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South Park Creators backing off Trump.. "Satire has become reality"
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While I agree that Manbearpig is one of the more note-worthy examples of them shooting themselves in the foot, I'm pretty sure the whole point of that episode was just to be mean, which isn't pleasant, but it's something they do here and there for entertainment(remember what they called sarah jessica parker in one episode? that always bugged me due to how unnecessarily awful it was). I don't think they were trying to be "moderate on climate change", I think it was more of a mix of calling out Al Gore for either virtue signalling or painting him as trying to stay relevant when he's got nothing else going on.
Completely mean and uncalled for, but I almost want to say it's a whole different thing than just being moderate on a given issue.
Lys Skygge
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I avoided this thread until now because I knew the reaction would be calling South Park an alt-right show. Guess I was right. I have to wonder how many people that call Matt and Trey cowards actually watch South Park.
You understand view post history is available to all.
You should stick to meta discussion of threads in your echo chamber of choice, the BCT in Community it seems for you individually given view post history, if you find people who correctly disagree with your viewpoint so bothersome and worthy of trolling.
I just don't understand why they never made a caricature of Trump but instead use a Canadian version of him and then later Garrison as a surrogate. They were perfectly willing to portray Clinton as incompetent but they never directly portrayed him as a real dangerous person.
Instead they tried to make an entire plot point of memory berries brainwashing Garrison as a puppet. Ok.
Instead they tried to make an entire plot point of memory berries brainwashing Garrison as a puppet. Ok.
He's clearly not just talking about this thread. And when people on the forum are starting to stan for fucking AntiFA... well if the US version is anything like the scandinavian/european AntiFA groupings, it's hard to claim it's not radicalisation.
LegalEagleMike
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cant wait for fractured but whole
Littlefang
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Imo they seem genuinely disheartened by the shit Trump is doing. And I think that would probably have an impact on the quality of what they would create.
I'd also imagine they wouldn't completely stop making fun of Trump if something is relevant, just that they don't want to have Trump dominate their material.
How very brave of them...
How about I post wherever the fuck I wanna post?
Heavy_D206
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I love laughing at people who attempt to criticise Matt and Trey.
They are comedy Gods who've been thriving off of pissing people off for their entire careers. Calling them cowards or racists just fuels their fire, and proves you know nothing about them or the show.
They are comedy Gods who've been thriving off of pissing people off for their entire careers. Calling them cowards or racists just fuels their fire, and proves you know nothing about them or the show.
How is that not reason to make more caricatures?
Ah, no you have to stay in your safe zone and never interact elsewhere because you have a designated position in society and free speech isn't for you clearly.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Indeed.
Honestly though, the dogmatism seems so deeply embedded at this point I really have no idea how things can change.
You can't build a power-base with this sort of "you're either with us, or against us" rhetoric. Its madness, and sadly seems more driven by ego than ethics to me.
I really wonder sometimes do these reactionary voices genuinely believe they are helping their cause, or are they so infatuated with the concept of "being on the right side of history" that it really doesn't matter what the outcome is so long as they affect the right attitudes and posture?
You seriously want to oust Trump and squash the alt-right? Get it together. Literally.
What if they made him (Garrison) a good meaning progressive whose attempts at bettering humanity get bungled every step by the GOP's incompetence to MAGA (and the Democrats who wouldn't budge on any issue - if SP want to remain somewhat neutral). Although then I guess places like NeoGaf would think they're endorsing him considering some of the asinine response here.
Or just insert actual footage of Trump because most "satire" pieces on him at the moment are just repeating him with a nudge-nudge-wink-wink-pause-for-laugh-track; there's rarely irony or exaggeration.
Or just insert actual footage of Trump because most "satire" pieces on him at the moment are just repeating him with a nudge-nudge-wink-wink-pause-for-laugh-track; there's rarely irony or exaggeration.
Gordon Shumway
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You can think what you want. Still not sure when I engaged with you..all this could have been avoided. I find the tone comment funny, considering yours. "Why you mad tho" lol..things I've never said that in my life..but yeah, hyperbole. Glad we're done though. Let's keep it that way. Good day..
Trey and Matt are now Nazi..gotta punch them with our words!
I think the reasons are pretty simple.
Canadian Trump was for "what if this all happened in a country other than the US?"
Then with Garrison, they were not gonna make a single real-life character the the main point of a whole season. With Garrison-Trump, they can come back to Trump again and again and again and again and still be South Park, the quiet little mountain town.
Excellent post.
I feel like a lot of posters are incredibly frustrated with current events (as they should be, mind numbing and potentially disastrous as they are) and are lashing out at anyone not 100% in their camp's way of doing things as an easier target, instead of out against the real threats that are harder to access.
Hopefully this attitude will settle down before the next cycle ramps up.
Garrison became Trump because he has always been a right wing, racist nutjob, they can't start making him a progresive.
shysaursoft
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I caught the very first episode in 1997, and have continued watching the show ever since. I still do. South Park has *always* had politics as part of its makeup, but I think a lot of younger kids watching it didn't pick up on that back when it started. The last season did go too much "all-in" (the memberberries plotline was far more interesting, but went nowhere), and the showrunners realized it.
But to say "no more politics in SP" is literally telling SP to stop being SP. "It's all or nothing", remember?
Yeah. The rhetoric at the time was "Trump is getting weirdly close to being President, too close... but no way he will win. His bizarre successful campaign will be put to a stop, right? Any day now." Canadian Trump was a warning about complacency and not taking the idiot joke candidate more seriously: America this is what will happen, don't let it!
Sure, but:
Glad we're done, nice talking. Good day.
What the hell...
Bobby Roberts
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This seems to be a question of confused context then. It seems like he's talking about this thread specifically, and the idea that the board in general is radicalized specifically because of a few numbskulls who are using terminology they don't understand on the 10-15 people who actually read their post?
And further, I'm not sure how or why your experience with anti-fascist movements in Scandinavian/European countries has anything to do with his post, or the idea that he was referencing it somehow, or that there's a straight line between those movements and how they started versus what's happening here in a South Park thread on the off-topic side of a gaming forum.
Kyo is suggesting people at NeoGaf are being radicalized by dumb leftists overreacting and misusing terminology in off-topic threads.
It really, really does not seem to me like this is the case at all.
Besides which, I'm not sure what "Stanning for AntiFA" is supposed to seriously mean here. Is expressing anti-fascist views supposed to be considered extremist in and of itself? Is being upset and angry that fascist/racist/xenophobic stances are being brought up and expressed in a public forum somehow lesser-than? I don't get it.
People being upset that their government is now being controlled by what is more or less The Comments Section, being steered towards a nationalist, authoritarian future, aren't out-of-bounds for that, I don't think.
What left-wing radicalizing do you think is coming from these conversations?
I'm not saying they can't be annoying and irritating. Because obviously they can be. People misusing common words and concepts willfully and with no regard for further education on the subjects they're wading into will always be annoying as shit. But I don't know that seeing it happen in this thread, or in OT (or Gaming side) in general, is some sort of obvious sign that radicalization has been going on in here. It might actually be a sign that the term "radicalization" itself is being misused in an attempt to express just how frustrating it is to watch people fuck up their own arguments so badly.
That's just dumb. Like, seriously. They couldn't emphasize how dangerous Trump is any more than they did. It's satire. The quality of the satire is a whole different discussion, but it's still satirized. It was bloody obvious they absolutely loathe Trump and try to deter people from voting for him, they went as close to endorsing Hillary as they ever did for any politician in the history of the show.
That's like complaining Orwell was a coward because he used an animal farm to show his views instead of Soviet Russia. And I'm not comparing the quality of Animal Farm to South Park, by god, that I do not, only the mindset.
If anything, using Garrison, a historically inept, hateful and hypocritical character as Trump expy made their message that much more clear.
The Dutch Slayer
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Very true but also they are not coming back before early October 2017, so buy that time we are far into WW3 also maybe people are so sick of Trump satire that it will simply not have any impact anymore.
Rentahamster
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...and some people have the nerve to also complain about purity tests in the Democratic Party? FFS, those of you overreacting to this sound like you didn't bother watching the previous two seasons where Trump was literally raped to death.
At this point I think people are just really hung up over the PC principal thing which is a little puzzling to me.
I figure he was clearly talking in a general sense, since Bernie Sanders was mentioned, yeah?
They've gone further making fun of Trump then probably anyone else in the world, but somehow are still cowards...
Indeed they fucked Trump to death! How much more can they do. You might not agree with them politically but they certainly aren't NAZIs. ANd their latests season were great in showing some major problems and how they are often well meant... but still go wrong. Like Gentrification or well meaning PC people (PC Principle) that get (ab)used by total arseholes even though they mean well.
Heck they scored a big point when showing the silliness of Bathroom laws passed in red states.
Vampirolol
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Partially I understand what they are saying and I don't think they are cowards. I lived in Berlusconi land for 20 years and I've learned that these people actually GAIN popularity from jokes, it's what their career is based on.
Still, SP creators are some of my favorite comedians and I expect them to at least make an episode on this topic.
Still, SP creators are some of my favorite comedians and I expect them to at least make an episode on this topic.
Audioboxer
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NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
South Park just needs to back away from politics... last season for the most part sucked.
Zen_Arcade
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OK, but don't get pissy when people call you out for not knowing what you're talking about or being hypocritical.
Indeed, I still find it creepy that some Japanese girl decided I should be gay... that means they are .. always watching 0_0.
He ruined the entirity of Canada! Build a wall around it and broke the country! While showing him as a toupee wearing man stuck in the 1980s.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Indeed! I find him bloody awesome! The way he beat the living crap out everybody after going to that Russian bar!
. Sure he gets abused to fight for the wrong causes often, but he'd never let any gay or transgender be bullied on his watch
. And in end, he turned out to be the hero that tried to save the world from ads rather than the enemy everybody thought him out to be .If I recall from their commentary on the ManBearPig episode, in their opinion, the movie was essentially just a powerpoint presentation, and they thought it was ridiculous that it won Best Documentary at the Oscars when the director just basically filmed Al Gore giving a speech. Now, agree with that or not, I really don't think there was any sort of deeper meaning to be read into it. It's kind of like when they mocked Phil Collins just because he beat them for best song at the Oscars.
He could free himself from the memberberries and then come out and say, "Surprise motherfuckers, it was all a ploy, let's get progressive", but no one listens. This is a show where Saddam Hussein is getting it on with The Devil and Bono is a literal piece of poo, so they don't exactly need to tightly knit logic to it all.
There are children making jokes at the current state of Trump/America (at least on this side of the Atlantic) by simply repeating the headlines, so I could see them wanting to do something different if they were going to. Say what you want about the quality of the last two seasons, but they've been wanting to keep the show its own thing and fresh. Trump is easy to make fun of because there's no effort required, you just quote him or any of the puppeteers, which is what they did last season and it grew tiring by the end because the jokes had already been repeated et nauseam on the internet. The season ended with facism taking the White House. They can't keep playing on that joke because it's barely satire anymore.
Wait, do people on Gaf seriously get offended by PC Principal?
When did I ever tell someone to "go back to their echo chamber"?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I'm only posting in this thread because I'm gonna ban the lot of you if you don't break this silly slap fight and get back on topic.
Zen_Arcade
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Never. But your piss poor "LOL Looks like everyone is getting triggered here." has been your crowning contribution to this thread and the only reason that has any value is because it showcases how easy it is to make bad, lazy satire.
Because a lot of people here love to make fun of other people but can't take a joke that makes fun of them.
The Hermit
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Exactly. Comedy of real facts are based on exaggeration, they are just saying that they expect anything, since Trump is basically a parody of itself.
I won't be surprised if Trump fucks to death the president of Mexico.
It doesn't and not at all the posts I was expecting to see in this thread. So I'm going to call out the people here posting about them being cowards. I think you guys are being idiots.
Seriously? Cowards? Is reading comprehensions from some of you so awful that you chose to purposely ignore what was literally said for your own messed up logic?
Man that first page was hard to read. I would think the posts would go similar to what the OP said: Trump being so crazy and insane, that the shit he does in real life is more laughable then trying to make fun of him. But instead, I see posts like page 1 that remind me of the crazy shit on Facebook. Shame guys, shame.
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