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[arlucool]

I wanted to share two thoughts about Retro Studios. I remember a few years ago when key members of the team left and suddenly people were dooming Retro. Fast forward a few years, and they still have an impeccable track of great games, assist Nintendo in game development and have earn the trust and steem from their parent company and their fans.
They are in a great position within the games industry.

Also, their 3D level design craftship in the Prime games is superb. Really organic worlds that connect and are so fun to explore and travest. More recently, I think Éidos Montréal also did a good job with the Deu Ex overworld, gave some Prime vibes, too.

 

[rjc571]

I'm tempted to just post the wrong picture again but alright.

You can't possibly lose any control by having the wii remote option: You have the same control when in combat (there's an option to remove any movement from the reticle while locked on), and it's way better out of combat. If you need explaining why someone might want to be able to move and aim at the same time in a 3d enviroment, I don't know what ot tell you.

Switching weapons by pressing the +/- button+ a quick flick in the direction you want isn't more of a pain in the ass than having to take your hand off the analogue stick to switch beams/visor, like what?

(Melee fan trigger warning) And I also disagree on the gamecube controller being more comfortable than a wiimote. Maybe, maybe that was true when I was younger and hand smaller hands, but defintely not now. I'd much much rather be holding a wiimote+nunchuk.

He's also wrong about not gaining anything in combat. There are enemies that can be impossible to hit in the GC version if you are not positioned correctly, but can be hit with the exact same positioning in the Wii version thanks to the inclusion of free aim. See: The very first boss of the game.

 

[RBIYF]

Such an amazing game, few games have exceeded my high expectations like Metroid Prime did.

For me it's a masterpiece through and through, and one of the few games that holds up so well nearly 15 years since it's release.

 

[Vertti]

It's still the best video game ever and also the best gaming trilogy of all time.

I fear that I won't ever get the same feeling than when I first time played Metroid Prime. It was really special. The world with its every locale feeling unique and organic. It's also so damn atmospheric and even scary at times: the beginning, the pirate's lab in phedrana, underwater ship, the first chozo ghost encouter, phazon mines etc. The world really drained me in. Add in the beautiful soundtrack, 60 fps gameplay, great controls, well hidden secrets and awesome boss encounters and you have an almost perfect package.

2 and 3 are both really good too. They also have a damn good atmosphere but also their own problems. Still, many games can only wish that they have as cool locations as sanctuary fortress and skytown.

 

[Sadist]

I'll never forget that first time stepping out f the gunship, looking up and see the raindrops falling on my visor. So good.

 

[-shadow-]

I'll never forget that first time stepping out f the gunship, looking up and see the raindrops falling on my visor. So good.

 

[C.Olimar788]

Metroid Prime is a glorious game, and one of my favorite games of all time. The best Nintendo game ever. And it has still aged so, so good.

What I wouldn't give for a Metroid Prime 4. Hell, what I wouldn't give for a Trilogy HD remake... or, perhaps the greatest possibility of all, a VR remake of Metroid Prime.

 

[dogen]

Its miles better than Fusion though. Fusion had some pace killing cutscenes it was overly linear and it planted the seeds to what would eventually become Metroid Other M. Zero Mission was a incredible game. It also has the best controls in the series to date.

It's subjective. I prefer fusion, but I won't declare either to be a better game.


Oh, and I also strongly prefer playing these with a gamecube controller. I tried prime 3 for a bit, but the motion controls and having to use a wii mote made it hard to get into.

If I'm playing on console I pretty much want a controller, it's more comfortable and isn't trying to be a half assed mouse.

 

[xxracerxx]

Would give my left leg for a Trilogy remaster on Switch.

 

[Blackpuppy]

Are you sure? The Digital Foudery video said that there isn't a difference.

https://youtu.be/zGjgfSwOPw0

 

[pixellated_man]

Attempted to finally finish Metroid Prime last year after starting and giving up two times previously. Never got on with this game before for some reason. Enjoyed it a lot more this time and was finally ready to proclaim it a 'classic'..until I got to the giant fetch quest in final part of the game and shelved it. Youtubed the ending and don't feel any regret not playing those last tedious hours of the game.
Still a great game - just not game of the generation level in my opinion.

 

[Ramirez]

I would do almost anything to get a complete HD remake of the first one.

 

[JOEVIAL]

Metroid Prime is one of my favorites, probably in my top 5 list! It's a game that has and will stand the test of time, it's nearly absolute perfection.

The music, the atmospher and setting, the super timeless graphics, the simplistic but masterful gameplay... everything is just stunning in this game! Playing it for the first time at a demo kiosk is something I will never forget! I then purchased the special edition Metroid Prime GameCube with my own hard earned cash about two years later which was such an awesome feeling

I plan to play through Prime again in the autumn months this year; every time I've played Metroid Prime it's been in the autumn or fall. the chilling air and falling leaves just add to the whole experience

 

[shiyrley]

Do Prime and Prime 2 run properly on Dolphin yet?

I just completed Prime 1 and I'm in the midle of 2 (Trilogy on Dolphin with DolphinBar and real Wiimotes) and they run PERFECT as long as you use the Ishiiruka builds. I never had a single framedrop in the whole game. i7 6700k 4.5 GHz, GTX 1070, 16 GB RAM, 1440p

 

[nikatapi]

One of the most mindblowing experiences at the time. I hadn't seen such a beautiful, atmospheric game at the time, all at a smooth 60fps with all sorts of different environments, enemies.

It will always be one of the best games i've ever experienced. Timeless classic.

 

[Mael]

I know I prefer Prime 1 on the GC for the missing effects, it's next to nothing but it makes the game so lifeless to me...
It's one of these games I know by memory alone for how much I played and replayed it.
It was everything I ever wanted a 3D Metroid to be and more (so much more).
Prime 2 is near perfect as is, like seriously it's probably my fav Metroid game...
With my fav design for the Space pirates too.
It's still nice to play them on normal if you don't mind the total lack of challenge, like a sightseeing version of the game.
MP in Veteran is fantastic,
MP2 is still giving me nightmares from when I tried to finally defeat the last part.
MP3...I don't think I ever wished I could bypass some bosses as much as this game did...
If you have access to the Trilogy, it's what you should be playing instead of posting here.

But yeah Prime 1 is better on GC, no question there.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

What a game. A true masterpiece.

 

[Peltz]

Funny you started this thread. Just played through it again.....in VR!!!!


It really is an amazing game and after playing through it in VR, Ive come to realize its also one of the best VR games Ive ever played. Even the lock on system, which by today's standards are a little outdated, work really well. Some of the details Retro put in it are just nuts. For instance, when you are exploring the wrecked ship under water, there is a spot inside before a door where you can see air that got caught inside. A nice detail for sure, but it is absolutely something I would never have noticed without the ability to free look as easily as you can in VR. Dont even get me started on the music.

It's not perfect by any stretch but I highly recommend playing in in VR if you can. It's like playing it the first time.

It's the game I want to try most in VR.

Definitely, it was one of the biggest "Woah this is next-gen" moments I've ever had (other than Mario 64 of course).

Crap... I think I'm going to start playing it again now on my PVM and GCN via Component cables. Never did that before. Thanks OP.

 

[Jacknapes]

Metroid Prime in VR would be immense.

I remember a friend recommending Metroid Prime. First time seeing Phendrana Drifts was awe-inspiring. Prime remains one of my favourite games from the GC era, and it still holds remarkably well to today.

 

[Travo]

Its a shame that Trilogy removed a lot of the advanced effects.

I know. Effects that some games don't have, even today.

 

[Paltheos]

Visually Metroid Prime definitely is showing its age, and this is coming from someone who doesn't care about graphics and has no eye for visuals. I still love it but I wonder how it holds up for newcomers.

Other M was basically character assassination
the GBA games started it, sadly, but they are still great

The Prime games still look great on a CRT or Scanline filter

The GBA games do fine. The character stuff in Fusion adds to Samus. Pretty much all her lines are consistent with what I'd expect out of her. Other M's the only problem. Christ that game is bad.

 

[ienjoyrawfish]

Also, it's 60FPS in 2001, right? Pretty amazing.

PS1 and Saturn both had some fully 3D 60FPS games on far weaker hardware in the mid 90s several years before Metroid Prime was released.

But yeah, Metroid Prime is one of the GOATs for sure.

 

[Ushojax]

Definitely the greatest game ever made. One day the trilogy will be remastered in HD and it will be glorious.

 

[Pinky]

It really is incredible what Retro and Nintendo were able to do as far as bringing Metroid into the 3D realm. Truly one of the best 2D-->3D transitions ever.

Definitely the greatest game ever made. One day the trilogy will be remastered in HD and it will be glorious.

I certainly hope so!

 

[WeirdoStalkerJr]

lol I can actually imagine Samus tripping on mushrooms like that and just be like whoaaaaa. *proceedes to fire charge shots and just roll around in morph ball on psilocybin*

 

[ienjoyrawfish]

It really is incredible what Retro and Nintendo were able to do as far as bringing Metroid into the 3D realm. Truly one of the best 2D-->3D transitions ever.

It's strange how Metroid managed the transition so much better than Castlevania, which is often perceived (from SOTN onwards at least) to be the most similar series to Metroid.

 

[VDenter]

What amazes me about this game the most is how it had everything going against it during development. Not to mention it had to follow up Super Metroid and make the 3D transition after an eight year hiatus for the series. Retro was still unproven and going with an FP perspective seemed like a terrible choice at the time. Under normal circumstances any game like this would be a train-wreck. Nintendo did not exactly help matters by posting terrible screenshots online before the game released. Man somehow the planets aligned and what we got is one of the best games ever made the sheer amount of polish is incredible. Retro cancelling four other projects to work just on this game paid off in spades. If only a miracle like this happened with Federation Force witch might just be the worst Nintendo game ever made. Its embarrassing how much the Nintendo lost grasp on the franchise in general.

 

[Ceadeus]

PS1 and Saturn both had some fully 3D 60FPS games on far weaker hardware in the mid 90s several years before Metroid Prime was released.

But yeah, Metroid Prime is one of the GOATs for sure.

What? I don't think so...

 

[Frodo]

The amount of time I spent just shooting those birds flying far away on the first area...



I love Metroid Prime. I should dust off my Wii U to play it.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Imagine how good Metroid Prime 4 could look on the Switch, given how it already looked on the Gamecube. Come oooon, Nintendo. Don't touch the formula. It was great.

 

[WeirdoStalkerJr]

 

[ienjoyrawfish]

What? I don't think so...

All three Tekken games on the PS1 and Virtua Fighter 2 on the Saturn run at 60FPS off the top of my head.

A quick Google search reveals that there are apparently many more?:

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showth...ics-running-at-60-fps-5th-Generation-Consoles

 

[televator]

Other M was basically character assassination
the GBA games started it, sadly, but they are still great

The Prime games still look great on a CRT or Scanline filter

On a CRT sure, but a scanline filter is literally an unnecessary retrograde way to play those games. Their base resolution is 480. Scanlines are a 240p affair.

Motion controls ruin the first 2 games unfortunately.

I hate motion controls, but the trilogy does not implement motion controls into P1&2. Pointer controls are great and they don't ruin those games at all.

 

[televator]

Slow thread. DP

 

[T.O.P]

I would do almost anything to get a complete HD remake of the first one.

This

It's a one of a kind experience

 

[Linkstrikesback]

If only a miracle like this happened with Federation Force witch might just be the worst Nintendo game ever made

Fed force is mediocre and utterly forgetable, and the choice of releasing it now was utterly stupid, but not even close.

Hell, it's not even the worst game Nintendo released in 2016 (thanks, star fox!).

 

[nkarafo]

PS1 and Saturn both had some fully 3D 60FPS games on far weaker hardware in the mid 90s several years before Metroid Prime was released.

But yeah, Metroid Prime is one of the GOATs for sure.

60 fps was the standard way before the PS1 or Sat were released. Even Atari 2600 games are 60fps.

In fact, it's because of those 5th gen consoles that we got the 20-30 fps standard we still have nowadays. You have to thank 3D graphics taking over with weak consoles for that.

 

[marc^o^]

I'd be happy with a Remaster, with Switch graphics, motion++ and HD Rumble.

At the very least give us that at E3 Nintendo.

 

[Ogodei]

Metroid games released in the 2000s:

Metroid Fusion (2002, GBA)
Metroid Prime (2002, GCN)
Metroid Zero Mission (2004, GBA)
Metroid Prime 2 Echoes (2004, GCN)
Metroid Prime Pinball (2005, DS)
Metroid Prime Hunters (2006, DS)
Metroid Prime 3 Corruption (2007, Wii)
Metroid Prime Trilogy (2009, Wii)

Metroid games released in the 2010s:

Metroid Other M (2010, Wii)
Metroid Prime Federation Force (2016, 3DS)

Someone wanna explain to me why this has to happen?

Note the developers from the 2000s: Nintendo R&D1, Retro Studios, and NST. NST is basically a shell studio now, R&D1 got shuffled out of existence (not sure where their key staff went. They became SPD, but i don't know where SPD went in the current reshuffling), while Retro moved on to Donkey Kong.

Nintendo's franchises suffer from homelessness more than a lack of caring, which is why the combination of pipelines for Switch is so important. Now maybe they'll have EAD Tokyo (or whatever the new version of that is called) make a Metroid game, because they they can just make Super Mario Odyssey instead of having to make Super Mario Iliad for 3DS and Super Mario Odyssey for Wii U.

 

[VDenter]

Fed force is mediocre and utterly forgetable, and the choice of releasing it now was utterly stupid, but not even close.

Hell, it's not even the worst game Nintendo released in 2016 (thanks, star fox!).

I wish i could say this. As somebody who wanted to give it a benefit of a doubt especially after reading a couple of interviews and this being Next Level Games i assumed it would be alright. That was a mistake, never in my life did i feel so ripped off from a game. The missions were despite having variety in mission objectives were all terribly designed. The enemies were bullet sponges. The controls despite being similar to Metroid Prime felt off due to the game being 30fps and the design of the 3DS gave me hand cramps after a while. The missions were designed to be played in CO-OP witch would not be a problem if the Online did not have major connection issues. the amount of shit the game has goes on and on.

Star Fox Zero had major issues but at-least i finished the game. Federation Force just made me want to throw my 3DS out the window out of sheer frustration. The fact that Metroid Prime Hunters looks more like a Metroid game despite it being released on the original DS ten years prior is embarrassing especially this being next level games they made possibly the best looking game on the 3DS witch was Luigis Mansion 2. The whole project just baffles the mind. Just how they possible thought any of it was acceptable. then going and charging 50 bucks for it! Honestly it is far below a mediocre effort.

 

[vall03]

This thread reminded me that I bought Metroid Prime Trilogy on Wii U due to the initial release discount and only played the first area of Prime 1. Are these games long? I don't want to invest a lot of gaming time on February as I want to have the time for Zelda on March.

 

[Barrow Roll]

Actually I'm playing this right now through dolphin and it's fucking amazing. It runs in 1080p / 60fps and even full 16:9 support. Also got the HD Textures and man, this game could even be released today. One of the best games ever!

Link to these HD textures? I've yet to see an HD texture pack for any of the Prime games that doesn't look worse than the originals.

 

[nubbe]

This thread reminded me that I bought Metroid Prime Trilogy on Wii U due to the initial release discount and only played the first area of Prime 1. Are these games long? I don't want to invest a lot of gaming time on February as I want to have the time for Zelda on March.

they are adventure games so you'll be doing quite bit of running around if you play without a guide or tips

probably takes 15-20 hours each

 

[entremet]

It was such an awesome game, Retro Studio came from nowhere and became the ruler of clever optimization right away, people around here claimed that Halo looked better but Metroid Prime was always my number 1 because of the art design and 60fps smoothness.

60fps wasn't really special in 2001 though, console gaming just suffered from a lowered standard from 1995 and forward and we all got used to it and forgot how it used to be. PS2 had quite a few 60fps games though but maybe not in the fps genre.

Well for sprite based games it was the norm. But it took awhile for console based 3D games. PS1/N64 had few 60FPS games in 3D. Tekken, Tobal, etc.

PS2/Dreamcast/Xbox/GCN were better in this regard.

 

[blu]

The trilogy hasn't aged one bit. Still the best FPA made by mankind.

/goes to salute Samus in FF

 

[Kthulhu]

Note the developers from the 2000s: Nintendo R&D1, Retro Studios, and NST. NST is basically a shell studio now, R&D1 got shuffled out of existence (not sure where their key staff went. They became SPD, but i don't know where SPD went in the current reshuffling), while Retro moved on to Donkey Kong.

Nintendo's franchises suffer from homelessness more than a lack of caring, which is why the combination of pipelines for Switch is so important. Now maybe they'll have EAD Tokyo (or whatever the new version of that is called) make a Metroid game, because they they can just make Super Mario Odyssey instead of having to make Super Mario Iliad for 3DS and Super Mario Odyssey for Wii U.

I just want a remake of Metroid Other M made by Platinum Games. And have someone write the story that doesn't write like an edgy teenager. But I know it'll never happen. Nintendo is probably to scared to try something like Other M again.

Edit: also more the point of the post is the sheer volume of titles. Normally only Mario or Zelda get output like that. Yet Nintendo just gave up for half a decade after Other M and decided to shit out a spin-off to fill the gap between the 3DS and the Switch.

 

[Ogodei]

I just want a remake of Metroid Other M made by Platinum Games. And have someone write the story that doesn't write like an edgy teenager. But I know it'll never happen. Nintendo is probably to scared to try something like Other M again.

Edit: also more the point of the post is the sheer volume of titles. Normally only Mario or Zelda get output like that. Yet Nintendo just gave up for half a decade after Other M and decided to shit out a spin-off to fill the gap between the 3DS and the Switch.

In terms of gameplay they had a hell of a thing going with Other M. Sure, bring Team Ninja back, or Platinum. Just make sure that nobody has dictatorial control over the project. Probably, i'd say, get the scenario writers from Retro to work with the Director from NCL to do the script, and emphasize exploration a bit more, make it less linear.

 

[Blackpuppy]

60 fps was the standard way before the PS1 or Sat were released. Even Atari 2600 games are 60fps.

In fact, it's because of those 5th gen consoles that we got the 20-30 fps standard we still have nowadays. You have to thank 3D graphics taking over with weak consoles for that.

Not only that, but every 2600 game was FORCED to be at 60fps due to the way the TIA worked. Otherwise you'd just have garbage on the screen.

 

[HollowCentral]

My favorite Metroid game. Also my favorite shooter of all time.

 

[The_Endgamer]

One of those 'perfect' games of their genre up there with Super Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil 4 and Donkey Kong Country 2.