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JonTron (youtuber) speaks against demographic "invasion" of America by nonwhites
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HazySaiyan
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Yeah I found there was a Bureau of Justice Statistics and a Department of Justice.
Why is TB attempting to discredit Gizmodo before even starting with the topic? Sure they're biased but Jon said some horrible shit.
This is from the livestream right?
lensoftruth
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This always seems to happen on a YouTube channel for kids doesn't it? These people never grew up and their casual racist slurs turned into twisted views of the world.
LonelyGreyWolf
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I don't think a vast majority of his viewers will ever even hear of this, dude. Unless this hits really mainstream media.
The problem is, nobody's gonna talk about Jon's hideous views. PewDiePie is on a whole other level of popularity compared to Jon. Come to think of it, when PDP got cut off by his sponsors, they even talked about it on a news segment on French radio (that's how I first learned about it). He's thatbig.
Jon's career won't be affected in the slightest. People are still gonna support him, whether because they won't know about what he said, or because they agree with him. And that's the most depressing thing about it.
Yeah its strange that hes making it about Gizmodo and not the one and a half hour stream Jon was in.
Why does this remind me of and make me as angry as the Skittle statement Trump Jr. made
This, I wouldn't know if it wasn't for neogaf.
There is a Bureau of Justice Statistics. I checked their articles on homicides but couldn't find any data regarding homicides by race and income level in the same chart. I did find this series of charts showing "rate of violent victimization" per race, income level and residential area. Shockingly enough, it doesn't support JonTron's claims.
Edit: Or I guess this is showing crimes victimized by rather than committed?
Isn't that about victims? (Hence the word victimization?).
He's got one foot in the pool but swears that he's above it all, despite uploading two awful commentaries on it where he basically just peacocks about his audience size, how he doesn't give a fuck, and how bad Gawker is.
I hope it turns out that he didn't watch the stream bit. If he did and still went ahead with the soundcloud crap, then he is indeed a fuckstick.
I don't know how he can lecture people about rabble-rousing with a straight face when that's basically what he built his YT channel on. I guess it's okay to go after devs but if you want to get a condemnation of full blown racism... that's gonna take some time in TB's world.
AnathemicOne
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Like legit, I've learned that Destiny has traveled beyond America (that StarCraft worldwide traibing) but has Jon ever stepped foot in another country let alone outside his house (the dude somehow lives in diverse NYC)?
Yeah I edited, I checked their articles on violent crime and they all seem to be regarding victimization rather than crimes committed.
When did Jon support women harrassement?
I'm not sure he did but wasn't he part of gamergate too?
SerTapTap
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Triggerhappytel
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J: "You speak pretty my friend but you haven't convinced me ... Look, you can speak flowery language about all this stuff..." (approx 1:13:30 in the YouTube video)
Interpretation: I'm too dumb to understand what you're saying.
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J: "Have gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries. That's fine, that's great."
D: "No, no we haven't! What do you mean?!"
J: "If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination you're living in a fantasy land."
(approx 1:14:30 in the YouTube video)
I think this is my new favourite Dumbest Thing Jon Said in the video. There's a ton to choose from but this might be the most obviously nonsense.
Interpretation: I'm too dumb to understand what you're saying.
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J: "Have gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries. That's fine, that's great."
D: "No, no we haven't! What do you mean?!"
J: "If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination you're living in a fantasy land."
(approx 1:14:30 in the YouTube video)
I think this is my new favourite Dumbest Thing Jon Said in the video. There's a ton to choose from but this might be the most obviously nonsense.
Well he said to Destiny he has been to Iran once (stated elsewhere it was when he was really young).
But he mostly uses his Iranian background for jokes and isn't really too into it (no way he actually knows Farsi). Which is fine, it's just that it's weird he uses it as a defence when he never really cared for it in the first place.
FlutterPuffs
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Someone should drill it into their heads that the reason why is that Youtubers are now big enough to become under scrutiny of the media.
If they think this is bad then they shouldn't have worked so hard to get popilar.
JonnyDBrit
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Honestly makes you wonder if JT has very specific understandings of negative concepts that allow him to avoid considering himself as affected by them, but to anyone outside him, they clearly apply. In a similar fashion, he's not 'racist' in his view because he hasn't actively screamed slurs at or tried to lynch someone, even while he has prejudices against people on the basis of their ethnicity, race, or religion.
chaobreaker
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Moved to the ethnically diverse city of NYC from his just as ethnically diverse (if not more) diverse home state of California to advance his career as an international entertainer.
Dude is a shining example of the immigrant success story in America and he wants no one else to experience it, not even someone who might have the exact same background as his Iranian father.
What a selfish human being.
yeah, this was particularly mind blowing.
The market is always right and should decide everything but which racists keep and lose their jobs.
SerTapTap
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Yeah, I've noticed a certain element of the current crop of racists is VERY careful to not use certain words. Can't be racist if you don't specifically say the N word. Take that, liberals!!
Triggerhappytel
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I'm just listening to TotalBiscuit's SoundCloud conversation on this now. Basically he skirts around anything Jon says other than briefly saying he doesn't agree and some of it is clearly wrong before putting like 28 minutes of effort into bashing Gizmodo. He even says that far-right extremism has risen in part because of bullshit from "Old Media".
EDIT - oh my god; near the end of the video he says that with concerning political issues in the modern landscape we shouldn't waste concern on comments from someone like JonTron. So basically a complete dismissal of what's said because there are bigger things to worry about.
EDIT 2 - and at the very end he closes off the video by saying Gawker Media are a bunch of bullies and suggests this article was made for this purpose only. What fucking nonsense.
EDIT - oh my god; near the end of the video he says that with concerning political issues in the modern landscape we shouldn't waste concern on comments from someone like JonTron. So basically a complete dismissal of what's said because there are bigger things to worry about.
EDIT 2 - and at the very end he closes off the video by saying Gawker Media are a bunch of bullies and suggests this article was made for this purpose only. What fucking nonsense.
Narpas Sword0
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Does he work for Did You Know Gaming or just provide voice work? Have they said anything about all this?
ElBoxyBrown
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The most beautiful thing to happen in Trump's America is that people are now not gonna dance around your toxic BS. That era is done.
What i'm talking about is further growth, though.
He has well produced videos, he could've been bigger than he is, i think.
Triggerhappytel
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Just going to post this because some people keep mentioning how H3H3 called out Jon on his actions once before. This is 100% sarcasm.
Sigh. People to unfollow:
JonTron (already done months ago)
TotalBiscuit
H3H3
Anyone else?
I have subbed to Destiny but if most of his stuff is MOBAs or online games I'm not sure how much of his content I will actually watch.
mdtauk
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Arin's laughter there - in retrospect - seems so uncomfortable and nervous, rather than finding what he said funny.
Orniletter
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I genuinely don't mean this to body shame him or to point fingers, but from my own experience:
You'd think that someone who... is no Adonis... would have experienced discrimination because of his appearance himself.
His absolute lack of empathy is extremely alarming.
You'd think that someone who... is no Adonis... would have experienced discrimination because of his appearance himself.
His absolute lack of empathy is extremely alarming.
mdtauk
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That is the curse of the self-confident (or the self deluded) who find some success in life, and assume others who are minorities, non heterosexuals, women, or not experiencing a societal priviledge - don't need a helping hand, or a change in attitudes to see similar success.
chaobreaker
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That subreddit got brigaded by /pol/ and /r/the_cheeto so the mods decided to lock posting and relegate all discussion to some megathreads.
TotalBiscuit's manner is pretty painful. It's like pure, filtered smarm. Plus dat weird Americanised English accent.
His point about how little Gizmodo waited for comment is valid, but it's irritating that he's deflecting any criticism of the actual article to Gawker politically and how they handled the creation of the article rather than what JonTron said.
I can't believe he's just not talking about JonTron at all.
So on point
Yeesh
His point about how little Gizmodo waited for comment is valid, but it's irritating that he's deflecting any criticism of the actual article to Gawker politically and how they handled the creation of the article rather than what JonTron said.
I can't believe he's just not talking about JonTron at all.
So on point
Yeesh
Darryl M R
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TB first SoundCloud was very preachy. Like baptist church preachy. I believe around the 15 minute mark you can hear how his speech patterns start to follow a certain tempo.
Carefully paced. Pause. Say your last line. Repeat the last word you just said. Repeat with the next thought.
I called out H3H3 around October when he started showing signs of GG and alt-right humor. And now he gives out passes to people to make anti-Semitic "jokes" because he is Jewish. That's now how it works. I can't hand out Black cards.
Carefully paced. Pause. Say your last line. Repeat the last word you just said. Repeat with the next thought.
Just going to post this because some people keep mentioning how H3H3 called out Jon on his actions once before. This is 100% sarcasm.
I called out H3H3 around October when he started showing signs of GG and alt-right humor. And now he gives out passes to people to make anti-Semitic "jokes" because he is Jewish. That's now how it works. I can't hand out Black cards.
feel bad for the guy
Hmmm, /pol/ and /r/the donald are rushing to his defense, could this be a sign of how his shitty attitude is drawing a certain fanbase and highlighting that he is actually a shitty person?
Nah that can't be it, both sides are bad, it's just his opinion you gotta respect it.
Apparently the whole Americans think someone is smart even though they're saying something stupid because they have have a British accent is actually thing...
So expect people to push TB as some calm and reasonable messiah.
Darryl M R
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I don't. He's a bigot.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Nope.
drtomoe123
Member
Every villain comes from somewhere. The more we can recognize why people adopt the beliefs they do is precisely how we change them. Believing that people are inherently evil/stupid/horrible and unchangeable just means that we'll never have real, lasting change.
TotalBiscuit's podcast was like a bowl of ice cold water to me.
He is right. JonTron's views lack factual foundation and he is absolutely wrong in almost all of the things he brought up in that talk with Destiny, but that does not give me the right to be part of a witch hunt.
He is right. JonTron's views lack factual foundation and he is absolutely wrong in almost all of the things he brought up in that talk with Destiny, but that does not give me the right to be part of a witch hunt.
H3H3 has done good staying the heck away from this debacle, though, which is on another level. (Although posts right above don't sound great...)
Yick, maybe I should become some sort of prominent personality then. T_T
I remember seeing a video H3H3 made about how feminists trigger him and I was like "People on GAF think this a is a cool dude?" I heard of him first through a GAF thread BTW.
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