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South Park Creators backing off Trump.. "Satire has become reality"

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It doesn't and not at all the posts I was expecting to see in this thread. So I'm going to call out the people here posting about them being cowards. I think you guys are being idiots.

Seriously? Cowards? Is reading comprehensions from some of you so awful that you chose to purposely ignore what was literally said for your own messed up logic?

Man that first page was hard to read. I would think the posts would go similar to what the OP said: Trump being so crazy and insane, that the shit he does in real life is more laughable then trying to make fun of him. But instead, I see posts like page 1 that remind me of the crazy shit on Facebook. Shame guys, shame.

Better quote from the interview:

People say to us all the time, 'Oh, you guys are getting all this good material,' like we're happy about some of this stuff that's happening," Stone said. "But I don't know if that's true. It doesn't feel that way.

It's way beyond clear that they are not happy with Trump, as if it wasn't obvious from the last season itself.

But hey if people aren't gonna see the show before jumping on it it's hard to expect them to read an interview before posting about it.
 

asagami_

Banned
I haven't seen the last seasons, but I wouldn't say South Park creators are alt-right. If they were, an episode like Breast Cancer Show Ever wouldn't never exists in the show.

I'm sure they will mock Trump, sometimes, but not for fear, instead, because Trump is already insane as you would expect from a typical South Park character. The fact he is president is absurd and they know it.

If any, I hope the show start to have a more progressive agenda, because the actual reality is already worse.
 

Miracle

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Better quote from the interview:



It's way beyond clear that they are not happy with Trump, as if it wasn't obvious from the last season itself.

But hey if people aren't gonna see the show before jumping on it it's hard to expect them to read an interview before posting about it.
Indeed.

If anything, they don't want Trump's antics to be normalized. Which I thought was the common complaint about the media during the election.
 

-COOLIO-

The Everyman
calling them cowards for this is just moronic,

they've proven that they've never been afraid to push buttons and joke about anything.

edit: and in addition, the trump brand is toxic when it comes to appealing to mainstream america. taking a stand against trump doesn't require courage, it's the safe choice, and i say this as someone that heavily dislikes trump and everything he's put into action.
 

Audioboxer

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Im going to regret this :/

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ksdixon

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I'm not too happy. I liked both Trump-Garrison and the serialization where storylines carried-on throughout the season. Both things are confirmed to not be happening next season, right?
 

Dishwalla

Banned
It's funny to call Matt and Trey cowards when they fought tooth and nail with Comedy Central to not censor their show, even after the network was threatened with a terrorist attack. I remember back when 200/201 everyone was throwing around "cowards" towards CC. Times have changed...

Also the point some people have brought up about the show making fun of Trump and poking at his ego, does Trump even know this show exists? Like I've never even heard anything to indicate that Trump has ever watched South Park, and despite what some people may think it's not nearly on the same level as SNL as far as influence goes. Really doubt Trump spends time worrying about stupid cartoons making fun of him.
 

Audioboxer

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It's funny to call Matt and Trey cowards when they fought tooth and nail with Comedy Central to not censor their show, even after the network was threatened with a terrorist attack. I remember back when 200/201 everyone was throwing around "cowards" towards CC. Times have changed...

Also the point some people have brought up about the show making fun of Trump and poking at his ego, does Trump even know this show exists? Like I've never even heard anything to indicate that Trump has ever watched South Park, and despite what some people may think it's not nearly on the same level as SNL as far as influence goes. Really doubt Trump spends time worrying about stupid cartoons making fun of him.

You'd be surprised about an ego on a person like Trump. He probably knows about some Tumblr blog photoshopping him into a porn pissing scene.

South Park isn't Simpsons big, but it's still pretty "big".
 
Man it's fucking hysterical how the only ones lobbing out insults, derogatory shit, and anything resembling policing peoples attitudes here are the ones acting like we're just the worst human beings around for daring to have a different opinion on a fucking entertainment product than them.

Like Jesus fucking Christ.
 

Mega

Banned
The multiple Leslie callouts killed me. Best recurring joke that season.

I said in the season 20 thread that they need to go back to the formula of season 18 (and 19 to some extent). It wasn't full on serialization. They were completely standalone episodes with limited continuity: references and sight gags that carried from one episode to the next (gluten-free Pabst). It was the perfect balance compared to getting pigeonholed into Trump/election stuff.
 

Nokterian

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So i watched this thread at work and people calling them out as cowards? Hmm no i don't think so they are right and what they say is true..satire has become reality, like they said let it run. At this point they couldn't bother to do anything about trump anymore because this is the reality we face.
 

Audioboxer

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The multiple Leslie callouts killed me. Best recurring joke that season.

I said in the season 20 thread that they need to go back to the formula of season 18 (and 19 to some extent). It wasn't full on serialization. They were completely standalone episodes with limited continuity: references and sight gags that carried from one episode to the next (gluten-free Pabst). It was the perfect balance compared to getting pigeonholed into Trump/election stuff.

Speaking of alcohol, anything to do with Randy is always the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGXh-kgedkI
 

Dynasty

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Man it's fucking hysterical how the only ones lobbing out insults, derogatory shit, and anything resembling policing peoples attitudes here are the ones acting like we're just the worst human beings around for daring to have a different opinion on a fucking entertainment product than them.

Like Jesus fucking Christ.

Not sure which side you are referring to because they are both as bad as each other(Edit:jk, was also meant to be in spoilers) The only problem I have with people saying Matt and Trey are cowards is that they have most likely not seen the lastest season of South Park and are just reacting to the title and posting uninformed opinions. If they have watched the lastest season and still think they are cowards for some reason then fine but atleast elaborate.
 
Not sure which side you are referring to because they are both as bad as each other. The only problem I have with people saying Matt and Trey are cowards is that they have most likely not seen the lastest season of South Park and are just reacting to the title and posting uninformed opinions. If they have watched the lastest season and still think they are cowards for some reason then fine but atleast elaborate.

No, they really aren't. You have people going as far as to insult the intelligence of other posters over a god damn cartoon that has a talking towel that smokes weed in it.
 
No, they really aren't. You have people going as far as to insult the intelligence of other posters over a god damn cartoon that has a talking towel that smokes weed in it.
They aren't insulting them over the cartoon, they're insulting them over outlandish reactions to something the creators of the cartoon said. People just bring up the actual cartoon as evidence that the people calling them cowards are talking out of their ass.
 
They aren't insulting them over the cartoon, they're insulting them over outlandish reactions to something the creators of the cartoon said. People just bring up the actual cartoon as evidence that the people calling them cowards are talking out of their ass.

No, they aren't because it's pretty fucking easy to understand contextualization of events.

They were mocking Donald Trump when he was the stupid orange man who was running for president and saying a bunch of stupid outlandish things.

But now that he's actually president and still saying stupid outlandish things, that's too easy? That's too simple? There's nothing to get from that despite using that same excuse to do so months ago?

One can do something then cheapen out on their beliefs and when they offer a bullshit excuse like "it's too easy so we've decided to back off" it's perfectly acceptable to call them out on it. How is it at all outlandish to expect people that have created and crafted an entire series based on satire and lampooning current events to suddenly just ignore the biggest current even in the world because it's "too easy"? How is it people being stupid and "not getting it" for calling them out on suddenly finding it a chore to satirize a man they had no issues satirizing a few short months ago?

Even if you believe that, there's no fucking excuse nor reason to insult people's intelligence, their beliefs, their morality or who they are. This thread honestly got fucking ridiculously petty and disgusting with some of the faux superiority people have obviously been waiting to trot out so they can profess themselves the "smart" liberals that are sick and tired of the "others" ruining things and using them as a convenient scapegoat for losing.

It's a god damn cartoon. There's no reason to insult somebody over a modern day pulp comic.
 

Dynasty

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No, they aren't because it's pretty fucking easy to understand contextualization of events.

They were mocking Donald Trump when he was the stupid orange man who was running for president and saying a bunch of stupid outlandish things.

But now that he's actually president and still saying stupid outlandish things, that's too easy? That's too simple? There's nothing to get from that despite using that same excuse to do so months ago?

One can do something then cheapen out on their beliefs and when they offer a bullshit excuse like "it's too easy so we've decided to back off" it's perfectly acceptable to call them out on it. How is it at all outlandish to expect people that have created and crafted an entire series based on satire and lampooning current events to suddenly just ignore the biggest current even in the world because it's "too easy"?

Even if you believe that, there's no fucking excuse nor reason to insult people's intelligence, their beliefs, their morality or who they are. This thread honestly got fucking ridiculously petty and disgusting with some of the faux superiority people have obviously been waiting to trot out so they can profess themselves the "smart" liberals that are sick and tired of the "others" ruining things and using them as a convenient scapegoat for losing.

Have you seen the lastest season of South Park?
Because it is agreed that it is one of the weaker season and that is partly due to focusing on the election hence Trump.
They are still probably going to mock Trump but instead of doing it for an entire season like they did for season 20. They will probably do it for 1-2 episodes focusing on Trump' scandals and some references in other episodes and let the other episode be used for other stuff.
 
No, they aren't because it's pretty fucking easy to understand contextualization of events.

They were mocking Donald Trump when he was the stupid orange man who was running for president and saying a bunch of stupid outlandish things.

But now that he's actually president and still saying stupid outlandish things, that's too easy? That's too simple? There's nothing to get from that despite using that same excuse to do so months ago?

One can do something then cheapen out on their beliefs and when they offer a bullshit excuse like "it's too easy so we've decided to back off" it's perfectly acceptable to call them out on it. How is it at all outlandish to expect people that have created and crafted an entire series based on satire and lampooning current events to suddenly just ignore the biggest current even in the world because it's "too easy"?

Even if you believe that, there's no fucking excuse nor reason to insult people's intelligence, their beliefs, their morality or who they are. This thread honestly got fucking ridiculously petty and disgusting with some of the faux superiority people have obviously been waiting to trot out so they can profess themselves the "smart" liberals that are sick and tired of the "others" ruining things and using them as a convenient scapegoat for losing.
You should probably read the actual article, because they clearly point out that while part of the reason they're stopping is because how easy it is to call out Trump, they also clearly point out that with the format they have, trying to satirize someone like Trump, who wildly swings from one part of crazy to the other, doesn't come out well.

They've already done Trump. They had him raped and spent a good portion of last season dedicated to how fucking dumb he is. And after watching it, the parts with Trump were the worst parts of last season because you can see the cracks of writers trying to mock someone only to be outdated by the time it airs.
 
You should probably read the actual article, because they clearly point out that while part of the reason they're stopping is because how easy it is to call out Trump, they also clearly point out that with the format they have, trying to satirize someone like Trump, who wildly swings from one part of crazy to the other, doesn't come out well.

The "article" is five paragraphs long. And even if they aren't saying wholesale "we're never talking about him". They say "We're not lampooning him and we're not necessarily happy he won from a professional perspective either" That's it. That's the entirety of the article and the video linked in it. Phrasing their answer like this:

"And what was actually happening was much funnier than anything we could come up with. So we decided to kind of back off and let them do their comedy and we'll do ours."

Very clearly denotes that they find the issue too easy. That what Trump is doing right now is a comedy, a joke.

That attitude isn't okay, that dismissal isn't okay, they deserve some level of criticism for that. It doesn't matter if the jokes don't land or not. It doesn't matter what happened in the last season or not. This thread isn't about the last season. It's not about whatever they did with Trump last year.

It's about their attitude RIGHT NOW. The things they said RIGHT NOW.
 
The "article" is five paragraphs long. And even if they aren't saying wholesale "we're never talking about him". They say "We're not lampooning him and we're not necessarily happy he won from a professional perspective either" That's it. That's the entirety of the article and the video linked in it. Phrasing their answer like this:



Very clearly denotes that they find the issue too easy. That what Trump is doing right now is a comedy, a joke.

That attitude isn't okay, that dismissal isn't okay, they deserve some level of criticism for that. It doesn't matter if the jokes don't land or not. It doesn't matter what happened in the last season or not. This thread isn't about the last season. It's not about whatever they did with Trump last year.

It's about their attitude RIGHT NOW. The things they said RIGHT NOW.
They're clearly being sarcastic with the whole "We'll do our comedy and let them do theirs." line.

And for as terrible as Trump is, whats going on is clearly cartoonish to the point of absurdity. Which is a core element of comedy. Calling Trump a joke isn't some terrible affront.
 
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I just don't understand why they never made a caricature of Trump but instead use a Canadian version of him and then later Garrison as a surrogate. They were perfectly willing to portray Clinton as incompetent but they never directly portrayed him as a real dangerous person.

Instead they tried to make an entire plot point of memory berries brainwashing Garrison as a puppet. Ok.

They actually explained this. They made Canadian Trump during the primaries when they expected Trump to lose, and thought they could treat him like a throwaway character. Having killed him off, they decided to use Garrison to show how Trumps happen. The arc is actually pretty good - Garrison is, bluntly put, stupid and angry and wants a simple solution to all of life's problems. He starts with just racist absurdities, and ends up ushering in the new Nazism. It's a much better take than just launching straight to Trump would have been, because the point is that: there are many Garrisons in this world. It's what Arendt called the banality of evil.
 

Lothar

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They've already done Trump. They had him raped and spent a good portion of last season dedicated to how fucking dumb he is. And after watching it, the parts with Trump were the worst parts of last season because you can see the cracks of writers trying to mock someone only to be outdated by the time it airs.

Some won't be happy until he's raped to death every episode. Then they probably won't be enough. He'll have to be raped every second. Or else they're cowards and alt-right. And you can't point out that this is a ridiculous asinine trolling thing to say. Because it's a cartoon.
 
Some won't be happy until he's raped to death every episode. Then they probably won't be enough. He'll have to be raped every second. Or else they're cowards and alt-right. And you can't point out that this is a ridiculous asinine trolling thing to say. Because it's a cartoon.

No, please, do point where anybody has said that they want him being brutally raped every episode (though given how often they go to rape as a quick joke when they're out of ideas, it does sound like something they'd make a running gag).

I'll wait.
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
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They've gone further making fun of Trump then probably anyone else in the world, but somehow are still cowards...

Plus the episode had this quote as well.

“There were several candidates during the Canadian elections. One of them was this brash asshole who just spoke his mind. He didn’t really offer any solutions. He just said outrageous things. We thought it was funny. Nobody really thought he’d ever be president. It was a joke. But we just let the joke go on for too long. He kept gaining momentum, and by the time we were all ready to say, ‘OK, let’s get serious now. Who should really be president?’ He was already being sworn into office. We weren’t paying attention!”
 

Trojita

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No, please, do point where anybody has said that they want him being brutally raped every episode (though given how often they go to rape as a quick joke when they're out of ideas, it does sound like something they'd make a running gag).

I'll wait.

He was exhibiting hyperbole as a way to relay the fact that people complaining that South Park is somehow Alt-Right now obviously haven't watched the last season.
 

Lothar

Banned
No, please, do point where anybody has said that they want him being brutally raped every episode (though given how often they go to rape as a quick joke when they're out of ideas, it does sound like something they'd make a running gag).

I'll wait.

We've been trying to figure out for 17 pages what more people want them to say about Trump than they've already said and done to him. Maybe you have an answer. Just how much time should be focused on Trump so that they're no longer cowards?
 
Christ, some of you guys are batshit. What I got out of that is that they are not going to dedicate another season to Trump, which they shouldn't. The last season suffered a lot because of it. It doesn't mean that they won't acknowledge him at all. Not everything is a goddamn conspiracy.
 

Mega

Banned
Man it's fucking hysterical how the only ones lobbing out insults, derogatory shit, and anything resembling policing peoples attitudes here are the ones acting like we're just the worst human beings around for daring to have a different opinion on a fucking entertainment product than them.

Like Jesus fucking Christ.

Can you relax? See the post below.

I'm only posting in this thread because I'm gonna ban the lot of you if you don't break this silly slap fight and get back on topic.


No, please, do point where anybody has said that they want him being brutally raped every episode

To that effect a number of people ITT have said the creators should not quit and if they're outta ideas just do something dumb and very repetitive for x number of episodes. Some of the ideas included Trump dancing with Hitler every episode, Trump vomiting, Putin with his hand up his ass like a puppet in every episode. And I'm almost certain someone did in fact say to just have Trump getting fucked every episode. All I've read are terrible ideas about how to continue beating this dead horse. No one who is a fan of this show wants very limited bad ideas repeated over and over.
 

Dehnus

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Trying to steer us! You need to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZDK_LG9DuU

don't read YT comments

Also newer PC principal is better than older PC principal.

Because was designed to be the enemy, until "reveal surprise! He is the good guy to protect you form ads!" . I mean they basically said they themselves would go PC with that, and when the season finale ended? "Are we really going to do this? This is how things will stay? " and "buckle up buckaroos!" as Garrison wend for the Presidency to be their Trump criticism. Someone who broke ALL the rules, sinned more than anybody else and basically is an awful human being. Only to turn around and judge others on it. As that is what Donald Tramp is.... an awful person that broke al the rules he himself is agitating against now.
 

Audioboxer

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Because was designed to be the enemy, until "reveal surprise! He is the good guy to protect you form ads!" . I mean they basically said they themselves would go PC with that, and when the season finale ended? "Are we really going to do this? This is how things will stay? " and "buckle up buckaroos!" as Garrison wend for the Presidency to be their Trump criticism. Someone who broke ALL the rules, sinned more than anybody else and basically is an awful human being. Only to turn around and judge others on it. As that is what Donald Tramp is.... an awful person that broke al the rules he himself is agitating against now.

Sure, PC Principal's arch is actually pretty good, but many critics only "know" him for the mockery of political correctness. Some of which is funny. If you can't take your serious hat off to watch South Park then I don't know how you can get through any comedy, stand up or what not. Sometimes serious things in life can be joked about and laughed at.
 

PSqueak

Banned
I mean, libertarian is just a code word for republican

it's more like, too liberal to be a republican, too conservative to be a democrat, hated by either.

But in international scales, they're still seen as righties, because america is pretty right aligned in the greater scheme of things.
 
Are you really agreeing with the troll that people have been making fun of for 13 pages?

I'm not a troll nor am I the only one to call them cowards. Seriously they need to be going ham on Trump satire to convince their "both sides are wrong" audience that Trump is truly the worst. Donald Trump is the easiest guy to parody and South Park is a show about current events and everything Donald Trump does will be a huge current event 'til he's out of office. But they think liberals are whiny so fuck it both sides are wrong.
 

Audioboxer

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it's more like, too liberal to be a republican, too conservative to be a democrat, hated by either.

But in international scales, they're still seen as righties, because america is pretty right aligned in the greater scheme of things.

Eh, I think most international viewers of South Park probably just watch it to laugh at some shit, often Randy, not necessarily get hot political takes. I seen more people in the UK talk about Member Berries than really say much about the election stuff. I'd assume because the sucker punch of nostalgia hit home closer than election content that didn't directly affect them.

Hence there is a small grain of truth to asking is it really wise to dedicate another full season strictly to American politics? Sure, have some episodes (I still don't understand people zooming off to the clouds to state this means no Trump ever again!) around American politics, but it's their job to do another 10 episodes on it? lol... Some of us are looking forward to Cartman's hot take on the Nintendo Switch this season. In other words it's okay for South Park to be dumb comedy at times.
 
Well I will wait and see how they play out in the new season.

I think we would all be tired of the screwing with Drumpf every episode.
But should they use satire in an age were the US is moving towards and autocracy against said autocrasy? I fucking hope so.
 

MBison

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Parker and Stone are firmly in the middle/libertarian. It's been clearly established many times over. Both sides try to claim them as their own but from their own words:

Q: Are you two guys liberal or conservative? Me and my friends have had debates about this.
Parker: We avoid extremes but we hate liberals more than conservatives and we hate them [conservatives].
Stone: I hate conservatives but I really fucking hate liberals.
 

shoelacer

Banned
Guys who made Team America: "This guy is such a lunatic that we can't write fast enough to keep with hit batshittery"
PPL ITT: "Fuck these alt-right cowards"
Yeesh
 

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
Parker and Stone are firmly in the middle/libertarian. It's been clearly established many times over. Both sides try to claim them as their own but from their own words:

Q: Are you two guys liberal or conservative? Me and my friends have had debates about this.
Parker: We avoid extremes but we hate liberals more than conservatives and we hate them [conservatives].
Stone: I hate conservatives but I really fucking hate liberals.

That quote is from early 2000s this one came out when Team America was released.

Q: I don't know if you've heard about this, but there have been essays written about the concept of the "South Park Republican."
Parker: Yeah, we have seen that. What we're sick of—and it's getting even worse—is: you either like Michael Moore or you wanna fuckin' go overseas and shoot Iraqis. There can't be a middle ground. Basically, if you think Michael Moore's full of shit, then you are a super-Christian right-wing whatever. And we're both just pretty middle-ground guys. We find just as many things to rip on on the left as we do on the right. People on the far left and the far right are the same exact person to us.
 
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