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Marvel's Iron Fist |OT| Hi-yahh - March 17th on Netflix
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I don't mind the Casting tbh, just the way they are written is awful ,which falls to the writers.
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What are the problems that you're seeing? Maybe I just need to rewatch all 13 episodes.
But that's not how it works though... It's not like the reviewers were directly comparing this to BvS lol, or purposely wanting to give it a worse score than it.
They just happened to really dislike it, which in turn gets reflected in its score on RT and MC. As for which is better, it doesn't really matter imo, one's a movie, while the other is a television show. BvS does have the advantage of having the trainwreck end quicker though lol
The Artisan
Member
the rest of the cast was pretty great. the actor for ward wasn't great but it's not entirely his fault coz the script was iffy as well.
shadowstar
Member
If it didn't fit into the whole Defenders project and Colleen wasn't in it, I don't think I could've gotten through this.
It was plodding and painfully boring at times. The dialogue was really awkward. I've read it defended by saying he's been in a monastery since he was a kid, but the none of the other monks we hear speak do so like children as he does. Additionally, he's been around other adults. He's not naive to the way adults speak. It made the decision by Finn Jones (or the director) of playing Danny like a 12 year old and not just a fish out of water really odd. Am I supposed to believe he was raised to be a warrior yet not mature into an adult?
The plot, almost at all times, requires every person involved to make poor decisions. All of the characters are idiots. The characters must all have a homing beacon because any time the plot requires them to find each other they just do. Multiple times I asked myself how Danny knew they would be at that restaurant or wherever.
The action was awful. Almost everyone seems to agree. It makes no sense why he struggles at times. Really bad editing and shot poorly. Fights are a mess to watch.
The ending was ridiculous.
I think this would've worked better as a shorter series or a movie. There just wasn't enough there. This was not only worse than the other shows, it belongs on the CW right after Arrow.
It was plodding and painfully boring at times. The dialogue was really awkward. I've read it defended by saying he's been in a monastery since he was a kid, but the none of the other monks we hear speak do so like children as he does. Additionally, he's been around other adults. He's not naive to the way adults speak. It made the decision by Finn Jones (or the director) of playing Danny like a 12 year old and not just a fish out of water really odd. Am I supposed to believe he was raised to be a warrior yet not mature into an adult?
The plot, almost at all times, requires every person involved to make poor decisions. All of the characters are idiots. The characters must all have a homing beacon because any time the plot requires them to find each other they just do. Multiple times I asked myself how Danny knew they would be at that restaurant or wherever.
The action was awful. Almost everyone seems to agree. It makes no sense why he struggles at times. Really bad editing and shot poorly. Fights are a mess to watch.
The ending was ridiculous.
Why does he get his ass kicked so easily by Harold? Even if his hand was shot, he's still the god damn Iron Fist and is fighting an old man with a pipe. When he got knocked down and is having a vision, then wakes up, why was Harold walking away? Why does Joy so quickly agree Danny has to die after he saved her? Why did Harold even keep the tablet? How did Ward know the code?
I think this would've worked better as a shorter series or a movie. There just wasn't enough there. This was not only worse than the other shows, it belongs on the CW right after Arrow.
Like I still can't believe that's who they picked to be the main villain. Worse one yet by far. Even worse
was how Danny only found out on the very last episode that Harold killed his parents. Like even without that, how can you be so dumb as to keep thinking this guy is a good person? What's worse is that the final fight is just more or less disconnected to all the Hand stuff that was going on throughout the second half.
The more I think about it, the more I realize how much I really disliked this show, it was completely skippable, and had far more issues than the other ones did.
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Reading this I was trying to understand the dissenting opinion. But now I understand that was a mistake.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
Yeah, Arrow at least has more highs.
Callibretto
Member
4 episodes in, I can't say I like Colleen at all. And her subplot feels like it has nothing to do with Danny at all.
I actually like Joy much more, at least all her scene add to Danny's story.
I actually like Joy much more, at least all her scene add to Danny's story.
The Artisan
Member
i didn't like her in the beginning either, they made her necessarily stubborn, too stubborn but towards the end she got likable
Stubborn in what way exactly
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Episode 6
Why would the Hand challenge Iron Fist to honorable mortal combat with stipulations? When searching for Elektra and DD, didn't they just send like 40 ninjas to kill them in their sleep? Why would Gao let him live after breaking the honor part of the duel? None of this makes sense.
BrightLightLava
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Episode 8 or 9, spoilers
What a bad storyline.
Jesus Christ, they brought the dad back to life?
What a bad storyline.
The Artisan
Member
to trust Danny.
Danny is supposed this master martial artists and be a weapon better than the hand they probably don't waste soldiers and probably trying to be him on their own terms. It's just due to how unconvincing Danny is as this master martial artist
This show is boring (ep 12 atm). It's doesn't drop as hard as LC did and it's not as stretched as JJ, but there's just almost no enjoyment here.
The dude who plays
did well with what he was given but that's still terrible casting. When I think of that character I think of a menacing hunk of a man. That guy would look silly
. In fact, they should've gone with the guy who played the drunk fighter instead.
I wanted an adaptation of the Immortal Iron Fist and what we got was S3 Arrow with a glowing yellow hand.
The dude who plays
Davos
topless with a violet mask on
I wanted an adaptation of the Immortal Iron Fist and what we got was S3 Arrow with a glowing yellow hand.
I liked that about her. Realistically, I'd stay the fuck away from Danny and his bullshit. Although this got all messy later on when it was revealed that she was a part of the Hand. (Sheesh, is every prominent Asian character in the Netflix shows a part of this organization lmao)
The Artisan
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I get that it's realistic she'd stay away from him and his bullshit, but her resistance was long and her coming around took longer than it should have imo.
also...those hatchet man aren't in the hand
but i think they were the only ones lolIt was a test to see if he actually is the Iron Fist. She wanted to make sure herself, which is why she changed the deal after he actually used his power. Why she let him live? Dunno, I'm only episode 7 now but I don't expect an answer other than there are at least 7 more episodes left in the show.
Yea I'm not quite ready to throw the cast under the bus here, the writing is absolutely abysmal.
I could have been on board with this if the fights were good but they are dreadful. The choreography is slow and sloppy, there are in insane amount of cuts in the fights (I counted 5 cuts on 1 fucking kick at one point) and they are almost all filmed in near pitch dark rooms.
If they do a season 2 they need to up the quality of the fights by a huge amount. They also need to never ever use Scott Buck again... Inhumans is fucked.
LordRaptor
Member
I mean...
you might as well say "How come daredevil can get his ass kicked so easily by a fat old man in lightweight armour?" at the end of DDS1.
Like, the show literally shows that Faramirs been under effectively house arrest for the last decade and apart from having hand super soldier serum flowing through him keeping him young has spent a shit ton of that time working out with punchbags - pretty much every time someone goes to visit him hes either in his hyperbaric chamber, watching his CCTV or training.
It's not like "oh that dude can fight now?" comes out of nowhere
Like, the show literally shows that Faramirs been under effectively house arrest for the last decade and apart from having hand super soldier serum flowing through him keeping him young has spent a shit ton of that time working out with punchbags - pretty much every time someone goes to visit him hes either in his hyperbaric chamber, watching his CCTV or training.
It's not like "oh that dude can fight now?" comes out of nowhere
shadow_shogun
Member
Damn...I really wanted to like this show. It started out great then started to fizzle out around episode 4. And holy crap at that
, that was by far the cringiest things I've ever seen put on film. Why Netflix/Marvel won't hire actors with martial arts background, I would never know.
drunken fist fight
Sanctuary
Member
Why is there a seeming echo chamber regarding how great Colleen supposedly is? She seemed perfectly average in just about every way possible, with rarely anything that really made her stand out. In fact, one thing that did make her stand out was not actually all that beneficial, and made her seem more ridiculous than anything as though she was just playing dress up. The best acting over the course of the show was from Trinity, who we rarely get to see.
It could be Wonder Woman thing where because the material around isn't very good, it makes them better where they would have been fine in a better show/movie
Because everyone was so much worse in the first half, I may as well point out the one decent character with potential, as I liked her personality. Her character did get worse as the show progressed though, no doubt about that. Like Danny, if given a better script, I'd watch a spinoff with her in it.
Sanctuary
Member
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Because most everyone else around her is awful, by comparison she's "great"...
Still, the way they used her sword as a fashion accessory was dumb as hell.
If you're almost never actually going to draw it, and simply use it like a staff...carry a fucking staff!
bishopcruz
Member
Colleen just didn't fuck up as bad as everyone else did. I mean,she was average, and that's a step up from most of the fighting mains. I mean, she in no way seemed like she could actually use or hold a sword, but she did end up with some of the best fights in the series, so there is that I guess.
Some of y'all really enjoy this shit heap better than JJ or Cage?
Sure. Okay. That's just genuinely confusing.
But giving props for pure mediocrity? Nope. Not gon be able to do it.
Sure. Okay. That's just genuinely confusing.
But giving props for pure mediocrity? Nope. Not gon be able to do it.
Well most of my props came from when I was still in the first half, then she got steadily worse. Now it's a lot more tempered as a result, but I still like the character overall. Whereas everyone else that's new to the MCU, including Danny, not so much.
LordRaptor
Member
I enjoyed it a lot more than Luke Cage part 2 or Daredevil Season 2 part 2
Would you believe me if I said that I paid those threads no attention and hated the show on its own merits?
Distresssss
Member
Cage is absolutely dreadful after they kill off Cottonmouth and was just okay before that. Iron Fist develops characters pretty well and even with it's faults I enjoyed the ride.
Pretty much my exact thoughts.
shadowstar
Member
He got trained by some normal human fighter. You don't even know if the hand magic makes him stronger. He never once shows any strength feats the way they purposely show Iron Fist do them like the car scene. Danny was trained by warrior monks in a magic hidden city to use his chi and fight a fucking dragon. This dude can fight his son or maybe some guards, but Danny should demolish him. You can't compare Fisk at all since he's shown throughout the series as being an exceptional combatant. You don't even have to bring in the comics, he does it in show repeatedly.
Colleen is cute is half the reason I defend her. The other reason is as the co-star, she outshines Finn Jones' acting in any scene they're in. It's not that she's great, he's just that bad.
I've just finished the 2nd episode and yeah the show has serious flaws but I'm finding it bizarrely entertaining. The cast is likeable. Ward's actor is laughably bad at times but thats making me enjoy his scenes. Some of the writing is head scratchingly bad at times though, Danny especially.Why does it to take him so long to tell them personal info that only he would know to prove his identity? Haven't seen much of Colleen yet so I'll reserve judgement. Still, I'm intrigued enough to keep watching.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
All the dialogue is stilted and awkward. And it's not just from Finn, it's across the board. You have extremely long scenes that just repeat themselves. A character will make their point, another character will comment, then the first character will repeat their point again, then the other character will comment, then they go around it again. It's like all the worst aspects of children's shows mixed with all the worst aspects of overly serious dramas. One example right off the bat in Episode 1:
Danny recognizes the security guards from Rand Corp and audibly says "You're the guys from blah blah blah." Now this is directly after having a scene where him and Ward threaten each other. Danny beats them up, runs off, and Colleen observes from the shadows. Then the scene repeats itself...except now we're at a parade. Danny beats them up and interrogates the the guy he already identified to ask who sent him. Information that everyone (Danny and the audience) should already have. All of this occurs while Colleen watches from the shadows (again). It's pure padding and repeated information for the benefit of nothing.
It just goes on and on without having any great insight. Nearly every episode is an hour, like a full hour with no commercials. And yet, I can't remember even one good speech or moment any character had. Over the course of nearly 13 hours, you'd figure they'd accidentally stumble into a nice moment. But nope.
This show is literally longer than most prestige dramas on HBO and yet that length isn't justified. Boardroom/meeting scenes can be thrilling, watch Better Call Saul. You can have good fights on this budget, watch Daredevil. You can explore the mystical in a grounded show, watch The Magicians. Iron Fist fumbles everything it tries to do.
The Artisan
Member
what was the game of thrones reference? was it that line when ward says
and joy responds by saying
?
he's living in another world, talkin bout a dragon
and joy responds by saying
he's living in ours now
?
The Artisan
Member
just finished. that show wasn't that good. the acting for the most part was good, sometimes it was weird though.
but the script and dialogue were just off.
but the script and dialogue were just off.
bishopcruz
Member
I honestly think this show needed a scene in K'un L'un where this happens:
King Gilga
Member
BvS for all its faults at least gave me some fun dumb action.
Iron Fist hasn't given me anything so far.
Sanctuary
Member
No? Danny literally tells them about the
"dragon" that judged him worthy of the Iron Fist. It was a reference of how he's been living in K'un-Lun, which is so far removed from the modern world they are currently in, and that he needs to wake up.
That's not how those RT percentages work.
BvS has an average score on RT of 4.9/10 while the first 6 eps of Iron Fist have an average score there of 4.34/10, so critics think the two are virtually as good/bad as each other.
LordRaptor
Member
The show literally shows him carving up bodies with a goddamn hammer, splitting a punchbag, whacking a triad with a sword through the head and outright calls out that he hasn't aged / has barely aged since danny last saw him. "Hes just some old dude" is not a thing ever shown in this tv series, comics have nothing to do with it.
And yeah, you can compare him directly to fisk, because fisk holds his own against a trained ninja with actual super powers because hes a big guy who works out who is fucking angry enough to ignore pain - like Faramir is a big guy who works out and has lost a chunk of his soul via evil magic resurrection and who has no fear of death or injury - these are all things presented on screen in their respective series, if you like fisk as a bad guy more than faramir thats one thing, but its another to pretend that shits happening out of the blue with no setup or internal logic
And yeah, you can compare him directly to fisk, because fisk holds his own against a trained ninja with actual super powers because hes a big guy who works out who is fucking angry enough to ignore pain - like Faramir is a big guy who works out and has lost a chunk of his soul via evil magic resurrection and who has no fear of death or injury - these are all things presented on screen in their respective series, if you like fisk as a bad guy more than faramir thats one thing, but its another to pretend that shits happening out of the blue with no setup or internal logic
shadowstar
Member
Ignoring that movies and tv shows are not the same and shouldn't be compared, BvS also had great cinematography and special effects. The acting was at least decent and sometimes good. The plot and writing were bad, but as a piece of visual media, it still succeeds at some things.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
The episode 7
board meeting is the most truth anyone spit at Danny the entire series. And somehow I think the writers believe that Danny came out looking like the good guy there instead of a petulant child.
The 13th floor stuff is actually kind of cool. Gao using a legit front explains why she's been so insulated from DD and Punisher's personal wars.
The 13th floor stuff is actually kind of cool. Gao using a legit front explains why she's been so insulated from DD and Punisher's personal wars.
theDeeDubs
Member
Definitely my favorite Marvel show so far surprisingly. I heard bad things going in, but I found I really enjoyed the casting. While it isn't amazing TV, it stayed consistently enjoyable throughout. I really liked Daredevil, but found some of the supporting characters cringe worthy. Luke Cage had some great moments but was disappointing overall. I didn't like Jessica Jones, but I was thinking about giving it another try.
Luke Cage all the way through is great though, DD fell off a damn cliff into Flash Post season 1 quality, which is just aight.
This started at the bottom...never got anywhere
This took an L last night, it ain't bounce back
Admiral Woofington
Member
the fighting choreography looks like ass at times. Especially the slow parts.
Also another fucking
? Seriously, this is getting into parody levels.
Next the fucking nurse will appear in this show.
Also another fucking
hallway fight scene
Next the fucking nurse will appear in this show.
shadowstar
Member
Whacking a dead body with a hammer repeatedly! He didn't take one swing and demolish the head. Carving up bodies... c'mon man. You're exaggerating to try to make a point. Whacking a triad with a sword? Are you shitting me? This compares to fighting a dragon??? Some triad guy is just a gangster. He's the fodder that even Claire can wreck.
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