Third party voting on a national level is pointless right now. You want to build up a new party, start at the local/state level before expecting everyone else to get in line behind you.
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Third party voting on a national level is pointless right now. You want to build up a new party, start at the local/state level before expecting everyone else to get in line behind you.
pokeystaples
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Darryl M R
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- I don't read about politics anywhere after 8pm
- I am more active in my community (I recently joined the board of directors for my old high school)
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- I'm focusing heavily in streamlining my career and success (Enrolling in courses outside of my firm and within and committing to meaningful networking)
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RumblingRosco
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Every time I get pissed, I write a letter to someone in politics or an advocacy group. One letter per day so far.
SliceSabre
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Ignoring it. Nothing I can do to stop him and other liberals are too lazy to vote so w/e.
I don't' care anymore. I'm black so it isn't like my life was gonna change much under either one of them anyway.
I don't' care anymore. I'm black so it isn't like my life was gonna change much under either one of them anyway.
Don't understand this. If this is why people didn't vote or voted third party then they are all to fucking blame.
Everything he is doing now, is everything he was doing before. Ridiculous tweets. Ridiculous tangents based on petty bullshit and a thin skin. Prioritizing "greatness" over climate, foreign relations, and plain decency. He's probably lied consistently at least once a month directly to the public, probably more.
Anyone voting for him is getting EXACTLY what they wanted. And in all honesty, more future presidents should at least follow the path of immediately setting things in motion that they said they would. Maybe people are used to months of compromise preventing immediate action, so they are surprised he is getting to his talking points so fast. Other than that, NO ONE should be fucking surprised.
A large portion of the country wanted this, or were at least indifferent to it. All I do is try to literally ignore the bullshit news I see day to day, and wait patiently for a major organization to systematically start calling out this motherfucker for all his lying and bullshit
We keep fucking shit up!
It's only pointless if people don't vote for the third party...you don't see how this prophecy is self fulfilling? When will it ever not be pointless?
It won't be pointless when 3rd parties have a realistic shot at the win. They need to have already infiltrated politics in multiple smaller government positions and have grand public visibility before hoping to win the presidency
Voting for them in a presidential race is a waste of time, and equivalent of a non vote
The "surface" is amended in an attempt to please, to adhere - enough... enough to cross an arbitrary line of (visual) decorum, with the (likely) potential to inhibit backlash at the time. To inhibit resistance.
Every creature is dead to something, oblivious, ignorant; no attachment, consideration or ethical concern, until it presents itself. That may never happen.
I think it's incredibly arrogant to expect people to line up for you en-masse on a national level when you can't even compete on a local/state level. "Oh, people should just do what I do" is narcissistic and lacks insight into how individuals respond in the real world.
The reason 3rd parties fail in this country is because they fail to compete at any level of government, and then expect people to line up behind them when the most important office is up for grabs. Like...what the fuck did you expect? Learn how to compete at the local/state level, then congressional level before ya'll think people should jump ship to a 3rd party. Their failure is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It's pointless period. Even if somehow by a miracle you elected a 3rd party president they'd be at odds with both the Dems and Republicans in office.
I wish I had the balls to go into politics. I'm awesome at getting people to like me, but I have this stupid tramua induced trigger that makes me cry if people are mad at me. I have no legal or political background, or any money, but hey, at least I care about folk?
I'd be fucking torn apart. It would be cool to one of the first native women state senators though.
I'd be fucking torn apart. It would be cool to one of the first native women state senators though.
rootbeerafloat
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I'm trying to just accept it. Anything good I thought society might achieve in my lifetime was just a pipe dream. I won't join these monsters, but they've won, and if the damage can be undone it won't be until long after I'm dead. I won't spend the rest of my life stressing out over something I can't change.
And attitudes like this have nothing to do with the perception people have of 3rd parties.
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The point isn't to elect a president (immediately, anyways), the point is to get 5% so they can get funding to run a decent, national campaign
andythinkpad
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I think America is steering toward a Snow Crash style libertarian dystopia. In other words, a minimal federal government with many of the current federal government functions being replaced by for profit monopoly companis or governments in the state level for larger coastal states.
These are also quasi state private clubs ypu can join to give you physical and financial protections.
These are also quasi state private clubs ypu can join to give you physical and financial protections.
A national campaign to what? Elect a third party president? So the point still stands, you're going to have a 3rd party president in office that has very few allies.
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The problem isn't them never getting enough votes. The problem is that them ever getting enough votes is terrifying.
Unless a large party completely collapses and dissolves very rapidly, the rise of a third party would be gradual process that ensures control to whichever party is just sitting on the sidelines watching.
A large party being divided by a smaller--but an increasingly significant one--would keep them both from having power until the power struggle resolves itself with one of them consuming the voters of other.
"Bruh, you should totally come see my buddy's show. He's only played a couple open mic nights but we're trying to sell out Madison Square Gardens."
If you don't realize how idiotic this concept is, I'm not sure I can convince you. My "attitude" has nothing to do with keeping 3rd parties down. If a LOCAL politician was running and their policies more closely matched my own, I would vote them full stop. If that politician then worked their way up to my congressional representative, I would vote for them too! If that person and their party then became nationwide and started winning congressional seats around the country and having a say at the big boys table, then AND ONLY THEN should they even be thinking about running for President.
What I will NOT do is vote for a 3rd party with NO chance of winning, regardless of whether they're trying to get that 5% or not, because that 5% they didn't even get cost us the election and now we're fucked.
I've pretty much been in this sort of mindset since brexit.
yanipheonu
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A good dose of schadenfreude at Trump being completely unpleaseable helps.
I usually appeal to a longer view of history. There were always going to be stretches of undesirable times in history, and I'm not going to get particularly angry about this particular permutation. It could always be worse, and despite Trump, I'm still happy to be living in this particular time period of available internet and relative peace.
I dunno, just live your life and try to make the world around you a better place. Trump didn't change those particular rules for me.
I usually appeal to a longer view of history. There were always going to be stretches of undesirable times in history, and I'm not going to get particularly angry about this particular permutation. It could always be worse, and despite Trump, I'm still happy to be living in this particular time period of available internet and relative peace.
I dunno, just live your life and try to make the world around you a better place. Trump didn't change those particular rules for me.
But you can't introduce a third party into the current two party system! Even if a third party somehow gained traction, you would still end up with two parties because the third party would eventually need push one of the other parties out. No matter what you do, with the current system you always end up with two parties.
To be extremely blunt;
Let's say you have party A and B. A is extreme left and B is extreme right. In a regular election the votes split 49 / 51, flipping between the two parties occasionally. People may not agree with everything a party says, but due to the extreme difference between the parties, there is no real question of who they should vote for to best serve their interests.
Now we introduce party C. Party C is a moderate right-wing party.
In the first few elections, party C doesn't gain any ground. As C grows bigger though, more and more voters flock from party B to party C. Some voters from A might switch to party C too, but mostly voters from party B as B and C are closer to eachother on the political spectrum.
Now, because party B lost a chunk of voters to C, but C did not gain enough voters to defeat A ( who lost relatively few voters to C ), A is posed to win every election until either B or C drops out, which puts you back at a two-party system.
If you want a third party, you need to rebuild your political system completely from the ground up.
I'm sure many republican voters would go Libertarian if they weren't concerned with sports team paradigms of winning elections, and I'm sure many Democrats would go Green or something else radical for the same reason.
This is literally the case of "more competition is good" but as a country we are stuck in this two party binary.
Same. I'm afraid to witness the ripple effect here, it already seems to be gaining a bit of momentum. I can only hope it doesn't crest by next election but even still I don't know what I can do in the meantime.
LifEndz
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I've reached out to family and friends that repost something thinking it's real news and try to show them the difference between credible news and Alex Jones.
I've also stopped watching the cable news pundits, especially Morning Joe. If I watch any politics centric show it's Rachael Maddow and Bill Maher.
I read the NYtimes and Washington Post as much as I can. The urgency to stay current on everything wasn't really a concern with Obama because I trusted him. That's not the case with Trump.
Finally, I know my limits. Absorbing too much of this shit isn't healthy. Gotta take breaks. 2018 is when the people get to strike back. Stay educated and be ready for that day.
I've also stopped watching the cable news pundits, especially Morning Joe. If I watch any politics centric show it's Rachael Maddow and Bill Maher.
I read the NYtimes and Washington Post as much as I can. The urgency to stay current on everything wasn't really a concern with Obama because I trusted him. That's not the case with Trump.
Finally, I know my limits. Absorbing too much of this shit isn't healthy. Gotta take breaks. 2018 is when the people get to strike back. Stay educated and be ready for that day.
victreeb3l
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Will be calling my reps and donating to civil rights and see how I can get involved with local grassroots orgs. I fear for my families safety.
I am sure Kevin is on the phone with Trump asking him how he did it.
Go into the field, just don't become a politician. You can always work behind the scenes.
Hellwarden
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I've been too busy trying to find employment to focus on it.
Got an interview tomorrow. Hope it goes well.
Got an interview tomorrow. Hope it goes well.
The degree I'm working on is for script writing :/ I have a 4.0 though! Maybe I can write subversive progressive propaganda or something lol
Mercury Fred
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Marching, donating money to a few progressive causes, bought subs to WaPo and the NYT. Also, shaming and berating Trump voters and Stein voters on social media.
entremet
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Calls are more effective if we're talking about congress.
Forerunner
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I just ignore it for the most part and continue with my life. I help where I can and when I can, however I just concentrate on my life and making the best of what I have.
Stop. Win house seats. Build up a base. You are doing it backwards and then dismissing the very correct responses.
SatelliteOfLove
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Debating with people, even the ones having doubts or shame at their anti-Dem votes for Trump. Berating his actions, his inethical and immoral behavior, how even right-leaning pundits are going in on him, and how well the last few years of Obama's administration was for America's economy.
Donating to good causes that fight normalized hatred (in 2017! I keep reminding myself we're having to do this to stop it regressing in 2017 much less making things better!!!!)
Voting Democrat next election, and the one after that, and probably the one after that.
Having a "no politics" time in my life for half my day to keep it out of my head. Shit's messing with my digestion.
It works. Some of those staffers are going to be tired of my voice before 2018, heh.
Donating to good causes that fight normalized hatred (in 2017! I keep reminding myself we're having to do this to stop it regressing in 2017 much less making things better!!!!)
Voting Democrat next election, and the one after that, and probably the one after that.
Having a "no politics" time in my life for half my day to keep it out of my head. Shit's messing with my digestion.
It works. Some of those staffers are going to be tired of my voice before 2018, heh.
killdatninja
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I ignore for the most part, but still catch up on some of the stupid things he does. At this point it's either preaching to the choir or arguing with someone who will not change their opinion, I don't talk politics pretty much ever because of this. I'm not going to convince the trump supporters of anything and they're sure as fuck not going to convince me of anything. I'm not sure what I'll do when the shit hits the fan hard, I just hope that the damage is reversible.
valkillmore
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Burying myself in work and passion projects. But, as hard as I try, I can't look away. I'm obsessed with reading and watching information about what is going on and reactions to it.
Lightning_Roller
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Living and butting heads with dumbasses that wanted this orange travesty in the White House. But mostly living though.
Adam_Vania
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tbf im getting tired as fuck about reading his name. if the left continues to be obsessed with his cult of personality as the right, i guarantee a lot of people are going to check out bc of that. the ironic appropriations of his image are getting old af fast.
OniBarubary
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If I said how I really feel I'd probably get banned and put on watch lists.
Bigboss242
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Pretty depressed actually.
Chie Satonaka
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I'm not, really.
I try to distract myself. I even said I was dropping out of politics as a hobby after last week, but I can't. People who are close to me are scared, and I'm scared too, and I'm mad.
I try to distract myself. I even said I was dropping out of politics as a hobby after last week, but I can't. People who are close to me are scared, and I'm scared too, and I'm mad.
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