalslimer]

I just can't believe that Geralt of all people would let O Dimm win that exchange after everything he had seen no matter how much he thinks Olgierd is a piece of shit. I agree with whoever said that Gaunter pretty much sets people up to fall into his contracts. It's pretty obvious he set up Geralt to force him to help with Olgierd. I don't think he is necessary a reflection of those who take the contracts from him. He has a personal sense of enjoyment from watching completely innocent suffer. For what he did to that scholar alone, Geralt would not side with him.

Also when you watch Olgierds actions in the past before his heart is turned to stone you see he at least has the capacity for love and kindness. I don't see in what universe is morally ok for him to suffer for all eternity instead of living out the rest of his days in regret of all the harm he caused

But despite what we may think it's amazing how good this dlc is. I don't think I've ever felt a greater sense of dread that I did when dealing with O Dinn.

 

[staticneuron]

That's where I disagree, I believe Gaunter really is the personification of evil itself, hence his acronym G.O.D. He is not like any other creature Geralt has ever encountered, he is literally all powerful and immortal. I don't believe he's some creature that came over from the Conjunction.

And GOD doesn't exist in that world. O'Dimm seemingly only torment humans, humans are stated to come to the world during conjunction of the spheres. So if the being always existed, why did it not antagonize the elder races in the lore? Why did it not antagonize elder races we could see in HoS or B&W? You would have to imply that the Elder Races never exhibited evil if that was the case. Which is incredibly hard to believe.

 

[Abilidebob]

Who said anything about giving up? The ending is asking you a question about the nature of evil, about which do you believe to be the true evil? My Geralt saw Olgierd as the true evil and let him have his just deserts.

Well, Geralt had the only chance to get at least a small win against him, he read that someone in the past won against him that way, and Geralt knew that being was something that would keep killing and tormenting a bunch of innocent people while manipulating people into contracts just for their souls and his enjoyment. Letting him do what he wants because Olgierd is a terrible human being just doesn't sit right with me. It's not like he's a succubus that killed people in self defense.

That's where I disagree, I believe Gaunter really is the personification of evil itself, hence his acronym G.O.D. He is not like any other creature Geralt has ever encountered, he is literally all powerful and immortal. I don't believe he's some creature that came over from the Conjunction.

He didn't have enough power to know where Ciri was he even said that there were things even he doesn't butt in. He's damn powerful but he's not really "conceptual". Also, while powerful as hell the things he did could have been done by a strong djinn, as far as we know.

 

[Haunted]

They've written Gaunter O'Dimm as a medieval and mature version of the devil/demon trickster archetype and Olgierd as a tragic and very human figure.

Playing as Geralt (someone showing a very... spotty understanding of and empathy for human nature), I much prefer the ending on the moon.


Amazing storytelling either way, fantastic DLC.

 

[ActWan]

O'dimm is basically the devil himself - in the end the choice is wether to not intervene and let justice happen, or intervene and make some irredeemable evil asshole live even though he doesn't deserve it.
You don't kill O'dimm or something, he still exists, just choosing if Olgierd should just get away with everything and live to have another chance - or die rightfully.
To me the obvious choice was to not intervene, but everyone can think differently. All depends on your "moral code" and such.

 

[metalslimer]

O'dimm is basically the devil himself - in the end the choice is wether to not intervene and let justice happen, or intervene and make some irredeemable evil asshole live even though he doesn't deserve it.
You don't kill O'dimm or something, he still exists, just choosing if Olgierd should just get away with everything and live to have another chance - or die rightfully.
To me the obvious choice was to not intervene, but everyone can think differently. All the depends on your "moral code" and such.

I don't think it's fair to say he got away with everything when the love of his life is still gone thanks to him. He certainly doesn't get a happy ending.

I think the question is whether do you think Olgierd deserve to suffer for all eternity instead torment due to his past actions.

Also Geralt does the satisfaction of besting O Dimm even if he can't kill him.

 

[Aceofspades]

Olgierd is a mirror image of David Beckham (in looks of course)

OT, I think Olgierd is just a bad guy in human flesh, his story was done beautifully. He is just a guy who suffered from the past and happen to submit his soul to the devil.

 

[Back-In-Black]

And GOD doesn't exist in that world. O'Dimm seemingly only torment humans, humans are stated to come to the world during conjunction of the spheres. So if the being always existed, why did it not antagonize the elder races in the lore? Why did it not antagonize elder races we could see in HoS or B&W? You would have to imply that the Elder Races never exhibited evil if that was the case. Which is incredibly hard to believe.

We don't know if he's interacted with and offered deals to other races before, we don't have much information about him in the first place. However, when you first speak to him in Yantra he speaks as if he is apart from all other races, he lumps Elves, Dwarves, and Human into the same category.

Well, Geralt had the only chance to get at least a small win against him, he read that someone in the past won against him that way, and Geralt knew that being was something that would keep killing and tormenting a bunch of innocent people while manipulating people into contracts just for their souls and his enjoyment. Letting him do what he wants because Olgierd is a terrible human being just doesn't sit right with me. It's not like he's a succubus that killed people in self defense.

He didn't have enough power to know where Ciri was he even said that there were things even he doesn't butt in. He's damn powerful but he's not really "conceptual". Also, while powerful as hell the things he did could have been done by a strong djinn, as far as we know.

He seems to know where she is but simply mentions he cannot meddle with her current situation, likely because she is essentially in another plane of existence while on the Isle of Mists. However, he is able to tell you exactly how to get the "best" ending with Ciri. He basically tells you the future and all the correct choices you need to make to keep her alive at the end of the game. That's pretty darn powerful in addition to stopping time itself.

 

[Abilidebob]

We don't know if he's interacted with and offered deals to other races before, we don't have much information about him in the first place. However, when you first speak to him in Yantra he speaks as if he is apart from all other races, he lumps Elves, Dwarves, and Human into the same category.



He seems to know where she is but simply mentions he cannot meddle with her current situation, likely because she is essentially in another plane of existence while on the Isle of Mists. However, he is able to tell you exactly how to get the "best" ending with Ciri. He basically tells you the future and all the correct choices you need to make to keep her alive at the end of the game. That's pretty darn powerful in addition to stopping time itself.

Sure, he can see the future. Just like dozens of other characters in the story. He can stop time, Ciri is called the Lady of Space of Time, she can travel forward and backwards in time. I'm not saying he's not powerful, he is. But the way I see it he's still a player in the grand scheme of things, not THE scheme of things itself. If a Djinn had the ego and conscience of O'Dimm I'm sure they'd be able to do similar stuff. One of the books in that old man's house implies hard enough that O'Dimm is similar in nature to those elementals, just that the plane he came from isn't a plane of water, fire or air, but evil.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

....and so, another Witcher 3 playthrough beckons, at this point I think I'm on 400 odd hours in game, best RPG of all time.

I also agree, Von Everic was an asshole, but he was endearing so I

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saved him, as O'dimm was the devil after all, couldn't side with him in good conscience.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Sure, he can see the future. Just like dozens of other characters in the story. He can stop time, Ciri is called the Lady of Space of Time, she can travel forward and backwards in time. I'm not saying he's not powerful, he is. But the way I see it he's still a player in the grand scheme of things, not THE scheme of things itself. If a Djinn had the ego and conscience of O'Dimm I'm sure they'd be able to do similar stuff. One of the books in that old man's house implies hard enough that O'Dimm is similar in nature to those elementals, just that the plane he came from isn't a plane of water, fire or air, but evil.

I'm pretty sure she cannot do that (though I haven't read all the novels). She is called the Lady of Space and Time because she can teleport instantaneously to other dimensions/places. That requires both the manipulation of space and time. Everyone can move through Space but it requires Time, Ciri is able to move through Space without using any Time. Thus, she is both a manipulator of both Time and Space. However, we haven't seen her be able to manipulate Time alone.

 

[Flipyap]

Well yeah, that's why O'Dimm was a vendor of mirrors - his actions only reflect the nature of those who request them.

O'Dimm preys on people for his own enjoyment. The only thing you could tie in with the mirror theme is that his methods of torture tend to be thematically ironic, meanwhile he's shown plenty agency for unmotivated cruelty which doesn't fit the mirror theme (the spoon trick, the "protective circle").

Playing as Geralt (someone showing a very... spotty understanding of and empathy for human nature), I much prefer the ending on the moon.

That's not who Geralt is. Geralt is empathetic to a fault, he's the first person willing to sacrifice himself for others. He's the audience stand-in for empathizing with people and creatures on the fringes of that society.

 

[Phatosaurus]

If Gaunter wasn't so overtly evil outside of his contracts, I honestly would consider him to be the lesser of the two evils.

However, as it stands.
-He stopped time to push a wooden spoon through the eye of man for interrupting him.
-Attempted to poison another man's soup for no explained reason.
-Trapped a scholar within a ritual circle on the ground and mentally tormented him, all for merely researching O'Dimm.
-Cursed a noblewoman for not feeding O'Dimm when he begged outside her house.


That's just plain evil and unsportsmanlike, it also feels at odds with his whole "fair and square" contract shtick.

 

[zer0das]

Olgierd is just a hedonist at the end of the day. Gaunter O'Dimm is evil for evil's sake and goes out of of his way to enable others to be evil. I would equate what Gaunter does to giving the keys to a drunk driver and then taking an insurance policy on the vehicle and the car and hiding evidence the wreck was due to drunk driving.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Gaunter is literally dubbed evil incarnate. He sticks a spoon in a guy's eye because he made him wait. This is some delusional ass spin.

 

[Vash63]

Could you not put that in the title? Opinion or not I'm half way through the expansion right now and would rather go in blind.

 

[RoyaleDuke]

Yeah no, Gaunter was literally a lovecraftian deity from beyond space and time that can only be outsmarted by a select few of really smart people and most of the people can probably be counted on one hand.

Geralt is one of these people that managed to outsmart Nylarthotep.

How in the fuck can that happen is beyond me but even then it was clear that even if you did outsmart him, unless you banished him you are clearly fucked either way.

This dudes power is cosmic bro. COSMIC.

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Some say Kos...

 

[Haunted]

That's not who Geralt is. Geralt is empathetic to a fault, he's the first person willing to sacrifice himself for others. He's the audience stand-in for empathizing with people and creatures on the fringes of that society.

If they're deserving of it, sure. Olgierd didn't really strike me as such a character.

It's easy to make arguments for Gaunter O'Dimm like the OP did, or mirroring the pro-Olgierd arguments about his hedonistic nature - "oh Gaunter's just following his demonic trickster nature, just doing his job".


Personally, I much prefer the Olgierd dies on the moon ending, because I think that Geralt respects Gaunter's power, he recognises him as someone you'd really not want to fuck with (outside of a contract, that is) and Olgierd never struck me as a character to risk one's life for.


I do play my Geralt a bit more book-like, detached from common humans and more selfish than the altruistic RPG-hero he often has to be in the games to move the player forward, though, so maybe that's where that difference comes from.

 

[MartyStu]

They've written Gaunter O'Dimm as a medieval and mature version of the devil/demon trickster archetype and Olgierd as a tragic and very human figure.

Playing as Geralt (someone showing a very... spotty understanding of and empathy for human nature), I much prefer the ending on the moon.


Amazing storytelling either way, fantastic DLC.

That is almost the opposite of who Geralt is. He has a very strong grasp of human nature.

Although to a much more realistic extent, even book Geralt is like this.

 

[Coriolanus]

Could you not put that in the title? Opinion or not I'm half way through the expansion right now and would rather go in blind.

Why? it is no spoiler, but conjecture, and unless one is absolutely blind, the game wastes no time in making it quite clear that Olgierd is, at the very least, a massive, murderous, prick.

 

[~Cross~]

Olgried, for all his faults, is still a human. Capable of grief, regret, of changing, of being a better person. The same cannot be said of Gaunter. He is the very definition of a monster, and witchers kill monsters.

The quest in blood and wine with the wight is a clear depiction of Gaunter's modus operandi and the effect of what happens when you give a person a second chance. They change. If left to Gaunter, he wouldn't give them a chance.

 

[Abilidebob]

I'm pretty sure she cannot do that (though I haven't read all the novels). She is called the Lady of Space and Time because she can teleport instantaneously to other dimensions/places. That requires both the manipulation of space and time. Everyone can move through Space but it requires Time, Ciri is able to move through Space without using any Time. Thus, she is both a manipulator of both Time and Space. However, we haven't seen her be able to manipulate Time alone.

I finished Tower of the Swallow yesterday, and in the book it's clear she traveled forward in time. In the first game a character went back in time. In both cases it was a involuntary action, but still something doable by some characters.

If they're deserving of it, sure. Olgierd didn't really strike me as such a character.

It's easy to make arguments for Gaunter O'Dimm like the OP did, or mirroring the pro-Olgierd arguments about his hedonistic nature - "oh Gaunter's just following his demonic trickster nature, just doing his job".


Personally, I much prefer the Olgierd dies on the moon ending, because I think that Geralt respects Gaunter's power, he recognises him as someone you'd really not want to fuck with (outside of a contract, that is) and Olgierd never struck me as a character to risk one's life for.


I do play my Geralt a bit more book-like, detached from common humans and more selfish than the altruistic RPG-hero he often has to be in the games to move the player forward, though, so maybe that's where that difference comes from.

Everyone has different interpretations for characters in books and games, but I can't see book Geralt as selfish. Sure, he acts like that. But he also acts like he's always neutral. He also acts like he doesn't care about anything. And the characters in the books even call him out on that, quite humorously so, I think it was even in Baptism of Fire. He wants to be seen as this stoic, cold, super professional Witcher, when in reality he's not.

 

[nickgia]

Olgierd is a terrible person, but Gaunter is evil incarnate.

I chose to save Olgierd, and thought it was a satisfying ending.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Olgried, for all his faults, is still a human. Capable of grief, regret, of changing, of being a better person. The same cannot be said of Gaunter. He is the very definition of a monster, and witchers kill monsters.

The quest in blood and wine with the wight is a clear depiction of Gaunter's modus operandi and the effect of what happens when you give a person a second chance. They change. If left to Gaunter, he wouldn't give them a chance.

But, Gaunter cannot be killed or even permanently banished.

 

[rahji]

Olgierd is a terrible person but I chose to stop Gaunter only because I was curious If Geralt can handle it.
But I guess the "true" Geralt would behave after his witcher code (witchers are always neutral) and would have gone away.

 

[Flipyap]

Personally, I much prefer the Olgierd dies on the moon ending, because I think that Geralt respects Gaunter's power, he recognises him as someone you'd really not want to fuck with (outside of a contract, that is) and Olgierd never struck me as a character to risk one's life for.

Very few Witcher stories would take place if Geralt had a habit of giving up if he's up against something powerful.
Geralt has a history of taking risks to help cursed dudes who used to be bandits (he also has a history of banging bandits, but sadly there was no Sexy Ending in Hearts of Stone), I don't see what's so different about Olgierd that would make Geralt want to rob him of a chance at redemption and support a monster (in every sense of the word), especially by sitting back and enjoying the show. What is this, The Shitty Witcher 3: Lazy Hunt?!

I do play my Geralt a bit more book-like, detached from common humans and more selfish than the altruistic RPG-hero he often has to be in the games to move the player forward, though, so maybe that's where that difference comes from.

This description doesn't fit Book Geralt one bit. Other characters from the novels describe Geralt as a compulsive hero, which is why half the time he works for free.
I can see how you could think that about Video Game Geralt, because CD Projekt Red did such a lousy job with Geralt's characterization (to this day gamers keep describing Geralt as incapable of showing emotions or quoting his made up Witcher code), but the OG Geralt? Nuh uh. Nope. No way.

 

[Bluenoser]

They are both villains. Whether you consider Olgierd the "true" villain is up to whether you believe in redemption. The guy has lost everything and paid the price for his crimes. Is his soul worth redeeming or not? I chose to save him, but I believe it was only due to extra loot available in the subsequent area... can't recall now.

 

[HStallion]

The real villain was that woman who kept calling Geralt Puss Peepers. His entire interaction with her is fucking hilarious and I wish she gave him some more quests just to see Geralt totally nonplussed about her nickname for him.

 

[MartyStu]

Very few Witcher stories would take place if Geralt had a habit of giving up if he's up against something powerful.
Geralt has a history of taking risks to help cursed dudes who used to be bandits (he also has a history of banging bandits, but sadly there was no Sexy Ending in Hearts of Stone), I don't see what's so different about Olgierd that would make Geralt want to rob him of a chance at redemption and support a monster (in every sense of the word), especially by sitting back and enjoying the show. What is this, The Shitty Witcher 3: Lazy Hunt?!


This description doesn't fit Book Geralt one bit. Other characters from the novels describe Geralt as a compulsive hero, which is why half the time he works for free.
I can see how you could think that about Video Game Geralt, because CD Projekt Red did such a lousy job with Geralt's characterization (to this day gamers keep describing Geralt as incapable of showing emotions or quoting his made up Witcher code), but the OG Geralt? Nuh uh. Nope. No way.

I actually think CDPR did a pretty good job with Geralt. The problem is the voice actor plays Geralt a bit too subtly when it comes to certain things. That combined with people not using critical thinking.

The sorts of things he says and does pretty much belies the claim that he is emotionless. Hell, Lambert CLEARLY shows that Witchers are not all that different from other humans.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

jeez hearts of stone is so good

i agree. gaunter is a bad guy, but to me he wasn't *the* bad guy. he was more like Q, y'know

It was really an excellent story. Far more than I expected from a DLC set in the same main area as the original game with a setup along the lines of "can Geralt defeat the immortal bandit?" Turned out to be one of the most enjoyable stories in gaming in recent memory.

I actually think CDPR did a pretty good job with Geralt. The problem is the voice actor plays Geralt a bit too subtly when it comes to certain things. That combined with people not using critical thinking.

The sorts of things he says and does pretty much belies the claim that he is emotionless. Hell, Lambert CLEARLY shows that Witchers are not all that different from other humans.

I honestly don't think the voice actor does a bad job. I never understood the "Geralt is emotionless" claim. It's like I was playing totally different games because I never got that impression.

 

[MartyStu]

It was really an excellent story. Far more than I expected from a DLC set in the same main area as the original game with a setup along the lines of "can Geralt defeat the immortal bandit?" Turned out to be one of the most enjoyable stories in gaming in recent memory.



I honestly don't think the voice actor does a bad job. I never understood the "Geralt is emotionless" claim. It's like I was playing totally different games because I never got that impression.

Same.

And I love the voice actor and really enjoy his performance. I just think that the script sometimes has subtleties that he or fails to quite get across.

 

[Griss]

Not sure I've ever come across a more detestable character than olgierd. Damn near cheered when gaunter took his soul. If it wasn't for that terrible spoon scene which ruined his character gaunter would clearly have been the 'good guy' in that particular pairing.

The whole idea of gaunter is (or should have been) that he does evil by reflecting your own evil. He'd be no danger to a virtuous person. He's a neutral force of nature. Olgierd was a loathsome and pretentious murderous rapist and what happened to his wife was hard to take.

 

[Giever]

Gaunter is a sentient & sapient being that puts a wooden spoon in a stranger's eye; he's evil. He also tortured and killed an innocent scholar.

 

[Staf]

I recently started a new Witcher 3 run. I can't bloody wait to play HoS again. It's remarkable the way CDPR created two so very different expansions with HoS and B&W yet both being so damn incredible. But from a story perspective HoS edges B&W out. But B&W did a lot of new interesting stuff from a gameplay perspective.

 

[Filthy Casual]

This is why I let Olgierd die. That and I was not about to fuck with Gaunter, didn't even take a reward haha. Such a special DLC. Shani is love also.

 

[MartyStu]

Not sure I've ever come across a more detestable character than olgierd. Damn near cheered when gaunter took his soul. If it wasn't for that terrible spoon scene which ruined his character gaunter would clearly have been the 'good guy' in that particular pairing.

The whole idea of gaunter is (or should have been) that he does evil by reflecting your own evil. He'd be no danger to a virtuous person. He's a neutral force of nature. Olgierd was a loathsome and pretentious murderous rapist and what happened to his wife was hard to take.

I think the fact that you are forced to choose what you view to be the lesser of the evils is emblematic of the Witcher.

And Gaunther being a 'god' of evil not entirely above petty, lesser evils is what secures him as a great character. Having actual agency makes him WAYYYY more interesting.

Gaunter is a sentient & sapient being that puts a wooden spoon in a stranger's eye; he's evil. He also tortured and killed an innocent scholar.

And tortured a woman who was rude to him for decades.

 

[Barakov]

I ultimately saved Olgierd. The guy certainly didn't deserve it. He did some very terrible things before and after his heart was turned to stone. Odimm, on the other hand, is very obviously just straight up evil and out to cause misery. It wasn't so much about saving Olgierd but more about sending Gaunter away before he does any more damage no matter how brief period it is.

 

[Linkark07]

I know Gaunther is an evil entity and a creature that actually takes enjoyment by torturing people but ultimately, I allowed him to take Olgierd's soul. He made a deal with the devil and he had to pay the ultimate price for it years ago.

And even if Geralt defeats him, he will return someday and try to get his vengeance, either by torturing Geralt himself or somebody close to him like Ciri or Dandelion. So no, my Geralt didnt even try to save Olgierd. That said, he didn't take any reward from the demon either.

 

[Coriolanus]

Olgierd is a terrible person but I chose to stop Gaunter only because I was curious If Geralt can handle it.
But I guess the "true" Geralt would behave after his witcher code (witchers are always neutral) and would have gone away.

The true Geralt meddles in politics. He never did more than pretend to care for neutrality.

I know Gaunther is an evil entity and a creature that actually takes enjoyment by torturing people but ultimately, I allowed him to take Olgierd's soul. He made a deal with the devil and he had to pay the ultimate price for it years ago.

The whole point of the intro on the boat is showing that Gaunter is quite god damn good at coaxing people into making deals with him.

 

[Kazuhira]

How can he be more evil than the devil itself? Olgierd was a victim because master mirror likes to twist his wishes into something else.
The first wish that turned the prince into a frog was not even intentional,2nd one made him immortal but turned his heart into stone and the 3rd one made him rich but killed his brother.
If someone as kind as Iris can love Olgierd then he can't be that bad.

 

[lome88]

How can he be more evil than the devil itself? Olgierd was a victim because master mirror likes to twist his wishes into something else.
The first wish that turned the prince into a frog was not even intentional,2nd one made him immortal but turned his heart into stone and the 3rd one made him rich but killed his brother.
If someone as kind as Iris can love Olgierd then he can't be that bad.

That's kind of the fascinating part of the choice at the end of the quest - do you defend the inherent evil or the evil by choice? Gaunter O'Dimm is evil incarnate, if not just straight up the devil himself (Witcher lore can be a little tricky in regards to actual devil imagery) and can't help but be evil because, hey, that's what he do.

Olgierd is evil by choice. We know that even at a young age he's pretty much a nobleman who likes to do bandit-level stuff. He talks about raiding and pillaging with Vlodomir when he was a teen. His relationship with Iris is the only redeeming part of his life, and every decision he makes once he falls in love with her is to selfishly keep that bond strong. The problem becomes the typical Faustian dilemma, where your wish is never really what you actually want.

 

[Back-In-Black]

How can he be more evil than the devil itself? Olgierd was a victim because master mirror likes to twist his wishes into something else.
The first wish that turned the prince into a frog was not even intentional,2nd one made him immortal but turned his heart into stone and the 3rd one made him rich but killed his brother.
If someone as kind as Iris can love Olgierd then he can't be that bad.

You are mistaken, Olgierd turned the prince into a frog all by himself, Gaunter wasn't involved. Olgierd dabbled heavily in dark magic, which is how he eventually came to learn about Gaunter O'Dimm. He cursed the Ofieri Prince all on his own through his knowledge of magic to prevent him from marrying Iris. And, if you believe his bullshit about "not really thinking it would work," I've got a monster free vineyard in Touissant to sell you. Let's also ignore the fact that when he got bored of the Prince's torment he sent you to kill him, not lift the curse, but kill him specifically because he didn't want the curse lifted but the Prince ended. Olgierd was and has always been a bastard.