shit was BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING. Finn jones was AWFUL in this ep. Dude was snoozing through his lines like he was ready for his check.
For me, it should have been shot like an actual martial arts movie. Cool, crazy shit, constant fast blocks, parries, good fight movement, all of that stuff. Show Danny just DESTORYING regular dudes, and make it look cool, Here there were about 3 decent fight scenes in the entire show, maybe 4 if you stretch it. I never felt that Danny was a martial arts expert let alone master. Part of it has to do with the excessive use of cutting in the fights. It's like one cut tothrow the punch, one cut to land the punch, and one cut to show the guy flying away. It never feels connected. Compare it to the hallway fight in Daredevil and it's night and day. For a show about a Kung-Fu superhero it's borderline unforgivable as far as the action is concerned.
Yeah but see here's the thing, Danny isn't even accepting of being the iron fist half the time in the show, yes he is the iron fist but it seems like a burden to him. I don't even see him as being at his max potential, so to have the fights looking like that (imo of course) would be unrealistic. Danny is the worst iron fist in the history of iron fist, he is not even deserving of that choreography. To me it's no different than the dare devil and Elektra vs the hand fights. He was never going to be that good.
When does it seem like a burden? He seemed pretty eager to show off his knowledge to Colleen. Heck, one of the first things he does is try and get a job teaching what he knows. He felt like the opposite of a reluctant hero to me. You're reaching if you think that's the explanation for the piss poor fight choreography. They didn't intentionally set out to make them bad. It was rushed. Nobody was like "Let's have lots of cuts in these fight scenes to show Danny's mind flashing between the worlds he knows..."
He was never gonna be that good? In a martial arts show...There were never going to be good fight scenes? Come on.
shit was BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING. Finn jones was AWFUL in this ep. Dude was snoozing through his lines like he was ready for his check.
I don't see this. The mental hospital thing was so damn interesting. Maybe cause I can relate a little bit to many things in this show. The anxiety diagnostic , the thing of being locked in for some time , the whole Buddhism thing. It just sits very well with me.
Yeah but see here's the thing, Danny isn't even accepting of being the iron fist half the time in the show, yes he is the iron fist but it seems like a burden to him. I don't even see him as being at his max potential, so to have the fights looking like that (imo of course) would be unrealistic. Danny is the worst iron fist in the history of iron fist, he is not even deserving of that choreography. To me it's no different than the dare devil and Elektra vs the hand fights. He was never going to be that good.
He keeps busting out the "I'm the Iron Fist, I trained for this my whole life" thing. He absolutely embraces it. It's just that the characterization is so inconsistent and miserable that it's hard to tell what's actually going on.
Yeah but see here's the thing, Danny isn't even accepting of being the iron fist half the time in the show, yes he is the iron fist but it seems like a burden to him. I don't even see him as being at his max potential, so to have the fights looking like that (imo of course) would be unrealistic. Danny is the worst iron fist in the history of iron fist, he is not even deserving of that choreography. To me it's no different than the dare devil and Elektra vs the hand fights. He was never going to be that good.
These series have tried to be somewhat grounded in reality. Bullet time/wire fu has been so over used since The Matrix, and it's already everywhere in Into the Badlands. I love those kinds of movies and shows, but we don't need more of it from an American production. Daredevil was so good because it seemed like something plausible (aside from his sonar of course) and the fights were somewhat realistic.
What you're talking about would make it just like everything else that's been done to death from the early 2000s until now. It would have certainly made the show more interesting to watch, but it wouldn't have fit the tone of the previous three shows, and it also wouldn't make any sense to have his choreography radically different from the rest and try to film it that way in The Defenders.
I don't even mind that, I just hate that they felt like they had to drag it out that long and that was the big get? They never bothered to do a "tell me something only Danny Rand would know?"
Eh, I've seen it done better before in other places. Much like a lot of the rest of the show, they try to have it both ways; the sincerely helpful but mistaken/hoodwinked doctor who is somehow presiding over a ward filled with One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest patients trapped there against their will.
These series have tried to be somewhat grounded in reality. Bullet time/wire fu has been so over used since The Matrix, and it's already everywhere in Into the Badlands. I love those kinds of movies and shows, but we don't need more of it from an American production. Daredevil was so good because it seemed like something plausible (aside from his sonar of course) and the fights were somewhat realistic.
What you're talking about would make it just like everything else that's been done to death from the early 2000s until now. It would have certainly made the show more interesting to watch, but it wouldn't have fit the tone of the previous three shows, and it also wouldn't make any sense to have his choreography radically different from the rest and try to film it that way in The Defenders.
Yeah, but, like you said, we already have Daredevil to do the "grounded realistic no wire-fu" fights. LC has a totally different style from that too. Letting Iron Fist go nuts on the kung fu slow mo people flying through the air stuff would've made a lot more sense, if only to differentiate Danny's abilities from Matt's.
I don't see this. The mental hospital thing was so damn interesting. Maybe cause I can relate a little bit to many things in this show. The anxiety diagnostic , the thing of being locked in for some time , the whole Buddhism thing. It just sits very well with me.
Since the spoiler thread is dead as a doornail posting my overall impressions here as well. I'm spoiler tagging the relevant parts, none of the spoilers are huge, mainly character names and fight concepts.
The show is pretty much the epitome of medicore.
It also shows the flaws of how they've decided to do these Netflix shows in pretty start relief as a result. Once again the story that was being told was simply not enough for 13 episodes. Even saying that though, this was probably the worst offender in that I don't think this shit show even had enough plot for six. The people in charge of these shows need to know it's OK to not spend the ENTIRE first season on an origin. They also need to understand that it's ok to have relatively stand alone episodes as well. This show needed that, badly.
I also don't understand how you have have a show about a character whose ENTIRE premise is being one of the best martial artists in the world, and get outdone by not only Daredevil, but by shows like Arrow. The fights, with about 3 exceptions were horrible. There are more cuts in the fight than even in a movie like Taken. Serously, watch a random fight and they are cutting around once a second, It was distracting and at no point did it seem like these people were deadly martial arts masters. Hell, the one who felt the most threatening was
GAO
, and she barely did a thing.
Colleen sucked as a fighter, Danny sucked as a fighter,
Davos
was ok.
Bokudo
was pretty lame by the end. The only decent fights were
Iron Fist vs Drunken Monkey, Katana vs Wing Chung sword, and Katana duel in the rain.
I suppose
the big brawl escaping the compound
was passable too.
They should have cut like 90 percent of the Meachum plot, because that was, by far the worst part of the series. Ward's actor was horrible in this. I liked him somewhat in Banshee, because his awkwardness served the character there, here it comes off as underacting while put up against his dad who can't stop chewing on the scenery. And not in a happy go lucky Jeremy Irons way, more in a dog fucking up your shoes kinda way.
These series have tried to be somewhat grounded in reality. Bullet time/wire fu has been so over used since The Matrix, and it's already everywhere in Into the Badlands. I love those kinds of movies and shows, but we don't need more of it from an American production. Daredevil was so good because it seemed like something plausible (aside from his sonar of course) and the fights were somewhat realistic.
What you're talking about would make it just like everything else that's been done to death from the early 2000s until now. It would have certainly made the show more interesting to watch, but it wouldn't have fit the tone of the previous three shows, and it also wouldn't make any sense to have his choreography radically different from the rest and try to film it that way in The Defenders.
I mean, it's superhero whose power is being the ultimate mystical kung fu master
This was the show to make the choreography radically different, considering other three shows feature a brawler, a tank who doesnt need to fight, and a regular guy whose relatively realistic skills are enhanced by his senses
How great would the contrast have been if Iron Fist was using Into The Badlands/Marco Polo-style kung fu skills against enemies who are still fighting realistically like they were in a gritty Daredevil show?
These series have tried to be somewhat grounded in reality. Bullet time/wire fu has been so over used since The Matrix, and it's already everywhere in Into the Badlands. I love those kinds of movies and shows, but we don't need more of it from an American production. Daredevil was so good because it seemed like something plausible (aside from his sonar of course) and the fights were somewhat realistic.
What you're talking about would make it just like everything else that's been done to death from the early 2000s until now. It would have certainly made the show more interesting to watch, but it wouldn't have fit the tone of the previous three shows, and it also wouldn't make any sense to have his choreography radically different from the rest and try to film it that way in The Defenders.
I don't think the Shaw's used much wire fu so having kung fu fights like that would be fine for IF. What's the point of an IF show if his fights suck and we already have Daredevil?
Yeah, but, like you said, we already have Daredevil to do the "grounded realistic no wire-fu" fights. LC has a totally different style from that too. Letting Iron Fist go nuts on the kung fu slow mo people flying through the air stuff would've made a lot more sense, if only to differentiate Danny's abilities from Matt's.
You differentiate it by the fact that their fighting styles are relatively different, and the fact that Iron Fist has glowing fists that can punch through steel, stop bullets, heal and knock someone twenty feet away. That's not even counting all of the other things he can do that hasn't been shown. Like I said, it wouldn't make any sense to have a bunch of slow motion shit while the rest are filmed in real time once they are all together on The Defenders.
I don't think the Shaw's used much wire fu so having kung fu fights like that would be fine for IF. What's the point of an IF show if his fights suck and we already have Daredevil?
You differentiate it by the fact that their fighting styles are relatively different, and the fact that Iron Fist has glowing fists that can punch through steel, stop bullets, heal and knock someone twenty feet away. That's not even counting all of the other things he can do that hasn't been shown. Like I said, it wouldn't make any sense to have a bunch of slow motion shit while the rest are filmed in real time once they are all together on The Defenders.
And another thing, since he can punch through walls and steel, etc., shouldn't he be like vaporizing dudes' faces? Not to keep beating a dead horse here, but I feel the fights should come across as far more brutal than they do.
Oh I finished the show yesterday and forgot to post my final thoughts , I won't get into spoilers as I have nothing to really say about the plot that most people haven't heard.
The one take away from this show that I got is that defenders is going to be lit as fuck. I found myself actually quite liking Danny by the end of the show. He's a fucking idiot throughout the whole show but it made sense with what's going on with him he's being pulled in all directions by this shitty plot and he seems just as bothered and frustrated by the end of it as I was.
We now have a look at all the defenders and I can totally buy the fact the Luke and Danny can be friends and i can totally picture this Danny not really trusting daredevil and Jessica Jones getting annoyed everytime Danny quotes some philosophy stuff.
I really think that we do have the potential for a great iron fist here he just needs to be surrounded by a better cast with a better plot and he needs to actually be iron fist.
These series have tried to be somewhat grounded in reality. Bullet time/wire fu has been so over used since The Matrix, and it's already everywhere in Into the Badlands. I love those kinds of movies and shows, but we don't need more of it from an American production. Daredevil was so good because it seemed like something plausible (aside from his sonar of course) and the fights were somewhat realistic.
What you're talking about would make it just like everything else that's been done to death from the early 2000s until now. It would have certainly made the show more interesting to watch, but it wouldn't have fit the tone of the previous three shows, and it also wouldn't make any sense to have his choreography radically different from the rest and try to film it that way in The Defenders.
You don't need wire fu though to have compelling martial arts scenes. Hell, look at any Tony Jaa film, most of it isn't crazy wire work, it's just good choreography and good camerawork mixed with good skill from the actors. It doesn't have to be the matrix, and hell you can turn it down from even recent martial arts films and still have a much better end result than what we have here.
And another thing, since he can punch through walls and steel, etc., shouldn't he be like vaporizing dudes' faces? Not to keep beat a dead horse here, but I feel the fights should come across as far more brutal than they do.
I'm on episode 8 and it feels really weird how I'm actually more invested in the Ward/Joy plotline. I'm actually like "ah not these guys again" when they change the scene from Ward's scene back to Danny's. It wasn't like that at the start but now I find myself less and less interested in Danny & Co's adventures and because of that I find Ward and Joy's adventures more interesting.
They set the fight tone with dare devil.
They introduced the hand and mysticism with daredevil.
All I expected from iron fist was more focus on the hand and that's exactly what I got.
The Hand - ressurecting ninjas, the black sky, a little old lady who can force push.....Etc etc
That's good enough for me.
You can't have wire acting in this and then go back to grounded with the defenders.
You don't need wire fu though to have compelling martial arts scenes. Hell, look at any Tony Jaa film, most of it isn't crazy wire work, it's just good choreography and good camerawork mixed with good skill from the actors. It doesn't have to be the matrix, and hell you can turn it down from even recent martial arts films and still have a much better end result than what we have here.
Haven't seen too many of his films aside from the Ong-Bak movies, and they do a lot of the silly double and triple takes that Van Damme films used. The Raid Redemption has already been name dropped a few times, and that's more like what should have been done, although maybe not quite as brutal since it would be stepping on the toes of Daredevil, and be too similar I think.
They set the fight tone with dare devil.
They introduced the hand and mysticism with daredevil.
All I expected from iron fist was more focus on the hand and that's exactly what I got.
The Hand - ressurecting ninjas, the black sky, a little old lady who can force push.....Etc etc
That's good enough for me.
You can't have wire acting in this and then go back to grounded with the defenders.
Either way, they're failing spectacularly at selling Danny as this mythical Iron Fist kung fu god raised by other Kung Fu gods. This seems like a regular dude who has taken Kung Fu classes for some years now and can occasionally harden his fists to punch through doors and walls.
I feel like watching this show but... is he really just a curly haired bearded slob the hole time? He never suits up? Or even tries to suit up a little?
If we look at Metacritic, this is their list of worst shows in 2016. The tenth-worst show is at 39.
For comparison, Real Rob - a Rob Schneider series from 2015 - sits at 36.
Now I'm using Metacritic here instead of Rottentomatoes, but I think it is safe to say nonetheless that the critical reception (when compared to other TV shows) has been pretty bad.
Of course it should be mentioned that sometimes not enough critics review shows (e.g. Hemlock Grove S3) or that they don't get many episodes, so the comparisons are always tough.
That said, none of you should ever let critical reception deter you from watching or enjoying a show. Except for Between.
I feel like watching this show but... is he really just a curly haired bearded slob the hole time? He never suits up? Or even tries to suit up a little?
I'm also beginning to hate the trope where characters snap when they're pummeling an enemy, going berserk and then it's a dramatic moment when someone comes to stop them.
You differentiate it by the fact that their fighting styles are relatively different, and the fact that Iron Fist has glowing fists that can punch through steel, stop bullets, heal and knock someone twenty feet away. That's not even counting all of the other things he can do that hasn't been shown. Like I said, it wouldn't make any sense to have a bunch of slow motion shit while the rest are filmed in real time once they are all together on The Defenders.
They set the fight tone with dare devil.
They introduced the hand and mysticism with daredevil.
All I expected from iron fist was more focus on the hand and that's exactly what I got.
The Hand - ressurecting ninjas, the black sky, a little old lady who can force push.....Etc etc
That's good enough for me.
You can't have wire acting in this and then go back to grounded with the defenders.
I'm also beginning to hate the trope where characters snap when they're pummeling an enemy, going berserk and then it's a dramatic moment when someone comes to stop them.
I feel like watching this show but... is he really just a curly haired bearded slob the hole time? He never suits up? Or even tries to suit up a little?
To be honest this entire new generation of intros are beginning to get old already, house of cards, West world, daredvil, iron fist... They just seem so bland and samey.
How does it make sense for Joy to turn on Danny at the end?, the last I saw her she was at Rand questioning her father about the legitimacy of the charges against Danny...Did I miss something?
shit was BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING. Finn jones was AWFUL in this ep. Dude was snoozing through his lines like he was ready for his check.
How does it make sense for Joy to turn on Danny at the end?, the last I saw her she was at Rand questioning her father about the legitimacy of the charges against Danny...Did I miss something?
How does it make sense for Joy to turn on Danny at the end?, the last I saw her she was at Rand questioning her father about the legitimacy of the charges against Danny...Did I miss something?
Also, for those saying that wire-fu wouldn't work when set against the other shows? Maybe you're right, but it doesn't matter because you don't NEED wires to do a great martial arts fight. Just have good choreography and camerawork. You can go more realistic than the average martial arts film if you want, but again, Daredevil wiped the floor with this show as far as fight scenes were concerned. And considering that Danny Rand's whole schitck is that he is trained by literal kung-fu gods. There is a problem here.
