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GamesIndustry.biz: Where are the Xbox One's exclusives?
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
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Lucky? Luck has nothing to do with it. It's just smart management with a good long term strategy (at least for home console market, which is basically what Sony care about). This has enabled them to get a nice competitive advantage over the competition.
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
But GOW4 is a muli-player focus game, I think it can be infered from online community?
Crackdown being a mystery is a worry but the line up is quite decent, although not all huge games.
Halo Wars 2, Forza, Crackdown, State of Decay, Cuphead, Sea of Thieves and maybe Halo 3 Anniversary or Halo MCC Redux with that.
2018 is the shit show. Halo 6....and......
Last time i heard community was more-less dead.
Slightly enhanced. LMAO. Brilliant.
michaelius
Banned
That's a part of much bigger game - they have to force people to use their store somehow and that's relatively cheap way of doing it. Once they establish it they can hope third parties start releasing games there and that nice 30% royalty will go into Microsoft coffers instead of Valve.
Probably if you asked Microsoft CEO if he would sacrifice xbox division in exchange for windows 10 software monopoly he wouldn't even think for 5 seconds before saying yes.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I could have told you that when they were looking at doing it. Bringing their titles to PC is misplaced focus, based on feedback from a vocal few. Certainly Gears and Halo have no big market on the PC.
It supports cross-platform multiplayer, and even if a distinction were made, there's the fact that buying the game on XBL also grants you the WinStore version, which would muddy the numbers as far as ascertaining how many copies were purchased through the WinStore is concerned.
But I think placing the blame on PC players is misguided. The WinStore has managed to develop for itself a reputation of being tremendously unreliable, and whether intentional or not, Microsoft releasing Quantum Break on Steam five months after its initial release set a precedent.
Crackdown 3's launch will coincide with the Scorpio and be it's 'killer app', though I don't imagine there will be any significant Scorpio-centric releases, mainly just updates to pre and post release titles during that period. The Scorpio is not a new generation, unless Microsoft have changed their minds.
Sad Affleck
Member
Not true at all. It's the awful Windows Store that's the problem, not the games themselves or the lack of audience.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Bollocks. I mean, yeah, it contributes, but those games wouldn't sell a huge amount even on Steam.
Nightengale
Member
Well, anecdotally if we assume how it'll look this year vs last year, looking at new games and non-indie stuff...
2016:
DR4
FH3
Gears4
QB
ReCore
2017:
CD3
HW2
FM7
SoT
SoD2
Roughly the same amount of AAA exclusives for both years, assuming release window hits.
I mean, last year wasn't great but no one was calling it a bad year either?
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I'm not sure what it is exactly about Scalebound's cancellation that caused everybody to have meltdowns and decide now is the time to naval gaze about the xbox platform as a whole, but the exclusive slate has not substantially changed since 3 months ago. The last thread I remember reading about it seemed to be like 60/40 split as to whether it looked horrible or decent, in favor of the former.
By my reckoning, what the Microsoft slate is missing is one or two high profile, story driven prestige projects. Halo used to be this, but the industry's tastes changed and people aren't as excited about such an old franchise. What people seem to go gaga over come E3 are story driven games with great graphics. Ultimately, when people say "Xbox has no games" what it's really code for is "there is nothing in the same niche as Uncharted / Tlou / that new cinematic looking god of war". There is nothing blowing people away with animation quality that looks like it's going to make critics cry come awards season. Because in terms of games, there's definitely stuff coming out, the latest Gears was well received, the last Halo was well received, the Forzas continue to do well every year, there's some MMO water thing coming out, people are for some reason excited about Crackdown (if it ever ships), there's even a fucking RTS coming out. When was the last time there was a big console RTS? But even going back a year or two, the only thing filling that niche, the one that gets people hyped, was a timed exclusive that just pissed most people off rather than getting them excited about the platform.
With Scorpio coming out, I think it's plausible that they're holding one or two cards close to their chest to act as "Scorpio launch titles", which will probably run a bit crummy on vanilla XBO but look stunning on Scorpio. But I doubt there's going to be much in the way of new AAA action adventure franchises with a strong narrative focus. I don't know if the Xbox team considers anything like that to be an actual high priority. There's definitely going to be new first and third person shooters, there's definitely going to be racing games, there's going to be fighting games. And they'll all be well reviewed, but for the most part the people here won't care much, because it's all pretty passé.
By my reckoning, what the Microsoft slate is missing is one or two high profile, story driven prestige projects. Halo used to be this, but the industry's tastes changed and people aren't as excited about such an old franchise. What people seem to go gaga over come E3 are story driven games with great graphics. Ultimately, when people say "Xbox has no games" what it's really code for is "there is nothing in the same niche as Uncharted / Tlou / that new cinematic looking god of war". There is nothing blowing people away with animation quality that looks like it's going to make critics cry come awards season. Because in terms of games, there's definitely stuff coming out, the latest Gears was well received, the last Halo was well received, the Forzas continue to do well every year, there's some MMO water thing coming out, people are for some reason excited about Crackdown (if it ever ships), there's even a fucking RTS coming out. When was the last time there was a big console RTS? But even going back a year or two, the only thing filling that niche, the one that gets people hyped, was a timed exclusive that just pissed most people off rather than getting them excited about the platform.
With Scorpio coming out, I think it's plausible that they're holding one or two cards close to their chest to act as "Scorpio launch titles", which will probably run a bit crummy on vanilla XBO but look stunning on Scorpio. But I doubt there's going to be much in the way of new AAA action adventure franchises with a strong narrative focus. I don't know if the Xbox team considers anything like that to be an actual high priority. There's definitely going to be new first and third person shooters, there's definitely going to be racing games, there's going to be fighting games. And they'll all be well reviewed, but for the most part the people here won't care much, because it's all pretty passé.
The only basis for comparison is Quantum Break, but there's no way of knowing whether or not the ~82k sales it has accrued since last September is bad as we don't have WinStore figures.
What am I missing here ? Isn't it a similar CPU ? And 2 more TFs? Hardly game changing . Games will look a little better for sure , but it's still stuck with the xbone, games will have to play on both . It's not a next gen console
Jaguar Victory
Member
I hope they come up with something cool. Im buying the Scorpio either way as I have an unnatural love for Halo and it'll be the best place to play Destiny 2 and other multiplats. Keeping my Pro for exclusives for sure.
We don't know. 2TF and a purported extra 4 gigs of ram running at a much higher bandwidth with new GPU architecture. Could be great huh?
We don't know. 2TF and a purported extra 4 gigs of ram running at a much higher bandwidth with new GPU architecture. Could be great huh?
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Because Windows store or whatever it's called is shocking.
Crayon
Member
Here's your enhancement in a nutshell.
Imagine tiling 4 of those onto your 4ktv to get the idea.
Would you call Microsoft's first party games Xbox exclusive even though they come out on PC?
Jaguar Victory
Member
What do you think they'll do with the extra ram and bandwidth?
Sort of. They're exclusive to the Xbox on the console side. Alternatively, you (as in the royal "you") might say they're UWP exclusives as the PC versions are only available on the WinStore/XBL.
Nightengale
Member
This.
Sure , but are third party game devs going to focus on a console that is getting outsold 2-1 or whatever it is now ? Doubt it.
Because GAF, largely, seems to want singleplayer games and JRPGs over many of the multiplayer-focused titles MS tends to put out. Hell, even the singleplayer games they did make, barely anyone bought. So what's the point anymore if even their efforts to bring people into the fold fell flat?
Multiplayer-wise, this year is looking pretty decent.
Besides:
This one's right.
WaterAstro
Member
MS should buy Nintendo
MS will buy Nintendo, let them do poorly, then shut them down.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
And I ask, what is the point of Scorpio really? The xbox one has barely any exclusives going for it, many of its console exclusive titles are also coming to PC/Windows 10. For the price that comes with Scorpio, you could easily set up a stronger PC or something equally as strong with spare money to buy additional games for it.
Fixed that for you.
JimiNutz
Banned
I wonder how MS and Nintendo would do against Sony? Would probably be good for gamers? MS and Nintendo together would surely give Sony some fierce competition.
Going by sales, not that many people want them.
Nintendo and Microsoft would never gel together well. Team Xbox has a completely different attitude towards what makes their games fun than Nintendo does--competition versus for everyone. Beyond that, their corporate cultures are completely at odds with each other. Y'all are dreaming if you think it'd work in this reality.
Can I see those numbers? Because it looks like you have something I don't.
Can I see those numbers? Because it looks like you have something I don't.
Well said.
The idea that the only thing special to the PlayStation are AAA narrative driven character games like Uncharted is a weirdly created straw man. Persona isn't like Uncharted. Nierr isn't like Uncharted. Nioh isn't like Uncharted.
Right now the Xbox has a very limited library compared to the PlayStation, and its exclusives tend to focus on only a few genres. I don't see how that can be denied really.
Right now the Xbox has a very limited library compared to the PlayStation, and its exclusives tend to focus on only a few genres. I don't see how that can be denied really.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Call it a hunch, but I think all of this will be cleared up oh in about 6 months give or take.
/gut feeling
Excellent game. I'll be double dipping when they do.
/gut feeling
Excellent game. I'll be double dipping when they do.
Jaguar Victory
Member
If they can do it on PC I'm sure they can do it here. Every new console launch install base started at zero and we had cross platform games. They can get it done.
While Sony got both.
Isn't the fact that there are no numbers indication enough ? Do you need numbers to know PS4 is outselling XBO worldwide ? Do Sunset Overdrive, Quantum Break, Recore etcs chart positions or lack thereof not tell you they failed to take off ? Or that the only one of the big three not to be on a massivs decline to be Forza ? I think it's fair to say, Xbox Ones exclusive offerings haven't been making the commercial impact they should be.
Wasn't Scalebound voted GAF's most anticipated XBO title ?
El-Pistolero
Member
Is it? They have all the major third party games, plus some nice in-house software. It looks like an average MS year to me; not spectacular, but not crappy either.
The three examples you used are JRPGs or Japanese action games (I assume "Nicer" means Nier), both genres that Microsoft have tried and failed to garner interest for time and time again. It's incredibly difficult for me to take seriously an argument for these kinds of games on Xbox when A) the history of success with these titles on this platform is spotty at best, and B) it's argued for the sake of diversity, not taking into account what the company's focus is and where they should aim their attention given that context.
Arguing something simply for the sake of it is a bad argument. Diversity can be achieved in ways which take into account the company's focus and historical strengths.
We have had very capable people--in this very forum!--extrapolate sales figures from data provided in various NPD and similar threads, and you're telling me you can't find at least some number to give me? Halo 5 charted at the top of its launch month of October, and continued to chart in November. Gears of War 4 took the number four spot in October of 2016. While sales of both series historically declined, they're not at astronomical levels.
The games you cited were indeed commercial flops, but they were all new singleplayer IPs, for a console that wasn't selling as well as its competitor, and on a platform better known historically for decent support of first and third party multiplayer-focused games. They've been making the amount of commercial impact they could possibly do in this context. The question is, where does Microsoft go from here?
This is a really spot on post. No doubt that the Scalebound cancellation was bad but it was never make or break for the full Xbox lineup since there were more games releasing outside of it. Some are acting as if it was the only game in the system's lineup.
Every year this gen for the most part MS' lineup gets criticized during H1 only for it to get praised in H2 since Sony's becomes light due to their reasonable reliance on third party games and deals during the Holiday season. It's been going back and forth between the two on these forums for at least three years and I find it funny that some still don't see this.
It's rarely about having games when it comes to criticizing a console's lineup -- it's about whether those games appeal to the person and as you said, many here that criticize the Xbox's lineup seem to prefer JRPGs and single player games.
Anyway, there's still a typical amount of Xbox console exclusive content coming this year. 2018 looks bleak though as of right now but hopefully E3 will give a clearer picture for that period. Seems that we can at least expect Halo 6 and Forza Horizon 4 -- both being the first games of their respective series made with Scorpio in mind.
It's similar to saying Xbox is only Forza/Gears/Halo. There's more outside of that.
It honestly isn't true. Xbox One has a library of titles in pretty much every genre outside of JRPGs and sports that aren't available on Nintendo or PlayStation.
That... actually makes sense. Some Microsoft higher-ups do dislike the Xbox Division, right? It would be a silent and steady take over.
Maybe down the line we start seeing Windows Store Exclusives that will be ported later to Xbox.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Except the games on Xbox are doing way better than on the Windows Store. The Windows Store is not catching on other than Forza, KI, and maybe Minecraft. Killing off the Xbox just to make the Windows Store more appealing would be the most pointless strategy ever.
They see that their exclusives are all taking a hit outside of Forza which more than likely grew in sales thanks to it being available on both Xbox and PC. Forza Horizon 3 being a great game and Xbox pretty much being the only console that has regular car racing releases doesn't hurt either though.
If their exclusives can grow in sales due to them being avilable on PC too then that will be a good thing for the brand as a whole and help make console-only gamers want to buy the console. Sales clearly show that people are buying consoles to mainly play multiplats. Xbox games being available on PC aren't going to hurt the console much in my opinion. I would feel different if those games were going to the other consoles though obviously.
The thing is that alot of people was really hyped for what a Halo/Forza/Gears was gonna play and look like on the new console, now that they have seen it and played it, I think most gamers want something new and fresh, thats why Scalebound was so important for those gamers, it representanted MS taking a chance on a new story driven AAA game. The titles coming this year is more of the same expect a few titles. Considering MS have burnt so many bridges with third party devs, both in Phils statements and projects stopped, I think many have started raising questions on MS commitment for taking risks on new ips and exclusives. After PSX Sony raised the concern for more xbox gamers, even saw some of the most diehard fanboys on Youtube raising doubt on MS commitment. I think its a valid concern and E3 will be very important for MS to win back some of the lost confidence they have among some gamers.
I was talking about exclusives.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I think E3 is MS's last chance to put a strong foot forward for exclusive software this gen. I mean, we're obviously going to see new Gears, Halo, Forza and Ori instalments, but hopefully Spencer's rhetoric about valuing first-party software isn't just bullshit and they're going to have some actually new stuff to show. I mean, with Scorpio on the horizon you'd think they'd have some genuinely new stuff to show, and we're about three years since Spencer took over the division so if he greenlit new games then we're probably about due to be seeing them this E3.