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[Head.spawn]

If it's $399 I doubt the Pro will stay at $399 so most likely it'll always be the most expensive console unless MS decides to eat the cost on it. I don't see that happening as bundles are the new "discount". Way cheaper then discounting hardware and still increases value

Well, yeah. I mean we already saw $60-70 discounts on Pro in the first couple weeks. I'd imagine next holiday sales are going to have it around $300 with game bundles. Scorpio will be launch into a nuclear assault as far as pricing goes.

 

[tiredheadcrab]

http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-ryzen-new-evidence.html

This is getting a bit out of hand now. I wish Spencer would just say they aren't using it and settle this.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-ryzen-new-evidence.html

This is getting a bit out of hand now. I wish Spencer would just say they aren't using it and settle this.

Considering the attraction at AMD's booth at CES 2017 was all about Ryzen and Vega, I'd take the appearance of a slide hyping Project Scorpio as a pretty good sign.

And why do you want Spencer's version of "settle this" to be him saying they aren't using Ryzen? Why not wish for him to come out and say, "Yes, Scorpio is using Ryzen." Why go the more pessimistic route?

 

[Hoo-doo]

http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-ryzen-new-evidence.html

This is getting a bit out of hand now. I wish Spencer would just say they aren't using it and settle this.

Can people stop peddling this garbage article? It's based on a fake tweet that went around just yesterday where some guy acted like he was at CES by cropping out the watermark on that picture.

 

[Rains]

Cant wait to see how the new forza looks they better have the games to show the system off at e3

 

[krang]

Considering the attraction at AMD's booth at CES 2017 was all about Ryzen and Vega, I'd take the appearance of a slide hyping Project Scorpio as a pretty good sign.

And why do you want Spencer's version of "settle this" to be him saying they aren't using Ryzen? Why not wish for him to come out and say, "Yes, Scorpio is using Ryzen." Why go the more pessimistic route?

Because it's not using Zen.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Because I want it to not use Zen.

okay then.

 

[Crayon]

I'm seeing opportunities for avatar bets just sitting on the table here.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I'm seeing opportunities for avatar bets just sitting on the table here.

I'm taking one. Give me whatever avatar you guys want if I lose. It's 100% having Zen. Yes, I'm going out on a limb.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I'm taking one. Give me whatever avatar you guys want if I lose. It's 100% having Zen. Yes, I'm going out on a limb.

You can't get enough of holding those L's, do you sage.

 

[krang]

okay then.

Pathetic. And couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

You can't get enough of holding those L's, do you sage.

Don't know what you're talking about. I haven't taken one yet.

See what I'm doing there? If you don't acknowledge them, it never happened.

In reality, I've just never taken any. So yea, avatar bet!

 

[Hawk269]

http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-ryzen-new-evidence.html

This is getting a bit out of hand now. I wish Spencer would just say they aren't using it and settle this.

I posted this in another thread, but perhaps with this being out there, true or not and more stuff being speculated on other web sites it will put some pressure on both AMD/MS to possibly say something earlier than they had planned. I doubt it would force anyone's hand, but if was something that so definitely was going to be a NO in relationship to using ZEN, then they could just say:

"We are not using Zen, but stay tuned to further information in regards to Scorpio".

Some may think the longer they say nothing may lend credence that perhaps they are using Zen or some version of Zen. I am NOT suggesting that they will be using ZEN for the record, I am keeping an open mind to it or some variation of it, but not holding my breath nor will I cry if it does not have ZEN..lol.

It is just interesting that this story is gaining traction and the more traction it has, the more pressure perhaps falls on AMD/MS to possibly say something.

 

[EvB]

Because it's not using Zen.

It doesn't use Jaguar...

 

[etta]

It doesn't use Jaguar...

Intel yea baby wohoo

 

[EvB]

Intel yea baby wohoo

Baby's ARM

 

[etta]

Baby's ARM

😭

Maybe PowerPC awwww yeeee

 

[The Argus]

Since this topic is full of time travelers:

What's next week's Powerball numbers?

 

[etta]

Since this topic is full of time travelers:

What's next week's Powerball numbers?

69 69 69 69 69 69

 

[EvB]

Since this topic is full of time travelers:

What's next week's Powerball numbers?

It got cancelled after a thermonuclear detonation above Washington ushered in World War 3.

 

[Inuhanyou]

http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-ryzen-new-evidence.html

This is getting a bit out of hand now. I wish Spencer would just say they aren't using it and settle this.

This article is based on faulty information. They don't have sources beyond a fake tweet from yesterday.

 

[Chobel]

http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-scorpio-ryzen-new-evidence.html

This is getting a bit out of hand now. I wish Spencer would just say they aren't using it and settle this.

A source close to ICXM

 

[spannicus]

I hope this thing is the beast they say it is. Microsoft knows they have to go hard with Scorpio and Spencers talks of the console being a premium device doesnt sound like they're gonna cheap out on its guts. Native 4k and Vr is gonna take some power and im sure Microsoft is having a good time trying to figure out how to pull it off. Not to mention how to design a sexy console. We should all be hyped as console owners imo. Especially if they bring the games.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I'm also remembering what spencer said here.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-head-phil-spencer-talks-scorpio-ps4-pro-4k-re/1100-6444198/

Spencer: It didn't affect our plan at all. About two and a half years ago we started to look at a hardware refresh that we might want to do, which in the end led to the Xbox One S and Scorpio in terms of designs. We'd looked at doing something that was higher performance this year, and I'd say the [PS4] Pro is about what we thought--with the GPU, CPU, memory that was here this year-that you could go do, and we decided that we wanted to do something different. So we looked at Scorpio and 4K and what I thought was a bigger step in terms of performance. It was something that we wanted to focus on.

Somehow I don't see this translating to: Okay, so we went with a jaguar CP.... *crickets*

Microsoft is after Zen, and Project Scorpio will just so happen to be one of the first products to have a Zen based APU.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I'm also remembering what spencer said here.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-head-phil-spencer-talks-scorpio-ps4-pro-4k-re/1100-6444198/

Somehow I don't see this translating to: Okay, so we went with a jaguar CP.... *crickets*

Microsoft is after Zen, and Project Scorpio will just so happen to be one of the first products to have a Zen based APU.

You already mentioned that quote previously and were told that it meant nothing. And your conclusions are not sound about it.

You seem to be saying MS are after Zen with no real evidence from my view

 

[m23]

You already mentioned that quote previously and were told that it meant nothing. And your conclusions are not sound about it.

You seem to be saying MS are after Zen with no real evidence from my view

Let him dream. Tears will flow in a few months.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

You already mentioned that quote previously and were told that it meant nothing. And your conclusions are not sound about it.

You seem to be saying MS are after Zen with no real evidence from my view

People are saying Microsoft aren't going after Zen with no real evidence from my view.

Lisa Su's comments are confirmation of nothing for a project still shrouded in mystery and likely protected under various non-disclosure agreements. So we're back to square one.

Tell me, are people here implying that Scorpio will actually have a Jaguar CPU? I sincerely hope not.

Let him dream. Tears will flow in a few months.

Care to back that up? I win, you buy me a game. You win, I buy you a game.

 

[Proelite]

I'm seeing the same sentiment as pre-ps4 pro and NX leaks.

Remember 5.5 teraflops and better CPU PS4 pro hinted at by OsirisBlack? That had better believability since it came from the same person who leaked the pro first.

Remember 50% better than PS4 AMD Polaris SMD 10k NX?

Lack of evidence is not evidence.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I'm seeing the same sentiment as pre-ps4 pro and NX leaks.


Remember 5.5 teraflops and better CPU PS4 pro?

Remember 50% better than PS4 AMD Polaris SMD 10k NX?

Lack of evidence is not evidence.

The problem with that is the PS4 Pro was expected to release last year, and we already had confirmed leaks on the specs with a specific CPU mentioned, along with clock speeds if I'm not mistaken. We have no such thing for Scorpio besides 8 core CPU. We still don't even know much about the GPU besides 6 Teraflops. They might have told us more about the CPU, but there's nothing really exciting about saying 2.1GHZ or 1.8GHZ these days, so focus on the GPU Teraflops and memory bandwidth made more sense.

 

[killatopak]

I thought zen was a no brainer since they waited until 2017?

 

[tapedeck]

Care to back that up? I win, you buy me a game. You win, I buy you a game.

Shitjustgotreal.gif

 

[icespide]

I thought zen was a no brainer since they waited until 2017?

it is hardly a no brainer. could go either way

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I thought zen was a no brainer since they waited until 2017?

Exactly how I saw it honestly, but, for whatever reason, people are, I guess, looking at how capable Zen is looking and thinking "no friggin way something like that goes in Scorpio without it costing $800," but Scorpio was never going to have a Zen CPU matching like for like with the highest end Zen parts regardless, but Zen of any type should be a tremendous upgrade over whatever the Xbox One and PS4 were using.

People think Microsoft waited a whole year just for a Vega GPU and somehow aren't also looking to give the CPU a pretty serious upgrade from Xbox One also.

 

[Inuhanyou]

I thought zen was a no brainer since they waited until 2017?

They waited until 2017 to have a stronger unit.

Vega, better ram and such would count in that.

We also have Lisa su saying no console esque variant of Zen will be available in 2017. The burden of proof is on those proclaiming otherwise

 

[m23]

Care to back that up? I win, you buy me a game. You win, I buy you a game.

Your arguments for Scorpio having a Zen cpu hinge on a CEO lying, a sign for Scorpio at an AMD desk at a trade show and you apparently speaking to someone at e3 last year.

 

[etta]

I thought zen was a no brainer since they waited until 2017?

Nahhh, apparently they waited until 2017 so they could use a 2012 CPU alongside a 2017 GPU.

 

[spannicus]

Nahhh, apparently they waited until 2017 so they could use a 2012 CPU alongside a 2017 GPU.

Lol

 

[SenjutsuSage]

They waited until 2017 to have a stronger unit.

Vega, better ram and such would count in that.

We also have Lisa su saying no console esque variant of Zen will be available in 2017. The burden of proof is on those proclaiming otherwise

I just think Project Scorpio and AMD's work on it is still under NDA, and that's really all there is to it. If they wound up revealing that Project Scorpio has Zen later this year, nobody is going to flip because AMD beat Lisa's projection.

Nahhh, apparently they waited until 2017 so they could use a 2012 CPU alongside a 2017 GPU.

LOL. Wow, this didn't even click for me till you just said this. 2012 wow.

 

[Hawk269]

You already mentioned that quote previously and were told that it meant nothing. And your conclusions are not sound about it.

You seem to be saying MS are after Zen with no real evidence from my view

Based on just that quote from Phil, I do not believe that Jaguar is going to be in the system...if they were using Jaguar they could of released holiday 2016 with a similar PRO spec'd system. As far as I know, with AMD there is Puma, Excavator or Zen. So there is 3 CPU's or variants of them they will end up using...unless we go completely off the path and say they will use an Intel I5 type of CPU.

I am holding hoping they do what they say they are doing and not holding back, no compromises etc and that Zen will be in the system. Not holding my breath, but hoping for the best.

 

[Detective]

They waited until 2017 to have a stronger unit.

Vega, better ram and such would count in that.

We also have Lisa su saying no console esque variant of Zen will be available in 2017. The burden of proof is on those proclaiming otherwise

Man, every time I go into a Scorpio thread you are there saying the exact same thing over and over again.

We heard you, you dont believe its gonna be zen.

 

[Trago]

If not Zen, then surely they aren't gonna keep Jaguar right? Talk about bottleneck.

 

[EvB]

If not Zen, then surely they aren't gonna keep Jaguar right? Talk about bottleneck.

It's not jaguar

 

[spannicus]

If not Zen, then surely they aren't gonna keep Jaguar right? Talk about bottleneck.

Why would they? Etta said it best.

 

[Hawk269]

Let him dream. Tears will flow in a few months.

To me it's this kind of bull shit response that gets to me. Just because someone, including myself wants the system to be as powerful as possible, some people reduce to those wanting it or hoping for it will be reduced to tears. I get you are a PS4 fan, I am too, but regardless of system preference, I don't go on about hoping that someone that is looking forward to a new system gets "less" power in the system. I get that some things are unrealistic, but some of the responses like the one I quoted are really not needed in the thread. If you disagree, post your reasons for it.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Based on just that quote from Phil, I do not believe that Jaguar is going to be in the system...if they were using Jaguar they could of released holiday 2016 with a similar PRO spec'd system. As far as I know, with AMD there is Puma, Excavator or Zen. So there is 3 CPU's or variants of them they will end up using...unless we go completely off the path and say they will use an Intel I5 type of CPU.

I am holding hoping they do what they say they are doing and not holding back, no compromises etc and that Zen will be in the system. Not holding my breath, but hoping for the best.

And the big thing for me that I think a lot of people aren't focusing on regarding one of the other major reasons why i believe it will be Zen, is efficiency! Even if they thought about some of the other jaguar successors that have released since, I still think they would lean heavily in favor of Zen solely for what it might allow them to do on the GPU side if their CPU was ultra efficient while also guaranteeing them a certain, higher level of performance.

 

[Trago]

It's not jaguar

Sooo Puma?

 

[Primethius]

To me it's this kind of bull shit response that gets to me. Just because someone, including myself wants the system to be as powerful as possible, some people reduce to those wanting it or hoping for it will be reduced to tears. I get you are a PS4 fan, I am too, but regardless of system preference, I don't go on about hoping that someone that is looking forward to a new system gets "less" power in the system. I get that some things are unrealistic, but some of the responses like the one I quoted are really not needed in the thread. If you disagree, post your reasons for it.

Yes, he's the PS4 fan without a PS4.

Truly, the biggest fan around.

 

[m23]

To me it's this kind of bull shit response that gets to me. Just because someone, including myself wants the system to be as powerful as possible, some people reduce to those wanting it or hoping for it will be reduced to tears. I get you are a PS4 fan, I am too, but regardless of system preference, I don't go on about hoping that someone that is looking forward to a new system gets "less" power in the system. I get that some things are unrealistic, but some of the responses like the one I quoted are really not needed in the thread. If you disagree, post your reasons for it.

FYI I don't own a ps4.

I just think there is no point in spreading false hope. It would be great for Scorpio to be as powerful as possible, I just don't think this is happening. The reasoning makes absolutely no sense.

I will be buying Scorpio day one in any event.

 

[etta]

The ultimate in Microsoft engineering.

Das Xbox.

 

[bryanee]

Would using Zen be too expensive?