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[kendrake]

DQXI is coming, but other than that I don't see it. I think you're underselling what the 3DS got in 2016.

i probably am

all i can remember is yokai flopping and pokemon/mario maker doing well during the holidays

i think dq can make a meaningful impact on hardware sales if it comes early enough and the market chooses the 3ds over the switch when that happens

mhxx releasing in march also points to nintendo wanting its impact out of the way asap

nintendo is definitely waiting on how switch sells before they make anymore moves

 

[noshten]

3DS isn't getting Splatoon 2, so it's kinda of difficult for the system to be the best selling system of 2017. Splatoon 2 will be the biggest game of 2017 if it follows the same trajectory and same update model as the first game. I'd fully expect there to be LAN parties outside in parks and can't phantom how anyone doesn't think portable form factor doesn't make Switch the go-to gift for kids/squids and students. Switch will outsell Wii U in less than an year in Japan.

Once again people downplay Splatoon despite the game pretty much moving Wii U on it's own in its final decent year. A console that required a TV - while Switch is a portable that kids can use even at home without needing to get on the TV.

Going back to my original prediction that was based on Splatoon being a port/packin.

Anyhow as far as predictions for next year - I'd personally once again concentrate on my favorite Nintendo game. Since I'm always bullish and don't know the price of the Switch I'm going to speculate. Personally first year I'd fully expect the Switch to outsell Wii U LTD with ease in Japan provided there isn't any kind of shortages for the device and it isn't more expensive than $250 with Splatoon port. Also Splatoon in Japan to outsell the original's WW total something in the range of 4.5-5 million - that is the amount of Switches I'd expect sold in 2017 as well.
If it's $300 with Splatoon port I'd maybe go with a 3.5 mil firs year. $200 device with Splatoon is tough to call but I doubt they do it unless they are desperate.

Splatoon as a packin genius because it's a cultural phenomenon. Amiibo(along with other merch) sales in Japan and their prices in Japan demonstrate this. They can very easily just continue on with the game as a platform theme and make bank via merchandise and Splatfest licensing. Having your brand there for potentially millions of players proved pretty hilarious in Japan with the type of things that had Splatfests over there. Concerts and fresh fashion themed or art mobile apps could be fun. Like designing your own Tshirt or other gear via a mobile app would be a pretty good tiein that potentially can be aimed at several different demographics.

 

[kendrake]

3DS isn't getting Splatoon 2, so it's kinda of difficult for the system to be the best selling system of 2017. Splatoon 2 will be the biggest game of 2017 if it follows the same trajectory and same update model as the first game. I'd fully expect there to be LAN parties outside in parks and can't phantom how anyone doesn't think portable form factor doesn't make Switch the go-to gift for kids/squids and students. Switch will outsell Wii U in less than an year in Japan.

Once again people downplay Splatoon despite the game pretty much moving Wii U on it's own in its final decent year. A console that required a TV - while Switch is a portable that kids can use even at home without needing to get on the TV.

Going back to my original prediction that was based on Splatoon being a port/packin.

yeah switch will sell the most regardless of watever 3ds gets

nintendo won't let it flounder when its the only relevant system they have going forward

 

[Aostia]

It will be really, really funny if Nintendo announces Pokemon Stars in October and they announce it for both 3DS and Switch. Lol. Then we can have another 6 months of "but is the Switch really the 3DS successor?!" debates.

This could totally happen
Switch will fail hard, TPC could totally choose to try reaching decent LTD for the game on 3ds

I agree with many about Switch on paper being the natural outcome for many Nintendo And 3ds Games but due to how they decided to position It price and sw wise, it simply wont work

 

[Living the Dream]

yeah switch will sell the most regardless of watever 3ds gets

nintendo won't let it flounder when its the only relevant system they have going forward

Which points to their pricing being even more insane. Their one hardware going forward and everything about it is expensive.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Switch could be the best selling system ever - there is no way "Stars" or whatever the 3rdgame will be wont be on 3DS.

3DS is in line for one more price drop this year - so this will be the defacto system for DQXI and the next Pokemon.

 

[kendrake]

Which points to their pricing being even more insane. Their one hardware going forward and everything about it is expensive.

its $50 more than the expected price

less than ideal but not insane, they can easily mitigate this by releasing games and at worse a price drop

they're waiting on how switch sells just like everyone else is, i think its a bit early to write it off

remember how ps3 did at $599? turned out decent after all was said and done, same goes for 3ds

i think the fact that they didn't bundle the system with a game shows they're confident in its near future

Switch could be the best selling system ever - there is no way "Stars" or whatever the 3rdgame will be wont be on 3DS.

3DS is in line for one more price drop this year - so this will be the defacto system for DQXI and the next Pokemon.

i said ds at the highend but u are insane! delusional even!

 

[DarkLordMalik]

remember how ps3 did at $599? turned out decent after all was said and done, same goes for 3ds

So the PS3 launch is now decent when it was a disaster of epic proportions, lol.

It took the PS3 around 9 years to reach a respectable total and the support for it didn't arrive until 2-3 years in life cycle. PS4 had a much better support and cheaper price yet it didn't outsell the PS3 still by a huge margin. The market situation is just different now and this will have an effect on Switch as well.

 

[Aostia]

Switch wont sell 250k at launch, at this price and with this lineup wont reach 1,5 million at the end of the year
Good luck with relunching and rebranding that on the market with Nintendo third party relationship

 

[noshten]

Switch wont sell 250k at launch, at this price and with this lineup wont reach 1,5 million at the end of the year
Good luck with relunching and rebranding that on the market with Nintendo third party relationship

300K Launch
200K MK8 Deluxe Launch
500K Splatoon Launch
1 Million December

2 Million without even factoring anything besides Launch/MK8 Deluxe/Splatoon 2/December and I'm not even being especially bullish on the system. I mean just Splatoon 2 should guarantee 1.5 million in Sales being conservative.

 

[Eliseo]

Switch wont sell 250k at launch, at this price and with this lineup wont reach 1,5 million at the end of the year
Good luck with relunching and rebranding that on the market with Nintendo third party relationship

Saving this for the launch week.

 

[kendrake]

So the PS3 launch is now decent when it was a disaster of epic proportions, lol.

It took the PS3 around 9 years to reach a respectable total and the support for it didn't arrive until 2-3 years in life cycle. PS4 had a much better support and cheaper price yet it didn't outsell the PS3 still by a huge margin. The market situation is just different now and this will have an effect on Switch as well.

where did i say the launch was decent?

stop being a sdf for awhile please

Switch wont sell 250k at launch, at this price and with this lineup wont reach 1,5 million at the end of the year
Good luck with relunching and rebranding that on the market with Nintendo third party relationship

yup just like 3ds disappeared after its failed launch right?

apparently u know the whole switch lineup for the rest of the year too, brilliant

 

[Hellraider]

Switch wont sell 250k at launch, at this price and with this lineup wont reach 1,5 million at the end of the year
Good luck with relunching and rebranding that on the market with Nintendo third party relationship

I don't expect anything less than 300k for the launch. The weeks after that though...

 

[DarkLordMalik]

where did i say the launch was decent?

stop being a sdf for awhile please

The final sales turned out decent after multiple price cuts where the original price of 60k yen and above was slashed to 40k yen within 2 years, just as an example of price cut.

The sales for the console didn't pick up until the launch of Slim with a price of 30k yen. It was selling terribly until then in a market where Wii was lighting the charts on fire along with PSP and DS.

 

[cw_sasuke]

i said ds at the highend but u are insane! delusional even!

I dont think you understood my post at all. Read it again.

It doesnt matter how successful the Switch is or ends up being - there is no way that GameFreak/Nintendo will out on the money they would make from a 3DS Pokemon release in 2017. The installed base is too large to ignore and the system will still be the cheapest entry point for Nintendo consoles in 2017.

 

[Orgen]

Switch wont sell 250k at launch, at this price and with this lineup wont reach 1,5 million at the end of the year
Good luck with relunching and rebranding that on the market with Nintendo third party relationship

Hahahaha I'll see you moving the goalposts this summer ;D

 

[kendrake]

The sales turned out decent after multiple price cuts where the original price of 60k yen and above was slashed to 40k yen within 2 years.

The sales for the console didn't pick up until the launch of Slim with a price of 30k yen. It was selling terribly until then in a market where Wii was lighting the charts on fire along with PSP and DS.

it picked up pace when more software was released

did u think the slim sold based on hardware revision alone? wat do u think the slim released with?

sony consoles drop price on the regular, that is normal and for a console as expensive as the ps3, is that really a surprise?

I dont think you understood my post at all. Read it again.

It doesnt matter how successful the Switch is or ends up being - there is no way that GameFreak/Nintendo will out on the money they would make from a 3DS Pokemon release in 2017. The installed base is too large to ignore and the system will still be the cheapest entry point for Nintendo consoles in 2017.

it was sarcasm, i understood u perfectly

yeah i think 3ds/switch makes sense for 2017, they clearly wanna milk the 3ds for one more year so i wouldn't put it past them to do so

 

[cw_sasuke]

it was sarcasm, i understood u perfectly

yeah i think 3ds/switch makes sense for 2017, they clearly wanna milk the 3ds for one more year so i wouldn't put it past them to do so

Oh im sorry, guess i was the one having issues to understand.
I blame the hostile environment right now if you post anything other than that- the Switch and Nintendo are doomed ...lol.

 

[wrowa]

I guess it's in the realm of possibility that a portable Splatoon benefits from local multiplayer in a Monster Hunter-like way, but I'm not convinced that alone would be enough to sell pricey hardware.

Generally I'm a bit more skeptical regarding Splatoon 2 and I think it might actually fall somewhat flat. I think it's kinda early for a Splatoon 2 and after Splatoon 1 already carried the Wii U on its own for a while, I'm not sure if people are willing to buy yet another console for the same game. Outside of local, portable multiplayer I'm not seeing a huge draw either - it seems like it really is just a bit more of the same.

 

[kendrake]

Oh im sorry, guess i was the one having issues to understand.
I blame the hostile environment right now if you post anything other than that- the Switch and Nintendo are doomed ...lol.

lol all good

i gotta stop being sarcastic, cant do it like chris =[

its a nintendo launch so u know hostility will happen either way, probably the biggest reason why i want nintendo to succeed, the doubters need to see it to believe it

I guess it's in the realm of possibility that a portable Splatoon benefits from local multiplayer in a Monster Hunter-like way, but I'm not convinced that alone would be enough to sell pricey hardware.

Generally I'm a bit more skeptical regarding Splatoon 2 and I think it might actually fall somewhat flat. I think it's kinda early for a Splatoon 2 and after Splatoon 1 already carried the Wii U on its own for a while, I'm not sure if people are willing to buy yet another console for the same game. Outside of local, portable multiplayer I'm not seeing a huge draw either - it seems like it really is just a bit more of the same.

people bought a wii u solely for splatoon

dont think they have a problem buying the sequel and a console that has a whole future ahead of it, it isn't the same game, it's a sequel

 

[Sandfox]

I guess it's in the realm of possibility that a portable Splatoon benefits from local multiplayer in a Monster Hunter-like way, but I'm not convinced that alone would be enough to sell pricey hardware.

Generally I'm a bit more skeptical regarding Splatoon 2 and I think it might actually fall somewhat flat. I think it's kinda early for a Splatoon 2 and after Splatoon 1 already carried the Wii U on its own for a while, I'm not sure if people are willing to buy yet another console for the same game. Outside of local, portable multiplayer I'm not seeing a huge draw either - it seems like it really is just a bit more of the same.

It will be more than two years since the original when Splatoon 2 releases so I'm not really sure it's too soon.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Still bothers me that they didnt name is SplaTWOn, step your game up Nintendo.

 

[noshten]

I guess it's in the realm of possibility that a portable Splatoon benefits from local multiplayer in a Monster Hunter-like way, but I'm not convinced that alone would be enough to sell pricey hardware.

Generally I'm a bit more skeptical regarding Splatoon 2 and I think it might actually fall somewhat flat. I think it's kinda early for a Splatoon 2 and after Splatoon 1 already carried the Wii U on its own for a while, I'm not sure if people are willing to buy yet another console for the same game. Outside of local, portable multiplayer I'm not seeing a huge draw either - it seems like it really is just a bit more of the same.

Wii U is actually more expensive than the Switch. If you really wanted to get Switch you could resell your Wii U right now in Japan and you'd still get a good price because of the shortages and Nintendo not really manufacturing anymore.

The only question mark around Splatoon 2 is the paid online. Japanese kids aren't exactly rich and having to pay for online for Splatoon 2 would be an issue if it's expensive. That's why I said that it was interesting that it trended - I think if the reception is not good, Splatoon might be one of those games who's online doesn't require a paid sub or they might give you a free annual sub when you buy Splatoon for example. Either that or simply change position and sell Switch + Splatoon 2 for Y30,000.

 

[kendrake]

Still bothers me that they didnt name is SplaTWOn, step your game up Nintendo.

just creates unnecessary confusion, as "cool" as it may be

 

[Sandfox]

Still bothers me that they didnt name is SplaTWOn, step your game up Nintendo.

That would probably be too confusing when actually talking about the game.

Wii U is actually more expensive than the Switch. If you really wanted to get Switch you could resell your Wii U right now in Japan and you'd still get a good price because of the shortages and Nintendo not really manufacturing anymore.

The only question mark around Splatoon 2 is the paid online. Japanese kids aren't exactly rich and having to pay for online for Splatoon 2 would be an issue if it's expensive. That's why I said that it was interesting that it trended - I think if the reception is not good, Splatoon might be one of those games who's online doesn't require a paid sub or they might give you a free annual sub when you buy Splatoon for example. Either that or simply change position and sell Switch + Splatoon 2 for Y30,000.

Nintendo says that "most" games will require the paid online so I'm curious to see how that works. We also need to see how they're charging. If it were me I would probably try to adopt the Kids time thing from DQX for certain games.

 

[Oregano]

Don't forget that Minecraft is announced for Switch. Not clear when it's releasing but it's announced.

Basically Switch is stealing the Wii U and Vita's killer app in the first year. Next year is when it steals 3DS'(hopefully).

 

[kendrake]

lack of a 2d mario being announce hopefully means nintendo is changing the artstyle with their next lineup of games

need wacky nintendo back

Don't forget that Minecraft is announced for Switch. Not clear when it's releasing but it's announced.

Basically Switch is stealing the Wii U and Vita's killer app in the first year. Next year is when it steals 3DS'(hopefully).

vita can finally rip

 

[Chris1964]

Nintendo has overmilked 2d Mario. It was the main reason NSMBU failed to have big impact on Wii U, coming just a few months after NSMB2. SM3DW the same, it gave the impression it didn't offer anything different over SM3DL and offered little help increasing install base. Basically that was Wii U problem with most Nintendo franchiser. Things changed only when Splatoon came out. At least at that section Nintendo has done right moves with Zelda and Mario.

 

[kendrake]

Nintendo has overmilked 2d Mario. It was the main reason NSMBU failed to have big impact on Wii U, coming just a few months after NSMB2. SM3DW the same, it gave the impression it didn't offer anything different over SM3DL and offered little help increasing install base. Basically that was Wii U problem with most Nintendo franchiser. Things changed only when Splatoon came out. At least at that section Nintendo has done right moves with Zelda and Mario.

yep, im glad the old guard is taking a step back for fresh blood

need new ips and innovation across the board for nintendo franchises

 

[hiska-kun]

Wii U is actually more expensive than the Switch. If you really wanted to get Switch you could resell your Wii U right now in Japan and you'd still get a good price because of the shortages and Nintendo not really manufacturing anymore.

The only question mark around Splatoon 2 is the paid online. Japanese kids aren't exactly rich and having to pay for online for Splatoon 2 would be an issue if it's expensive. That's why I said that it was interesting that it trended - I think if the reception is not good, Splatoon might be one of those games who's online doesn't require a paid sub or they might give you a free annual sub when you buy Splatoon for example. Either that or simply change position and sell Switch + Splatoon 2 for Y30,000.

About the paid online, I wouldn't be surprised if local multiplayer becomes popular again. Thanks to portability, maybe the MH on PSP years might be back.
You don't need to pay online if you meet with your friends.

 

[viHuGi]

Switch wont sell 250k at launch, at this price and with this lineup wont reach 1,5 million at the end of the year
Good luck with relunching and rebranding that on the market with Nintendo third party relationship

Saved.

 

[ethomaz]

DQXI will do best on 3DS. That's pretty much accepted.

Who will be second fiddle is not set in stone. Having a sizeable lead in install base does not mean much especially in a franchise like Dragon Quest that pushes the hardware sales more than the opposite.

I believe Switch will steal sales from 3DS not PS4.

In sales terms: 3DS > PS4 >> Switch.

BTW the Switch version is a PS4 port or 3DS port???

 

[KtSlime]

I believe Switch will steal sales from 3DS not PS4.

In sales terms: 3DS > PS4 >> Switch.

BTW the Switch version is a PS4 port or 3DS port???

No one knows, but probably PS4, as the Switch is missing a second screen, but is supposedly a very capable UE4 machine.

BTW, Splatoon 2 video has been trending at the top on YouTube[jp] all day today, so I think it is safe to say, people are interested.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Nintendo has overmilked 2d Mario. It was the main reason NSMBU failed to have big impact on Wii U, coming just a few months after NSMB2. SM3DW the same, it gave the impression it didn't offer anything different over SM3DL and offered little help increasing install base. Basically that was Wii U problem with most Nintendo franchiser. Things changed only when Splatoon came out. At least at that section Nintendo has done right moves with Zelda and Mario.

WiiU was the reason it failed - there is just so much you can do to sell a 300 dollar console on a 2D platformer especially if a similar game is already out on a cheaper/more popular system.

Splatoon took off on WiiU because there was no substitute for it.

I believe Switch will steal sales from 3DS not PS4.

In sales terms: 3DS > PS4 >> Switch.

BTW the Switch version is a PS4 port or 3DS port???

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Switch has the potential to attract 3DS, Vita, WiiU and PS4 customers.

 

[noshten]

About the paid online, I wouldn't be surprised if local multiplayer becomes popular again. Thanks to portability, maybe the MH on PSP years might be back.
You don't need to pay online if you meet with your friends.

Satou Tatsuhiro "Online should be free"

Also its not quiet clear if you and your friends both have Switch devices if you can use one online sub and play together via the fact that the two Switch devices are in close proximity. There is simply too much about how the online will work with the way Switch is also geared towards local multiplayer. I doubt one house with multiple Switch devices wouldn't be able to use one sub for example.

 

[Chris1964]

I'm sure if I revisit Media Create threads after 3DS launch I'll find more crazy posts that 3DS is doomed no matter what comparing to Aostia and Co.

WiiU was the reason it failed - there is just so much you can do to sell a 300 dollar console on a 2D platformer especially if a similar game is already out on a cheaper/more popular system.

Splatoon took off on WiiU because there was no substitute for it.

If Wii U was the reason and not the opposite why NSMB2 failed on 3DS.

 

[Powwa]

I think Switch will follow a similar trend to the 3DS but most likely will end up selling less than 3DS. It has a weaker line up compared to Wii U and 3DS, has a paid online service, overpriced accessories and no backwards compatibility. Good thing is that they have Splatoon 2 lined up for 2017 because that will be the deciding factor on how it will perform in Japan.

 

[cw_sasuke]

If Wii U was the reason and not the opposite why NSMB2 failed on 3DS.

In what world are +2.5m sold failed ? NSMB DS was that big because it was the first 2D Mario in ages and the DS was the best selling console ever with incredible high weekly sales - thats nothing you can just recreate no matter how good the game you are offering is.

Same for NSMB Wii - first console 2D Mario in ages, the introduction of Multiplayer on a already established and very successful console .

For what it was NSMB 2 performed quite well.

 

[Chris1964]

If going from 5-6m+ to 2m+ and then to 1m+ in a matter of few years is a good performance for Nintendo's flagship title in Japan then going from 2m to 1m is a good performance for FF.

 

[schuelma]

Nintendo has overmilked 2d Mario. It was the main reason NSMBU failed to have big impact on Wii U, coming just a few months after NSMB2. SM3DW the same, it gave the impression it didn't offer anything different over SM3DL and offered little help increasing install base. Basically that was Wii U problem with most Nintendo franchiser. Things changed only when Splatoon came out. At least at that section Nintendo has done right moves with Zelda and Mario.

Right. The first party stuff shown yesterday is a ton better than Wii U, which was just really really stale. The problem is getting from launch to whenever Splatoon 2 launches.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

All this "where the support could be if not on switch" could be entertaining on forums for awhile but

It has been months since people started this game and everytime the goalpost is postponed. Now what are we waiting for to see actual games announced? 2018? And do you think this could work? A year on the market positioned as a (weak but pricy with thin and uninteresting support) home console and suddenly ALL third parties start to support a struggling Nintendo console? Is this a parallel universe?

And secondly, mass market doesnt follow with its purchases neither rumors nor forum assumptions. The only signs of switch getting the portable treatment software and price wise are assumptions done here. Nobody is gonna buy switch because "where the next level5/monster hunter should go within the next year?"

I think the reveal was pretty much squashed this. There were times some thought Switch would get all PS4/Vita support, and yet the reveal had Nintendo getting Suda 51 and Yakuza guy talking about games that have not even started development or have a name and announcements like SMTV which is years away. This wouldn't be so bad if 2017 did not have a wealth of Japanese games coming out, or if there weren't a lot of upcoming Japanese games announced prior.

The Switch isn't even out yet, every console is barren when first released. 3rd parties will come later, they always do.

What? The promise of third party support is something that is usually played a lot before a console launch and what the Switch showed was relatively disappointing to the point some people are wondering if this really is the 3DS's successor.

 

[Chris1964]

Right. The first party stuff shown yesterday is a ton better than Wii U, which was just really really stale. The problem is getting from launch to whenever Splatoon 2 launches.

Nintendo output for Switch first year is far better that Nintendo output for 3DS first year too. The big problem is the launch and what the system offers at that price.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

In what world are +2.5m sold failed ? NSMB DS was that big because it was the first 2D Mario in ages and the DS was the best selling console ever with incredible high weekly sales - thats nothing you can just recreate no matter how good the game you are offering is.

Same for NSMB Wii - first console 2D Mario in ages, the introduction of Multiplayer on a already established and very successful console .

For what it was NSMB 2 performed quite well.

You remind me of myself when I defended FFXV sales.

 

[cw_sasuke]

If going from 5-6m+ to 2m+ and then to 1m+ in a matter of few years is a good performance for Nintendo's flagship title in Japan then going from 2m to 1m is a good performance for FF.

There is more between failure and good performance. I didnt say the performance was amazing only that it was in line with expectations considering the system it was on.

If Wii/DS are your standard for every Nintendo release in the future they will all be bombas. If you cant recognize the circumstances that made them perform the way the did on Wii/DS thats more on you and not the games.

PS4 userbase is comparable to to the PS3 userbase when it got FF 13 so the comparison makes sense - 3DS and WiiU were a lot less successful than the predecessors when it comes to the casual market, which allowed NSMB to perform they way it did on Wii/DS.

You remind me of myself when I defended FFXV sales.

Cool.

 

[Chris1964]

Mario
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart

There is a reason Mario collapsed and the others saw stability or much smaller decrease from DS to 3DS.

 

[Aostia]

300K Launch
200K MK8 Deluxe Launch
500K Splatoon Launch
1 Million December

2 Million without even factoring anything besides Launch/MK8 Deluxe/Splatoon 2/December and I'm not even being especially bullish on the system. I mean just Splatoon 2 should guarantee 1.5 million in Sales being conservative.

are you seriously saying that splatoon will move 500k Switch console at launch?!!?!?

Saving this for the launch week.

Save that. Save also the post I just quoted above :/

where did i say the launch was decent?

stop being a sdf for awhile please


yup just like 3ds disappeared after its failed launch right?

apparently u know the whole switch lineup for the rest of the year too, brilliant

3ds launch DIDNT fail AT ALL
and even the sales after were disappointing for the 3ds potential, not in general

I don't expect anything less than 300k for the launch. The weeks after that though...

I can agree but I stay with my prediction
3d open world Zelda isn't exactly appealing for japan

Hahahaha I'll see you moving the goalposts this summer ;D

What about no?
a I didnt for Vita when I was among the few anticipating way better sales (still disappointing) after the absymal first 18 months , or when I didnt agree with the doom & gloom of ps4 compared to ps3 in japan unlike someone else now denying that approach
I stay with the pessimistic approach if price and software stay what they are.
do you have iinsider knowledge about a pokemon star bundle coming in october for Switch at 29000¥? If announced I will change my prediction
That is way different from moving goal post

Saved.

Ok..?

 

[kendrake]

mario will always be safe and its sales are split between many different versions

the same cant be said for the ff franchise

in sheer numbers ff has declined drastically, while mario is more of an underperformance

 

[cw_sasuke]

Mario
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart

There is a reason Mario collapsed and the others saw stability or much smaller decrease from DS to 3DS.

2D Mario "collapsed". DS didnt have a 3D Land type of game.
Pokemon always had consistent strong sales, no need to bring that one up.
AC performed really strong, no doubt about that one...but its not like they reinvented the wheel with this one - just a very popular IP and perfectly suited for handhelds. No homeconsole release this generation.

All im saying - the NSMB series started with NSMB on DS and Wii, two incredible successful system. If you really think Nintendo could have developed a Mario game that sold as much as the Wii game on WiiU - i mean...well...guess we just have to disagree on that.

 

[Chris1964]

2D Mario "collapsed".

What are you arguing then, that was my initial point.

 

[KtSlime]

What? The promise of third party support is something that is usually played a lot before a console launch and what the Switch showed was relatively disappointing to the point some people are wondering if this really is the 3DS's successor.

It's usually something that is played a lot at E3, TGS. That's when we will start seeing more are more support I am sure. It is very unlikely that every game in development has already been announced.

Rather than announce things now, they are saving them to show, if they showed the games now then people would say "show us something new, this has already been announced".

People seem to forget every launch how bleak the systems look, how few games, how mediocre the games are, and the incredibly long dry spell of news.