onemanasylum
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Polygon: Nintendo is already repeating the Wii U's mistakes with Switch
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LOL.
Polygon told him there's a drought, so surely one must exist.
They would never mislead their loyal readers.
The perfect Dark
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Exactly.
Regardless of anything else, withholding info through the last two weeks before launch isn't helpful, and it leaves room for buyers to not understand details of what's on offer. Which is one of the points of the article.
I'll say simply that if you don't understand how sincere criticism is a prompt to respond, clarify or adjust, that's on you.
I think that's unlikely.
b00_thegh0st
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I don't know if I'm a good sample of the GAF demographics but: I have a time-consuming job, a wife, my spring free-time schedule is almost fully booked with friends and family. Zelda and Bomberman will carry me to MK launch date.
As a kid it took me 6+ months to play through FF6.
Not everyone rips through games like core gamers do.
The typical Nintendo audience is going to be mostly fine with the 1st party release schedule.
How can you mix Polygon with any credibility ? Remember the MK 8 pie chart ? Remember how they play DooM (2016) ? Remember how "Sorry, Nintendo: Splatoon wouldn't make a good eSports" ?
Can't wait for their "Zelda pie chart and why it will bomb and cause Nintendo to go 3rd party".
Can't wait for their "Zelda pie chart and why it will bomb and cause Nintendo to go 3rd party".
The Switch is completely sold out everywhere. But go on about how Nintendo is doing everything wrong.
Sincere criticism would be fine. Ignored facts is not.
WrenchNinja
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It's pretty embarrassing, especially in the My Nintendo thread.
robertsan21
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Great stuff by Polygon.
I for one think the price on Switch is way to high. Hopefully it bombs. Nintendo should go third party or try and compete with the big boys and beef shit up in the Hardwear division.
I really wanted to play Zelda, but i probably wont be playing it on a switch. To expensive for what you get.
I for one think the price on Switch is way to high. Hopefully it bombs. Nintendo should go third party or try and compete with the big boys and beef shit up in the Hardwear division.
I really wanted to play Zelda, but i probably wont be playing it on a switch. To expensive for what you get.
Jimmyfenix
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TalentAlwaysWins
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Using the "it's sold out" like it's an accomplishment for a new system which is already supply constraint isn't a valid excuse for information being withheld 2 weeks before launch. Also it's not sold out everywhere just in the US cause I'm pretty sure in the U.K. it's readily available.
Cool. The Wii U didn't sell out. So this articles point is moot.
7DollarHagane
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I don't trust polygon or Chris grant about Nintendo at all. They have made with pretty clear they don't understand a gameplay over technology approach and if a device doesn't stack up to their expectations made by Apple devices or consumer electronics they don't like it.
I understand that opinion but I find it totally useless as I simply do not care about what a Nintendo console does beyond playing games.
I understand that opinion but I find it totally useless as I simply do not care about what a Nintendo console does beyond playing games.
chicagocubsfan
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It's a new gaming system and Nintendo(especially NOA) is the king of under supplying product. It not being able to be preordered 2 weeks before launch is not especially impressive. I hope it does gangbusters but like I said earlier Nintendo doesn't seem to be learning from mistakes which is worrying.
Vanillalite
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I've been saying this for weeks now. People on GAF keep telling me they got time to tell us. Meanwhile crickets chirping.
Plus even if it has preorder well or went the other way and preordered badly that isn't really a factor here.
It's about Nintendo just not explaining a key component of their product. That's true regardless of sales #s.
Plus even if it has preorder well or went the other way and preordered badly that isn't really a factor here.
It's about Nintendo just not explaining a key component of their product. That's true regardless of sales #s.
TalentAlwaysWins
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onemanasylum
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This thread is filled with people giving fake concern over a launch that is entirely sold out.
It doesn't really matter that much if you are going to "wait it out" at this point since supply is going to force you to for a while probably anyways.
Hasn't the Switch already sold more preorders than the Wii U sold in the first month and a half?
It doesn't really matter that much if you are going to "wait it out" at this point since supply is going to force you to for a while probably anyways.
Hasn't the Switch already sold more preorders than the Wii U sold in the first month and a half?
Should be a interesting next few weeks hopefully more "official" details are going to roll out. I enjoyed my Wii U even if it was a commercial failure I see their point but I think things will turn out differently this time. Holding out hope for a new 2D Metroid game........... *single tear rolls down*
onemanasylum
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LOL, selling out at launch means nothing really, and there is not just "Fake" Concern, especially when Nintendo has a history of dwindling console sales and presence.
This thread is filled with people defending nintendo to validate their purchase....See two can make silly statements.
I thought it was more about justification of the purchase for people who already preordered theirs.
Manmademan
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Here is the problem with that reasoning.
The DS launched in 2011, before anyone had heard of an ipad, and the most advanced iphone was the 4. Smartphone penetration, mobile gaming as a platform and a competitor to traditional gaming wasn't anywhere near as robust. All things being equal, you launch the 3DS in 2017 and it doesn't get anywhere near 60 ish million.
on top of that, the 3DS launched at $249 and sold TERRIBLY. Nintendo saw no actual traction with that system until they massively cut the price to $179 six months later, then were forced to retool the 3DS even further into the stripped down 2DS to get the price target to $99. It took all of THAT to hit 60 ish million in a field with no other viable competition in the dedicated handheld space, as the vita was dead on arrival.
We also ignore that the Switch is positioning itself both price wise and strategically as a home console- albeit one that can be taken on the road when necessary. consoles tend to be sold one per household, handhelds one per person. The likelihood of homes with multiple switch units is fairly slim here- that wasn't the case with the 3DS and 2DS.
The 3DS was outdated hardware the second it hit shelves. The Vita was light years past it by the time it hit. That's what allowed nintendo to slash the price repeatedly on it to gain sales traction. The Switch is launching at a full $50 higher than the 3DS did and is ABSOLUTELY NOT in this category- it's the most powerful mobile hardware that exists, and it's closest analogue, the Nvidia Shield Tablet is still selling at $199 with no joycons or dock a full three years after it's launch and a small redesign. Slashing $100 off the retail price within a year simply isn't realistic without nintendo taking massive losses- and the insane pricing on Switch Accessories seems to back this up. There's no reason to sell $80 controllers if the console itself has any kind of margin.
40 to 50 million is completely out of the question as things stand with the Switch right now.
Zombie James
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-Pyromaniac-
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I've said it before. I really hope it's successful but everything we've seen so far is definitely worrying. I think the biggest mistake with the wii u is that when it became an officially designated flop, they really did absolutely nothing to even try to recover it like they did with the 3DS.
I hope this time if the first few months are showing bad signs, they don't wait and see and take action. Do whatever you gotta do, throw whatever money you have to throw at whatever you have to throw it at. This is pretty much the last chance.
They nailed the hardware, they seriously just need to step up the games and give more details for online functionality.
I hope this time if the first few months are showing bad signs, they don't wait and see and take action. Do whatever you gotta do, throw whatever money you have to throw at whatever you have to throw it at. This is pretty much the last chance.
They nailed the hardware, they seriously just need to step up the games and give more details for online functionality.
7DollarHagane
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There's honestly zero reason to do any "informational" type reveals or advertising right now. That makes sense over the summer as they build up to the holiday.
Since every launch unit is sold they only stand to lose by going in too much detail about the system. That's not nice to say but it's the reality of it.
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It was kind of a fake sell out at launch though as a lot of scalper bought product got returned as it had little demand in marked up prices in the second hand market, and it was rarely not readily available from second shipment on.
Those will be key early indicators for the success of the Switch launch. 1) Are the scalped consoles selling at high mark up to indicate high demand. 2) How soon after launch is it easy to find on store shelves?
If it fails most of those, it doesn't mean it's doomed--just look at the botched 3DS and PS3 launches. It just means Nintendo will have a lot of work to do. If it's selling at big markup and stock is flying off shelves for months, Nintendo probably has a decent hit on their hands if they can keep the games coming.
Would the perspective that Wii U pre-orders were also sold out before launch help you understand how little bearing that has on what they bring up in the article? The same factors of real demand and scalper demand are in play for both systems, and what you're saying is just deflection.
When reasonable product details are stll missing on the eve of a product launch, it leaves room for people's expectations to be confused. It's one of the sources of product backlash and negative word-of-mouth when something does hit the market.
There's also been significantly more units available for preorder than the Wii U.
But that's not even my point. The consoles are already sold. The only people they need to sell it tow are those after launch. So they have time to get this information out there. As much as it sucks for consumers.
In what world do you live in where the Wii U was ever sold out? There were always plenty of white base units available.
If there's stock on shelves, gasp, it's not sold out. The Switch will be near impossible to find.
onemanasylum
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Proof?
So you are from the future? Wii-u got a shipment launch day, it may also happen for switch and there will be some on shelves.
the unfortunate thing about all this is that gamers like you are the 'collateral damage' of console war politics.
If you make use of a product and it gives you a certain level of satisfaction, then NO ONE has a right (whether through direct belittlement or innuendo) to make you feel stupid just because your choice of product goes 'against the grain'.
simply put, don't let it get to you. honestly. turn off the internet msg board, turn on your console of choice, and just enjoy being immersed in the game you're playing.
People who make fun of you/ or belittle you for your choices (whether gaming or just life in general) do so because they feel your choice, on a subconscious level, is a threat to the enjoyment of THEIR choice, and is more of a reflection of their state of mind, as opposed to yours.
as far as gaming is concerned, i have been playing games for over 25 yrs, and i have not yet owned a console made by a major hardware manufacturer that WASN'T worth owning - lots of bullshit has been said about sega, nintendo, sony, ms, & even atari; and when you hear this constant vitriol by people claiming to be 'fans', it can get you down - yet when you isolate all the feeble, small minded, console war bullshit, what you have, in any case, are products that are quite enjoyable & entertaining.
Zen_Arcade
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Snipperclips and Snake Pass look cool.
Granted, you can get Snake Pass on other consoles, but as long as it runs well and is fun it's still a new game you can get on your Switch that seems like it'll be good.
Also, I'm buying Binding Of Issac on it. It's an old game but it seems perfect for the Switch and I've never played the expansion.
I'll play Super Bomberman every weekend if it plays well and there are enough people online.
4 games in a month is plenty for me. Even if one of them is something I've played before.
Same. It would strike me as odd if they don't do an overview of online before the launch. Sure, VC probably won't be there, but we have not seen what the e-Shop functionality will be at all.
TheMoon
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Yes, there is a lack of details regarding system/online features. There's no opinion there, just how it is. They did a rundown of all that stuff on Wii U two weeks before launch. Mostly because they did a lot of new things (for them) there (accounts, etc) so that was necessary. My problem is, what do we absolutely need to know now before it is out? Do we flip on our purchase design one way or the other if we know "wow, it has brightness settings" or "the eShop now has the menu on the right side" or "I can make 8 accounts instead of 12?" Personally, I feel if that stuff is what breaks the camel's back, then why day-1 anyway? I have a huge larger issue with the day-1 hype culture and incessant need to have EVERY THING KNOWN RIGHT NOW WAIT NOT YESTERDAY in general. A lot of the recent friction some of my reactions here have caused came from me just being a lot more chill about certain things than others.
What bothers me about the hook of the article is that it pushes the "here we go again!" notion when I see a very different picture when looking at the whole rollout of stuff and what they've said/shown/announced/detailed/not detailed. Since this needs clarifying: no, this does not mean that I think everything is 100% perfect and oh my god they could never do wrong because they don't even know what the concept of wrong is so right are they 100% of the time. This also doesn't mean I want to see articles that go "woohoo, they're doing everything so right!" This is where (paraphrased with a new shitposting twist) "fuck off with that narrative" comes from.
This point is essentially the only thing I can really agree with there:
It takes too much manual labor to get the info that might change your stance on a problem, as evidenced by the fact that the article needed to be updated regarding the NNID/phone call thing. Something I'd a) the press should be aware of by now and b) Nintendo would have communicated by now through other means than word-of-mouth.
The rest of the piece is mostly just running down old issues that don't tell me anything about the Switch situation.
That's an actual fair point.
Feel free to keep believing that then, I guess. I know we went over this in another thread a while ago...
TalentAlwaysWins
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Jimmyfenix
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http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/01/11/how-successful-was-the-wii-u-launch
we all know what happened afterwards
we all know what happened afterwards
You can do the googling yourself. There were less than a million Wii U's sold in the first six weeks according to the very. First IGN article that pops up when searching. And by all accounts there are more than that available for the Switch preorders.
The Wii U had massively constrained shipments. Some of you must have completely blocked that out of your memory.
VendettaRed07
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The biggest problems with wiiu were its confusing branding, the marketing and communication as to what the device does, and its game library its first year.
It's incredibly hard to argue that Nintendo is making the same mistakes in any category here.
The launch isn't great but it at least has Zelda and some good stuff is seemingly coming out every month for the next few months through the rest of the year
After Wiius poor launch there was literally NOTHING for 8 fucking months until Pikimin 3 came out
It's incredibly hard to argue that Nintendo is making the same mistakes in any category here.
The launch isn't great but it at least has Zelda and some good stuff is seemingly coming out every month for the next few months through the rest of the year
After Wiius poor launch there was literally NOTHING for 8 fucking months until Pikimin 3 came out
He can't be from the future. Wii U stock is completely sold out in the future.
Okay. So what you're saying is, even though there were tons of units on shelves, the Wii U was still sold out, because the plastic was white instead of black.
onemanasylum
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Less then a million in the US.....Worldwide is a thing bro lol. Again Proof? I think you need to do some research,
it sold over 600K and 400 K in Japan and the US, that's 1 million there.....Us is not the world bro.
Me either. That whole Mario Kart pie chart comes to mind.
Do research before attempting to make a point? Why should they do that when the prestigious folks at Polygon don't have to?
-sticks fingers in ears- lalala same thing
onemanasylum
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I think you are the one who needs to research...US <> world...Wii-u sold well initially at launch.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012...ag-original-wii-but-better-than-xbox-360-ps3/
The Wii U sales contributed to over 1.2 million units of Nintendo hardware sold for the Thanksgiving week, including 300,000 Wii systems, 275,000 units of the original Nintendo DS line, and 250,000 3DS systems. The 3DS has now sold 6 million units worldwide, about 1 million more than the original DS had sold at the same point in its life cycle.
Both of my statements were pertaining to the US. Both the Wii U sales and Switch allotment. They only had ~460k Wii U's available in the US the first week.
Use your own search engine skills, bro.
Mrstriker09
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it will sell well out the gate but after that who knows with the lineup they have lol. Meanwhile customers can get a Ps4 or X1 for 249 with a game. By the time holidays hit Ps4 slim and Xs will be 199.99 for sale i would say. Along with having the ps4 pro and Xbox Scorpio.
Sold well =/= Sold out. The hype for the Wii U was non existent. There wasn't a single game on the console, people didn't know what the heck a Wii U even was. The situation couldn't be more different today. People who haven't picked up a game console since the Wii are excited about the Switch. Marketing is everything.
PS4 and X1 aren't portable.
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