Why do you think people are buying downgraded ports of console games on 3DS/Vita/DS/PSP ?
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Why do you think people are buying downgraded ports of console games on 3DS/Vita/DS/PSP ?
Add TMs and "thanks to the power of the PS4 Pro" to this post and you'd have a pretty decent PR message
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DXB-KNIGHT
Member
This is Capcom we are talking about, you never really know what they're going to do whether it makes sense or not.
A lot of people don't care about the graphical differences between platforms.
test_account
XP-39C²
A lot of people buy the Vita version of multiplatform games, its the same thing there. Its the same with PS4/PC too, when games also are out for PC, they would look better there. Many people also just sport one system, or have one as their main system.
Jon Carter
Member
You seem to look at the Switch as just an underpowered home console. It's easy for me to understand why people would rather play games on a hybrid than a stationary system. It's just a really convenient, very cool piece of hardware and it feels great to use. Graphical downgrades and a 30 FPS framerate doesn't matter much to most people, especially if they are not aware of how the other versions look and perform, and for those that intend on doing most of the playing in handheld or tabletop mode, graphical downgrades are almost irrelevant.
PdotMichael
Banned
Is there some incoming event or why don't we see more Switch announcements right now?
Herb Alpert
Banned
I'd wait until the end of the year before Casting doom on switch third party support.
Yup, i'm not even holding E3 as a barometer, it's more if TGS comes and goes and the Japanese third party games are still looking barren, then that's when i'll start getting concerned for the support from the East.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
First it was wait for the January event. When that appeared largely absent, it was wait for closer to launch. Numerous games announced, none for Switch, the stance was changed to wait for after launch......and now we are here: waiting for TGS.
No I'm saying having all those great games helped Wii U go from total embarrassment to embarrassment so while helpful, there is a ceiling on a pure nintendo software console and we saw that ceiling with the Wii U.
If we're referring to the January event
DQX
DQXI
DQHI-II
Bomberman
Shin Megami Tensei
Project Octopath Traveller
Ultra Street Fighter II
+ mentions of unnamed Tales of, Taiko no Tatsujin and Story of Seasons (yeah, I know) doesn't sound that empty to me (I'm referring to a broader, more general view). Also, the past few months since the Switch event haven't exactly been characterised by such a huge amount of Japanese third party announcements overall...probably the contrary: just these past few weeks saw more movement on the PlayStation side thanks also to the Dengeki event.
No, we saw the ceiling of how much pure Nintendo software can help an unattractive piece of hardware with Wii U. Clearly, this is not the case with the Switch, at least at the current state of things.
Jon Carter
Member
You're clearly implying third-party games will never come in big numbers with that post. It's like you're begging to be proven wrong. Third-party support in Japan is highly likely and it's not particularly hard to see why announcements aren't dropping left and right just yet. You should have waited a few months before making that post because the chances your derision is warranted are slim.
I too fail to see why anyone would want to play shitty games like FFXV, RE7, and Tomv Raider when they could play Zelda instead.
I think there's hope if we look at the DS's first year,
if I remember correctly, the first essential games in JP were Jump stars and Nintendogs, it took a while for those to appear, right? a year maybe?
before that, the hardware was doing solid if not spectacular and software was meh,
when it was clear the DS was going to dominate, japan devs/pubs acknolwedged their new overlord and made it a must to develop software for it. .
Switch seems to have gotten so far a good response from consumers in Japan so it could follow that trajectory
nintendo needs to put hardware in stores... ASAP
if I remember correctly, the first essential games in JP were Jump stars and Nintendogs, it took a while for those to appear, right? a year maybe?
before that, the hardware was doing solid if not spectacular and software was meh,
when it was clear the DS was going to dominate, japan devs/pubs acknolwedged their new overlord and made it a must to develop software for it. .
Switch seems to have gotten so far a good response from consumers in Japan so it could follow that trajectory
nintendo needs to put hardware in stores... ASAP
I should seriously get on making the first years' comparison, because even the almighty PS4 had major problems in getting games in its early state (I mean releases for its first months), the same Vita and Wii U. The 3DS had this problem as well, even if I'd dare to say less pronounced than other recent platforms, which was probably a consequence of coming off the DS and specific companies being way more prolific at retail than what they are now *cough Capcom cough*.
Also (less serious time) Psycho_Mantis is on a mission from God currently to discredit as much as possible positive news on the Switch through posting accurate sales numbers / comparisons but trying to bring the discussion quite obsessively in his favour because Sony rocks, or just going with extremely biased claims in other threads, much more than before the Switch happened; Orgen will agree with me. I can smell some fear from his own behaviour, I'll be honest
PdotMichael
Banned
Love that shifting from announced games to first months releases.
I don't remember that the PS4 lineup for the near future was some state secret.
I don't remember that the PS4 lineup for the near future was some state secret.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
DQX and DQ11 were known beforehand iirc. You got 1 game from the BD devs, a SMT sequel that hasn't even begun serious development and a SF2 upgraded SKU.
Come on.
What are big numbers? We don't need to be vague about these things. Is it going to get the same support as PS4? No. Is it going to get the same support as 3DS? Highly unlikely. Is it going to get more support than WiiU? Without a doubt.
Also (less serious time) Psycho_Mantis is on a mission from God currently to discredit as much as possible positive news on the Switch through posting accurate sales numbers / comparisons but trying to bring the discussion quite obsessively in his favour because Sony rocks, or just going with extremely biased claims in other threads, much more than before the Switch happened; Orgen will agree with me. I can smell some fear from his own behaviour, I'll be honest
Yes. I am very scared the Switch will dominate Japan. Me posting accurate sales numbers/comparisons or lineup comparisons is enough to make you bothered it seems and it should. Things are different in realisation and I think you know that as well.
What shifting? There was talk earlier about the pace of initial releases / announcements for last consoles releases in Japan, and I also showed interest in making such comparison while asking what would be the better criteria for it.
PdotMichael
Banned
We are talking and you even quoted a post about announcements.
That the first months third party support is lackluster is obvious, that ship sailed months ago.
It's quite silly to think that people are supposed to wait until the end of September for the TGS to get an idea what is coming for the Switch in the future.
How do you know this? I don't even know if it's a sequel to anything. Your uncle works at Atlus?
I'm referring to posts in earlier pages in this thread, like page 11 if you have 50ppp, it was a mention for that. Also, of course announcements include first months releases as well.
Also, it's not silly to wait until the end of the year to see, between this year's releases and above all announcements for 2018, what is the actual state of things for Switch in terms of support for its future. I mean, that would be a fairly reasonable criteria to judge broader perspectives of support from third party companies.
Eolz
Member
I wish I had your crystal ball.
I think it's pretty hard to predict which kind of support the Switch will get at this point, be it due to communication and strategy choices, or simply due to plans changing from sales numbers and financial health of companies.
I don't think PS4 is a serious danger for Switch on the go. As for multiplatform happening or not it's still too early to tell, Vita/PS4 and not Switch essentially getting a G version of a Vita/PS4 game is not a good predictor.
One may think so, but they did nothing of that with Miitomo. Also Pokemon Company is vastly more flexible than Nintendo in a lot of things, the change Nintendo went through between Miitomo and Mario Run was noteworthy.
Hardware is selling out. Games can't sell if nobody can get the hardware it runs on. Announcements will come when there is need for more pushes.
Arghh, I missed so much stuff when I was asleep.
It might be a bit early but there's not only a lack of announcements in that vein but publishers aren't even implying that Switch is going to fit into that paradigm.-
It might be a bit early but there's not only a lack of announcements in that vein but publishers aren't even implying that Switch is going to fit into that paradigm.-
Herb Alpert
Banned
You shouldn't be so pessimistic when you just wake up.
Why not take some time? System isn't even a month old. Given Nintendo past record it was obvious third parties wouldn't go out all guns out at release. Now hardware seems to sell good, it could interest some and push those who were on the fence.
Yeah, I'm sure publishers want to kill the handheld market that is still significantly bigger than the home console market in Japan. They might just not care enough to relieve random forum goers from such insecurities.
Its just sooooooo early to make these types of judgments. I think people are mis-remembering the actual 3DS 3rd party game announcements that were made at launch. We'll see.
Its the Circle of Life xD
Hey! The other guy is just posting accurate sales numbers!
He is psycho mantis.
PdotMichael
Banned
Yeah, not announcing their games appears to be the smarter business decision.
Triplicates
Member
It makes sense that Switch might be dogged by a few questions. Its price point is relatively high, and it isn't the typical handheld. But if those concerns can be quelled by say strong sales performance or the arrival of handheld mainstays like Pokemon and Monster Hunter, I'm not sure why it wouldn't simply be a matter of time before third parties show up in force. It might take longer than people would like, but it seems inevitable to me.
Calm Mind
Member
Together, he and Oregano keep these threads very entertaining on the weekend.
I agree, seeing how with Wii U announcements done way too early essentially backfired.
1st Course
Member
After the Wii U can you blame them?
Calm Mind
Member
After the Wii U what exactly? It's not like they or any Japanese publisher had any games in development or on shelves for the thing. Nintendo carried that burden their damn selves.
PdotMichael
Banned
It's funny hearing that after they showed a teaser of Shin Megami Tensei and then said that the game just started developement.
Or using Skyrim as their big third party showcase title last fall but it will not hit the Switch until the second half of this year.
So even if we are accepting the TGS will showcase a dense third party lineup it would indeed justify complaints about the lineup.
Or using Skyrim as their big third party showcase title last fall but it will not hit the Switch until the second half of this year.
So even if we are accepting the TGS will showcase a dense third party lineup it would indeed justify complaints about the lineup.
Calm Mind
Member
Yes. I still believe it is too early for doom and gloom. There are too many unknowns at this point.
You shouldn't be so pessimistic when you just wake up.
Why not take some time? System isn't even a month old. Given Nintendo past record it was obvious third parties wouldn't go out all guns out at release. Now hardware seems to sell good, it could interest some and push those who were on the fence.
That makes sense for western developers but Japanese developers being skeptical of the success of a new Nintendo portable? Sounds ludicrous.
They don't give a fuck about handhelds otherwise you wouldn't have publishers cannibalising Vita in favour of PS4 for the last three years.
No, 3DS is a brutal comparison. It had major exclusives announced before launch like Resident Evil Revelations and Kingdom Hearts 3D. The closer comparisons would be Vita and Wii U and well....
Currently the complaints about Switch itself being hard to get are more justified.
PdotMichael
Banned
That doesn't fix/justify/explain the lack of third party announcements.
test_account
XP-39C²
The only people i've seen claiming that Nintendo is/have been doomed for such a long time are Nintendo fans themself. Them saying it sarcastically of course.
But speaking about waiting for, this year is the 10th anniversary for "wait for Virtual Fighter 5"
And that was such a resounding success that they'll keep ignoring the handheld market after Vita.
Who cares about third party announcements right now? The still small audience of Switch owners? It's still small. The people who don't have a Switch yet? Probably couldn't get one even if they wanted. The third parties themselves? Are likely waiting for Switch reaching a higher installation base and by all indications mostly only started looking at Switch in the last couple months so still have plenty months to go until they have something to show to the public.
PdotMichael
Banned
Why shouldn't third parties announce their games when the Switch is the new hotness in Japan?
I don't get it.
And if they don't have anything to show right now it would only mean that the games aren't ready for a long time past the magical incoming TGS and the holiday season.
1st Course
Member
The Wii U was a complete commercial failure. It make sense that publishers would be cautious about developing for its successor. .