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GamesIndustry.biz: Where are the Xbox One's exclusives?
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
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This is a solid point. There has been a current gen release for all "MS big three" series now that we're past the release of Gears of War 4.
They definitely need to bring it at E3 this year and give a clearer picture for what's coming in 2018. If they have to rely on digital titles to give the console more diversity, with those titles then hopefully becoming "AA-like" retail releases and growing into new franchises like Ori then so be it. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. More games are more games regardless of how they are distributed.
Dinky Dino
Member
Most people own 1 platform and aren't enthusiasts which have several. It's also why you see so much console warring and defensive fanboys. They don't want to pay 2 or so subs just to get online on all of them every year so they serve to lock people in these days.
For these people, a console like the ps4 or xbox one will do. So when the scorpio comes out, some will likely purchase it to get the best version of call of duty and what not. The ps4 was really popular because it had slightly higher res AND was 100 dollars cheaper so it obviously snowballed. Who would pay 100 dollar more for a weaker system with negative pr? Only the most loyal fans, people who must love xbox franchises or uninformed individuals. At launch I'd argue the xbox one had the better lineup but it didn't mean anything next to price/power. Imo, things will get more interesting if MS hits that 400 dollar price range but sony will likely lower their price as well so you gotta factor that in too. PC gaming is even deeper in the enthusiast area since the best way you'll match a console is by researching parts and building one yourself and not everyone will do that. It gets no advertising or marketing as well like consoles do consistently.
So games being on windows 10 or whatever doesn't mean anything to those guys since someone that wants to play say forza won't be able to do so having a ps4/pro alone and is looking into consoles only.
I guess we'll see.
Melchiah
Member
I imagine some of them will end up on Switch as well, if it becomes a popular platform in Japan.
As a non-Xbox owner I find this reassuring, since it means the 3rd party timed exclusives won't be as common as they were last gen. The same goes for not being able to enforce the indie parity clause to the same extent as before. That's why the first half of last gen wasn't that good for those who didn't play on the 360.
Yes it is True Ps4 line up is far more Diverse. Only genre X1 has the edge is Racing Forza is annual so that would explain it.
Far more diverse in what sense? Set the range, please. List genres.
Dont see other console platforms coming with a RTS and a MMO?
I was commenting on the Xbox One lacking game diversity, not whether or not the PlayStation has more diversity.
As I said in my post, the Xbox One has titles for pretty much every genre outside of JRPG and Sports that aren't available on Nintendo and PlayStation. Racing, action-adventure, FPS, TPS, platformer, fighter, RTS, etc.
Does KT games (Nobunaga, ecc) count as strategy games for console?
Bitch Pudding
Member
Sure, a list war is exactly what this thread needs right now.
Please don't
Concering ThoseDeafMutes post, one ace is obviously Forza 7. The other one is probably Crackdown 3. At least nothing we heard so far indicates that any studio is working on something "big" (and ready to launch on 2017) which has no "Gears" or "Halo" in its title.
The other thing is, while I agree that games like SoT and Forza will be super well received, they don't play in the same ballpark like Gears and Forza. Not even close. Without a proper Halo or Gears (or any title which comes close to them sales-wise) MS seems to rely on Scorpio's sheer power as its major sales driver. At least for 2017, that is.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Sony fucked up royally with the PS3 and had to learn a very painful lesson. Powerful hardware will only get you so far, good software is what sells systems. Sony had no choice but to ramp up their first party output and quality.
Microsoft haven't acknowledged this yet. They simply coasted to success with the 360 on the back of third parties making the 360 versions of games more polished than the PS3 offerings.
So going into the Xbone launch Microsoft thought it would be business as usual like the 360 generation. They didn't pay much attention to diversifying their first party output because they expected third parties to fill the gap again. The Xbone launch didn't go as intended. Third parties quickly realised they could sell more units on PS4 and are reluctant to build Xbox exclusives.
So Microsoft are left with their existing franchises that are looking ever more tired. Not only this but they have no idea how to fill the third party void themselves with new content. So they are going back to the well once more to ressurect even older franchises such as Killer Instinct and Crackdown. Updating old classics is less risky than new properties.
They're already out of ideas. Knowing how long software takes to write they have very little up their sleeves for the Scorpio launch.
With Microsoft obviously tightening the purse strings it's not looking good for the Xbox division unless they can pull some as yet unannounced rabbits out of the hat.
Interesting times.
Microsoft haven't acknowledged this yet. They simply coasted to success with the 360 on the back of third parties making the 360 versions of games more polished than the PS3 offerings.
So going into the Xbone launch Microsoft thought it would be business as usual like the 360 generation. They didn't pay much attention to diversifying their first party output because they expected third parties to fill the gap again. The Xbone launch didn't go as intended. Third parties quickly realised they could sell more units on PS4 and are reluctant to build Xbox exclusives.
So Microsoft are left with their existing franchises that are looking ever more tired. Not only this but they have no idea how to fill the third party void themselves with new content. So they are going back to the well once more to ressurect even older franchises such as Killer Instinct and Crackdown. Updating old classics is less risky than new properties.
They're already out of ideas. Knowing how long software takes to write they have very little up their sleeves for the Scorpio launch.
With Microsoft obviously tightening the purse strings it's not looking good for the Xbox division unless they can pull some as yet unannounced rabbits out of the hat.
Interesting times.
What would they even do with it? Why?!
Is it really worth it just to get Master Chief in Smash?
Well, it seems they and the other gentleman were attempting to get me to start a list, but I was adamant about not rising to the bait. They want a list, they make the list.
And I agree, to a certain extent. I feel as though, if the reception for SoT and Crackdown (which is what I believe you meant) is stellar, and Microsoft hypes them up in all the right ways (*cough* pre-release open beta *cough*), those games are poised to be big success stories. Hopefully. But I can hope all I want in one hand and spit in another, and it's obvious which one will fill up first, so.
Third party titles were going to be a major launch sales driver either way (as it was for PS4 Pro) but yeah, I agree.
I wonder if we'll see Scorpio patches for all recent (2015+) Xbox exclusives at launch.
Melchiah
Member
There isn't quite as much horror games on the platform either, albeit mostly because some of the indies, like SOMA and The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, haven't been released on XBO. In the beginning of the last gen it was opposite situation, with games like Condemned and Bioshock being (timed) exclusives to the 360.
Kazuma Kiryu
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This isn't exactly new, Microsoft has been lacking in this department for a while.
Psycho_Mantis
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I really am bewildered by Xbox's strategy: the whole having first party games on PC is removing all exclusivity from the platform for what reason? Surely the decreased sales is worth it due to the system building up a list of exclusives that will actively make it more enticing throughout the years. Or do the Xbox team have such little confidence in that proposal?
Their first party situation has been truly tragic when you look at the potential they had. Bungie, Bioware, Lionhead, Crytek, Rare, Epic etc......these could of all either been first party studios if cultivated rightly or at the very least strong second parties and yet the result is the opposite.
They are in a very tough spot content wise and its primarily due to poor handling of development studios, first party and third party.
Their first party situation has been truly tragic when you look at the potential they had. Bungie, Bioware, Lionhead, Crytek, Rare, Epic etc......these could of all either been first party studios if cultivated rightly or at the very least strong second parties and yet the result is the opposite.
They are in a very tough spot content wise and its primarily due to poor handling of development studios, first party and third party.
KonradLaw
Member
Yes, but those japanese devs are increasingly beginning to understant that there's a lot of business sense in putting those games on PC, so even on that front the number of PS4 exclusives will be going down with time.
They release their games on PC for additional revenue.
I'm 100% certain if early XB1 exclusives sold better they wouldn't release their games on PC.
As it stands most (if not all) first & second party games sold average at best.
Technically Nobunaga's ambition is an RTS, and FF14 is obviously an MMO
Sure but that isn't my main point. My main point is that these two companies need to learn from each other in certain ways
SporeCrawler
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It would make sense for them to have a premier FPS franchise I guess if they want to dwelve into the hardcore market but they are not aiming at that
Melchiah
Member
If Bioware and Bungie had kept releasing games only on Xbox, I would have felt compelled to buy the system. It's better for my wallet that they didn't, but not for their platform.
Getting more people to play their exclusive titles while at the same time realizing that many that buy consoles don't care about PC gaming -- hence why current gen console sales are being greatly driven by multiplats.
Forza Horizon 3 is part of a spin off series but yet it's the biggest Forza launch so far (it being available on PC more than likely helping). I don't see how the strategy hurt Forza there; Some still bought an Xbox One (S) for the game. If anything it has caused Forza to be more popular.
I'm sure MS wants the strategy to eventually work/help their other (console) exclusive series.
I don't think it was even fine before Scalebound. The complaints were there. But its cancellation made a lot of people think about the fact that MS only has about 2 or 3 games coming out for the whole of this year that would attract anyone to the Xbox platform now that one of their most high profile got canned.
Castef
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Also, if a game is on PC too it disappears from Xbox One.
EternalDarko
Member
I swapped in my OG PS4 for an Xbox One when I got the Pro and to be honest im really disappointed with the lineup and certainly the limited amount of exclusives. The PS4 is my main console this gen so all multiplatform stuff is obviously played on that. Even the Wii u has far better games than the One which is hilarious considering how things were with the 360.
Regardless, I'll keep the system for whatever decent game comes out and I am at least catching up on the small backlog. But overall, it's a very disappointing lineup.
Regardless, I'll keep the system for whatever decent game comes out and I am at least catching up on the small backlog. But overall, it's a very disappointing lineup.
mejin
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What MS lacks is future perspective and they put themselves in this situation: fewer first party support + reduced 3rd party support. Spencer did a lot for hardware + apps + new features, but after 3 years I can say he lacks the same effort with software.
Scalebound was their biggest and different ip from years and they cancelled it. It doesn't matter how they tried to sugar coat the situation it is a huge blow to their lineup for 2017.
Scalebound was their biggest and different ip from years and they cancelled it. It doesn't matter how they tried to sugar coat the situation it is a huge blow to their lineup for 2017.
The Salt Life
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For a lot of their audience it's all they need.
Anecdotal evidence time
I realized the other day the only games my friends play on Xbox are cooperative team work games. Overwatch, Battlefield, Destiny, and soon enough we will be playing Sea of Thieves. You don't need exclusives to be successful.
Just because Xbox is not selling gangbusters numbers don't mean it's trouble. It's mostly a Western focused system. I'm ok with that.
Another year, another "Xbox isn't going to be around" post.
maverick40
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I keep asking myself the same question. Why would anyone pick an Xbox over a PS4?
Microsoft are not making it easy for people.
Microsoft are not making it easy for people.
I share this concern. I am getting Halo Wars 2 in February but after that I really don't know when I will get another game on my One. I am a Halo and Gears fan but I do not care for Forza, and I have a Pro. It seems like it will be a 4K blu ray player for a while.
Now would be a good time for a Ryse sequel, Alan Wake 2, something like that.
Now would be a good time for a Ryse sequel, Alan Wake 2, something like that.
Yeah. Was definitely an opinion people held amidst the Xbox 360 growing the brand 300%, or during the assumed ascension of the XBOne as the defacto leader. Definitely not a brand new assessment of a brand new situation. Everything is A-OK. Evidenced by an article from GamesIndustry entitled "Where are the Xbox One's exclusives?". Totally normal. Nothing amiss.
Really? I don't see how Halo wars 2, a sequel to State of Decay, Sea of thieves and Crackdown 3 is a weak lineup considering that they are all major titles, possibly overlooking some smaller titles as well. I do agree that Scalebound would have made that lineup even more enticing and more complete, as a character driven open world action rpg with dragons sounds very attractive and is something (imo) that they need , but nonetheless i don't understand the heavy criticism for the actual lineup, as it's not terrible.
And i don't necessarily agree with Halo-Gears-Forza being viewed as something bad, as the latter 2's latest entries have been very well received.
You're right, it's not a brand new assessment.
I'm only pointing out that this "assessment" is entertaining. No harm.
The Salt Life
Banned
Pro Controller for starters, that thing is the best way to play FPS on the market right now hands down.
I have a 4k tv so obviously a 4k Blu ray player is the obvious choice.
But mostly the pro controller and the UI, I love going into the store and seeing game clips, not staged clips presented by devs but gameplay by real people like myself. Xbox has apps the PlayStation does not as well. I like achievements over trophy, I like being able to change my Gamertag. I mean now we are just talking little details but still. It's not hard to figure out that both systems appeal to the gaming audience in different ways.
The Xbox controller, Forza Horizon, Halo although love and hate, BC, few gems here and there. Microsoft do good things. Sony has more games and I enjoy those too but Xbox has always been more comfortable for me particularly the controller, I just wish they weren't on the slide and did more.
Just sold my XB1 Elite console today but kept the controller because it's so good. It's still not as good as M & K, but it'll do for being lazy. The UI I absolutely despised though. All I want on boot is my games in a list.
Shame I don't have good vibes about the platform as a whole anymore.
I think they should've bought Remedy out, especially after Quantum Break.
Even though QB didn't do great, It would easily give MS that go to internal studio that can produce an AAA single player focused game. That's of course, if producing AAA single player games are still in MS's plans.
Even though QB didn't do great, It would easily give MS that go to internal studio that can produce an AAA single player focused game. That's of course, if producing AAA single player games are still in MS's plans.
Man, Even if Nintendo sells, y'all already know Disney first in line. Everybody at Nintendo would love to see Mario & Pikachu hangout with Micky Mouse & Darth Vader at Disneyland, than hangout with Master Chief & Marcus Fenix on Xbox & PC. lolNintendo and Microsoft would never gel together well. Team Xbox has a completely different attitude towards what makes their games fun than Nintendo does--competition versus for everyone. Beyond that, their corporate cultures are completely at odds with each other. Y'all are dreaming if you think it'd work in this reality.
Agree with all but I think it's pretty obvious why Scalebound has triggered this:
- It goes right back to early XB1 launch
- It's been given high profile coverage
- The developer is highly regarded in gaming circles
- The game was different enough from normal MS IP to have driven a lot of interest/buying intent
Thus the "noise" of the cancellation drew spotlight on the situation from media although murmurs of concern has been growing.
It was the tipping point for many I believe to shift from MS may have a problem with quantity/variety of exclusives to MS do have a problem with quantity/variety
The article calls it the straw that broke the camel's back: which is just what we all called the tipping point before the name shifted as the concept got "rediscovered".
That's pretty much it. The other factor is it occurred the year Scorpio will launch so it's raising concerns what software the device will have too.
- They like the Microsoft exclusives more than the Sony exclusives
- They like the controller better
- They like the Microsoft ecosystem better
- Backwards compatibility
- They want a system that can do 4k BR
- Their friends are on Xbox
Not sure why you need to keep asking yourself such a silly question when there are plenty of obvious reasons why you might want to choose an Xbox over a PlayStation (and vice versa).
Fancyyyyyy!