But MisterXDTV was asking, is that enough to see the vast fps increase in Rainbow Six Siege without unlocking second half (the mirror) of the GPU?
Wait, terrorist hunt is the PvE AI enemy mode? (I don't own the game). That mode could be CPU bound.
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PS4 firmware 4.50 add Boost Mode for PS4 Pro.
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But MisterXDTV was asking, is that enough to see the vast fps increase in Rainbow Six Siege without unlocking second half (the mirror) of the GPU?
Wait, terrorist hunt is the PvE AI enemy mode? (I don't own the game). That mode could be CPU bound.
Wow, that's saying something for DC.
KojiKnight
Member
Would it really? Game logic is tied to cpu, not gpu. A few missed calls may cause graphical issues, but game logic that runs out of order because is unexpectedly finishing early could have game breaking consequences.
MisterXDTV
Member
Yeah but most PS4 games are locked to 30 fps anyway, so after you hit that, it's the right call to improve resolution/graphics
of course.
michalmarek77
Member
I'm playing Broforce right now. It maynot be locked 60 fps after all. Sadly.
Oberall game works great but there are som instances when you feel that game drops frames. Mostly during respawns. Also some minor drops during game. They're still noticable. For me, game works fine, drops are very minor, but i'm playing alone, offline mode.
I've checked again in Amateur mode.
Damn. Huge difference. In Beast mode game feels far more responsive, fluid and dips in performance are far less intrusive.
Oberall game works great but there are som instances when you feel that game drops frames. Mostly during respawns. Also some minor drops during game. They're still noticable. For me, game works fine, drops are very minor, but i'm playing alone, offline mode.
I've checked again in Amateur mode.
Damn. Huge difference. In Beast mode game feels far more responsive, fluid and dips in performance are far less intrusive.
True, that's why Sony didn't want to take any risks with Pro initially (by running at PS4 clocks) . Seems they done some more testing and changed their minds, or they were working on this mode but were not ready for launch.
P.S. I might finally buy Witcher 3, I was bi...ching a lot about the lack of patch for Pro
Caayn
Member
The GPU is a much more replaceable part in a system. It doesn't operate any game logic and at worst will result in a few graphical glitches. CPU issues will result in a crash or unexpected behaviour.
Clock alone wouldn't be enough. The GPU clock increase would only result in 200GFLOPS of extra processing power which isn't enough for the differences we're seeing.
Good to hear that both the GPU and CPU are running free in boost mode. Makes me assume that the increased memory bandwidth is also used in boost mode.
With what games have we seen the biggest fps increases?
Just Cause 3, Assassin's Creed Unity, Rainbow Six Siege (terrorist hunt mode). All 3 are big candidates for being CPU bound in Amateur mode.
Any other games with vast fps increases?
NXGamer
Member
It would but this is the reason behind the delay and "warning". They cannot know all the code paths and links so this allows them to release and find the games where this occurs.
Nothing in this kind of close level environment is a know entity. This is ready to go and this beta will probable be used to gain a whitelist of titles to include for boost mode.
Harmondale
Member
First time I feel ripped of by Sony
I picked up a ps4 slim in december, just because ps4 pro lacked this mode
This should have been announced on release, really frustrating
I picked up a ps4 slim in december, just because ps4 pro lacked this mode
This should have been announced on release, really frustrating
EmilioLargo
Member
Your PS4 slim does not magically run non-patched games worse than it did before, does it? Furthermore it is presumably more quiet than Pro in beast mode and power consumption is lower as well. Everyone on gaf recommended the Pro if you were looking for performance. I don't quite get this notion of "feeling ripped off".
The fuck you talking about?
Ps4 is a GCN 1.1 part and PS4 pro is GCN 1.4. GCN 1.4 has a few extra features, some need to be programmed for others work by default.
No part of the PS4 pro GPU is exactly the same as the OG PS4, the issue is that higher clocks affect cache and memory timings and any game that relies on those exact timings in OG PS4 will break with the up clocked cpu and/or GPU.
As it so happens very few games are coded to such a low level so the vast majority of games just work at higher frame rates (where frame rate locks are not restricting it). This is no different to upgrading a PC and running an old game at now higher frame rates.
From the words of Mark Cerny himself:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...tation-4-pro-how-sony-made-a-4k-games-machine
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Because it can cause problems on games. Sony always said that, well Cerny did. Now they probably have tested enough and decided to give us the option. XB1 to XB1S is laughable compared to the boost you get from PS4 to PS4 Pro.
Edit: Oh well, I see you got a couple of responses already
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
The timing of this tells me Sony are more 'concerned' about the impact Switch will have on the sales of the PS4 than the Scorpio.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Nope. Not really. The timing of this is Sony has tested it out on all the major titles and are confident there will be minimal game breakage from unlocking the hardware power.
I mean, Pro released 3 months ago, not 3 years ago.
NXGamer
Member
Both cases could result in unwanted behaviour and or complete lock/dump.And many titles Do use Gpu for some game logic which is only increasing.
This mode is for both and the reason they have delayed it is to refine the process. This release will pick out the titles that have locked timings to clock cycles or other issues caused by this increase. Race conditions ate always a risk and not everyone will use cycles to manage this.
The Maverick
Member
What's a Switch?
Lol ok, not the fact they wanted to test a feature before releasing it? Imagine if this was at launch and was borked there's not much coming back from something like that.
Wut?
No, it's just testing something, so you know, you don't get angry consumers with crashing consoles.
And since when switch is more powerfull than PS4? They are implementing feature requested by the users and they've started like 2 years ago.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Sorry, I didn't realise they could only have one update a year. My bad, just ignore.
lmao.
Because it can cause problems on games. Sony always said that, well Cerny did. Now they probably have tested enough and decided to give us the option. XB1 to XB1S is laughable compared to the boost you get from PS4 to PS4 Pro.
Edit: Oh well, I see you got a couple of responses already
It wasnt about the power difference really.
I don't think that people who care about PS4 Pro features are typical Nintendo's userbase.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yeah, you're probably right. I very much doubt that a current PS4 owner will want to buy a second console, they're all more likely to upgrade to the Pro, even without this firmware update. There's no way anyone who was going to buy a PS4 would instead buy a Switch. That would be an insane position to hold. I originally thought it would have probably created quite the buzz if they'd held this back for a firmware update closer to the Scorpios release, but I now see that would make no sense.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Yes it is. I guess it is easier for Microsoft to ensure compatibility with a minor upclock than it is for Sony with a major upgrade. This is what I am trying to say and why it took a while for them to give us the option.
of course. If game already runs at 30 or 60 fps locked without dips, then there won't be any performance boost. Except loading times maybe.
Well, that's certainly nice. The Witcher 3 footage looked night and day. I played it on my beefy PC, but when I watched my friend play it on his OG PS4 I felt so bad for him - that shit was kind of sloppy. He put it down about halfway through, but just this month he got a Pro. Shot him the link, I bet he's going to be excited.
MisterXDTV
Member
This. Xbone S has a laughable upgrade compared to Xbox One:
Code:
CPU 1.75GHz AMD Jaguar eight-core 1.75GHz AMD Jaguar eight-core
GPU 12 Compute Units 12 Compute Units
GPU Clock 914MHz 853MHz
Compute Performance 1.4TF 1.31TF
ESRAM Bandwidth 219GB/s 204GB/sThey are completely unrelated.
He is describing what they did at a conceptual level, not the architecture that was used which is GCN 1.4+. I say + because it also includes double rate fp16 and a couple of other vega features.
It is not half GCN 1.1 and half GCN 1.4
MrMephistoX
Member
How did games with dynamic scaling work? They didnt ran and looked better also?
Of course, but conceptually describing the Pro GPU is enough to show how much different it is to the PS4 when my reply was to a post asking why it would be different than the Xbox One S when that is just a miniscule CPU clock increase over Xbox One with the exact same GPU.
On Pro? No, when running non-patched games everything was locked down to act exactly like the PS4.
BigEmil
Junior Member
Games that are unlocked FPS and with Rainbow Six Siege it going up to like around 90fps can cause stress on the hardware more
Kenzodielocke
Banned
If the game doesn't have a pro mode, the console clocks down to PS4 clocks, so it runs exactly like on PS4. Now games can run better, without a pro mode needed.
The Pro mode overrides Boost.
Already has a pro patch no?.
Well game engines that are written at a very low level would be more susceptible to variations in CPU clockspeed than GPU clock speed in terms of errant behaviour.
Also you said
Which is completely false because you are describing the GPU layout, not the underlying architecture, which is a slight improvement over GCN 1.4 as used in the RX480.
It's like saying that Bonaire and Hawaii have different architectures because Hawaii has more CUs, ROPs, tmus etc.
Same query ... anyone ?
If Sony and MS are concered about the Switch they will drop price for Slim and Xbone S in March or make some promotions.
The Hamburglar
Banned
has anyone tried battlefield 4?