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Marvel's Iron Fist |OT| Hi-yahh - March 17th on Netflix
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Black Republican
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only just up to ep 4, not bad so far honestly, didnt watch any trailers etc.
oh and im liking the music choices so far, Outkast, RTJ and Vince Staples?
very nice
oh and im liking the music choices so far, Outkast, RTJ and Vince Staples?
very nice
BodiesWithoutOrgans
Member
Watching ep1 the lead actor who's plays Danny's I'm not feeling it maybe a few eps in I might, hopefully
Not gonna go by reviews as I watch everything DC & Marvel so we'll see how it goes
Yeah another superhero orphan lol
Not gonna go by reviews as I watch everything DC & Marvel so we'll see how it goes
Yeah another superhero orphan lol
gutter_trash
Banned
TheGreenArrow
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Nowhere near as bad as the reviews made it seem. Thought it was great
gutter_trash
Banned
I was wondering the same thing, seems like a completely different character on the next episode where he is clueless about NYC everyday life
Can't remember if he killed the guy i thought he just tied him up. It seems to be the show just being misleading to play him up as a threat
That was explained iirc. Harold stopped aging thanks to the meds he took.
I'm a few eps in and this show is good, not sure why the pre-release reception was so bad. Was it purely some sort of racism/white-wash thing? Maybe a protest of the show? I don't really understand that since the main character was white in the comic, but alright. So many of the initial posts here are "I heard this is bad, so let me get in here quick and make fun of it and not watch the show"
rackham
Banned
I don't understand posts like these. You haven't finished the show.
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
The fights in Iron Fist should've been at least on AOS level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxVLj_3gvtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxVLj_3gvtU
Vermillion
Banned
I have 3 episodes left, and I have to agree it's pretty good.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Critics don't get together and just decide to protest something. They get the episodes, the first six in this case, and watch them independently. The show is just sloppily written, directed, and edited. Especially if you've seen better crafted TV like The Americans, Fargo, Black Sails, or heck even Daredevil if you want to stay in the same genre. If you like it, you like it. But this is the last show I'd ever mention in the same breath as "good TV." There isn't a conspiracy.
rackham
Banned
Congrats?
Doesn't change the criticism of the show about
-the lackluster fights in a martial arts show
-danny being a naive asshole
-danny and colleen's relationship being a facade. white hero learns martial arts and takes the asian babe.
-the villains being shit. it's basically a family drama
-every asian character is a mafioso/triad
I could go on and on.
You DNR understand how people can enjoy something? Its not a bad show no matter how much people want it to be. Like most tv threads on GAF people nitpick at the mist inane things that most people wouldn't even notice and act like it completely ruins the show.
gutter_trash
Banned
You can enjoy badly acclaimed shows and movies, that's fine.
I love Punisher War Zone and the Jessica Alba FF movies.
What matters is your enjoyment
I love Punisher War Zone and the Jessica Alba FF movies.
What matters is your enjoyment
Yes, there's a difference between the Game of Thrones / Fargo / etc, range of shows and the Luke Cage / Iron Fist type shows. The latter fall into an overall popcorn genre where flaws are allowed to pass.
Besides that, I'm pulling something from a random review on metacritic, from the variety review here http://variety.com/2017/tv/reviews/marvels-iron-fist-netflix-review-finn-jones-1202004027/,
This is seriously the first review I clicked on, I didn't dig at all.
I finished binging it last night, and really had to force myself through the last couple episodes. Stupid unlikable inconsistent characters throughout, terrible choreography with jumpy editing that will make you sick. From the first few episodes I at least expected Danny to be an enjoyable character to watch as he reacquainted himself to NYC life and found his purpose. Somehow he forgets most of his training, stops quoting Buddha, and becomes an annoying emo kid by the end who scowls all the time.
Finale spoilers:
Finale spoilers:
So Davos was correct, and Danny has failed as the Iron Fist right? Without knowing why he left beyond I FEEL EMPTY he feels like a selfish child who abandoned his adoptive family. Danny went to NYC, got a bunch of cash and an Aston Martin, and mildly annoyed the hand by making a mess of a single training facility. Oh, and those trainees almost kicked his ass. I just don't understand what he has learned or how he has improved as a character. Hell, for that matter I'm not sure why he's such a good guy in the first place.
He didn't "take the asian babe". She was the love interest for the show and yes she happens to be asian. Sounds as though you have some weird hang up on interracial couples which is on you not the show. And the white hero learns martial arts thing. It's a fucking Iron Fist show. What exactly were you expecting? Danny learning how to bake cookies?
BlazinSkatinAxel
Member
Yeah this totally takes me out of any scene the two of them are in. Its kinda funny whenever his da is talking down to him.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
What are you trying to prove? That there's​ a cabal of critics that enjoyed and have great praise for Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage...but then suddenly decided Iron Fist was the limit? It's not some political thing. Doctor Strange had the similar criticisms and it reviewed well. This is just a mediocre show that is coming off the heels of more focused efforts. It's not magic or supernatural. You basically have to stack the first 6 episodes of all the shows against each other if you want to look at reviews, and that comparison is going to put Iron Fist on the bottom of the pile for a lot of folks.
Look through this thread and count up all the people that independently have said that Colleen was one of the highlights of the show. Her arc is more interesting than Danny's. Which is an issue when the show spends so much time focused on Danny. So it's not surprising that people would want to shift the focus to a more interesting character.
Did anyone else feel like Claire's constant involvement felt weird? I honestly think it's one of the biggest contrivances in the show. Hear me out.
It didn't feel true to her character at all. In all of the other shows (from what I remember), she helped the other heroes out with a fair deal of reluctance. Her and Matt even end their fling because she doesn't want to get involved in the trouble surrounding him.
To me, it made no sense for her to come along for so much of the season when she hardly even knew Danny. It would have made more sense for her to be like "nope, I'm out" when The Hand comes into it, or call up Daredevil to come help out. The idea that she would immediately join this two person crusade to take down a deadly criminal empire of ninjas is fucking so ridiculous. She can handle herself, but she's a fucking nurse. She was able to just take a week off to go to China with zero notice? In Daredevil, that hospital was frantic. Claire is doing crazy overtime. Oh, but now she can just take off on a whim to go to god damn Asia to fight ninjas? Please.
To me, it made no sense for her to come along for so much of the season when she hardly even knew Danny. It would have made more sense for her to be like "nope, I'm out" when The Hand comes into it, or call up Daredevil to come help out. The idea that she would immediately join this two person crusade to take down a deadly criminal empire of ninjas is fucking so ridiculous. She can handle herself, but she's a fucking nurse. She was able to just take a week off to go to China with zero notice? In Daredevil, that hospital was frantic. Claire is doing crazy overtime. Oh, but now she can just take off on a whim to go to god damn Asia to fight ninjas? Please.
SporeCrawler
Member
i understand kunlun has vanished not destroyed... its only appearing every 15 years and danny and davos are stranded in the real world now. so no danny didnt necessarily failed as the iron fist. we dont really know.
also he did more than just midly annoy the hand. he did defeat gao and bokuto, so two leaders of different hand factions.
he certainly didnt kill them though so he was inconsequential there.
also he did more than just midly annoy the hand. he did defeat gao and bokuto, so two leaders of different hand factions.
he certainly didnt kill them though so he was inconsequential there.
neurosisxeno
Member
His dad had been dead for 13 years and stopped aging when he came back. This was all clearly explained and referenced several times. Danny comments on how he "looks the same", as does almost every character when they find out he is still alive. Ward was also 5-8 years older than Danny, so he's supposed to be about 30-33. When their father died he was what 43 or so I think it said.
I'm not saying anything about a conspiracy or critics "getting together". I'm saying there has been recent backlashes that have impacted acting choices -- Dr Strange is definitely a good example of a recent backlash that has brought this to mainstream attention (not that it is a new topic). My point is, this show seems to have taken a lot of heat pre-release for having a white guy that knows kung fu, and that lead to negative expectations for critics going into their reviewing process.
I'm just saying, I am enjoying the show as much as I enjoyed Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, and I'm not really getting where the 30% metacritic is coming from. I have watched the same number of episodes as the pre-release critics watched. It's at least a 60-70% show at this point. Did the critics have some sort of futuresight to determine the remaining episodes would go downhill or something?
The thing that kills me about this show is the cast is pretty solid overall, but the writing is so abysmal and Scott Buck's lack of vision/direction hampers everything. Finn Jones might not have been the ideal choice but he's been okay as Danny. I think there's potential there and I'm hoping he'll be better in Defenders as part of the group instead of just on his own. With the right writers/showrunner behind this show + the same cast I think this show would've turned out much better.
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
man, that would be quite amazing!
LordRaptor
Member
Reading this topic I honestly wonder if people just zoned out anytime there wasn't any fighting (which is a huge chunk of the show) based on the number of criticisms about things that are straight up spoonfed to the viewer as pretty clumsy exposition.
I mean, yeah, I enjoyed it, but the number of times they chekovs gun things to the viewer I assumed was because its a comics books show so they felt they need to patronise the audience a bit, but then I came here and I'm like... really? they didn't go far enough with that?
I thought it was the "pass" to Kun Lun that opened and closed, hence why the dead hand bodies were there. His flashbacks showed him defending the same spot he and Coleen were viewing the vanished city from. Either way, it was very unclear what was going on there. Also Gao is still locked in a room in an abandoned hand facility, I believe their last words to her were "I hope your goons find you." She was basically set free. Bokuto's body vanished and is sure to pop back up in season 2. It just felt as though Danny's actions had little to no impact on the world around him, aside from getting rid of Harold. I suppose he cleansed Rand of the Hand's influence? It just didn't feel well explained, or satisfying at all for a finale. I guess him and the karate hottie get to live in the mountains forever now?
rackham
Banned
I have no problem when they're (along with any type of relationship) done well. here, there's nothing substantial to their relationship. Danny is a train wreck of a character.
And don't forget when Skye went all John Wick a few seasons back. Although if we're being honest aside from a hand full of scenes most of the fights on Agents of Shield aren't very good.
I can agree with you more when you put it like this. Their relationship could have been done better as with many things in the show.
LordRaptor
Member
They're both train wrecks of characters; they've both isloated themselves from the world, Colleen by choice and Danny by circumstance, they're both not dealing with huge unresolved anger issues, and they're both conflicted by concepts of honour and tradition and adherence to centuries old codes of conduct that don't gel with the modern world, as well as both
spending their formative years being shaped as weapons by what can reasonably be defined as a cult
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Like - again, the show straight up hangs a lampshade on it - when Claire says how similar they are to each other, and that its not a good thing.
Claire no longer works at the hospital. She was 'let go' because she refused to help cover up the ninjas attack. So yes she can just take off on a whim. She's tagging along instead of running away from The Hand because she learnt from her previous experiences that they keep coming for you even if you're only tangentially tangled in their affairs. That's why she's at Colleen's dojo in the first place; training so she can defend herself.
That said, in almost all the situations in The Iron Fist, Claire keeps urging caution before taking on The Hand. It's Danny who keeps shouting fuck that I'm the Iron Fist then charging into the crusade. Colleen follows her boyfriend forcing Claire to tag along
That said, in almost all the situations in The Iron Fist, Claire keeps urging caution before taking on The Hand. It's Danny who keeps shouting fuck that I'm the Iron Fist then charging into the crusade. Colleen follows her boyfriend forcing Claire to tag along
fuck that framing. American culture has weird hang up with interracial couples not the people resisting that narrative. It's usually white guy with asian babe. Saying you have a problem with that pattern doesn't mean you have a problem with interracial couples in general. Even besides that choice of white guy and asian babe, this relationship was pretty fucked up
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
I'm a bit out of sync with most people on this one it seems, I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as everyone makes out (just finished episode 7 I think). It's certainly not as good as the other 3 shows, but it's OK. They coulda truncated the first 3-4 episodes into 2 IMO. I would rank them as:
Daredevil S1
Jessica Jones
Daredevil S2
Luke Cage (1st half of S1)
Iron Fist
Luke Cage (2nd half of S1 - seriously that second villain was terrible)
Daredevil S1
Jessica Jones
Daredevil S2
Luke Cage (1st half of S1)
Iron Fist
Luke Cage (2nd half of S1 - seriously that second villain was terrible)
LordRaptor
Member
I'd mostly agree with this, except I thought the second half of DD S2 was worse than IF, and I thought JJ was overall slightly better than DD S1
To quote myself in another thread....
I watched the first three episodes of Iron Fist last night. I kinda liked it! Much more enjoyable than I was led to expect - and yes it's definitely not great and I can see how people not as invested in the character and genre might be bored. I definitely wish the fight scenes were up to par but without the crutch of a stunt man in a mask they do the best they can.
Important to note that Power Man and Iron Fist was a top 5 favourite comic of mine growing up, so I am in the fucking bag with Danny Rand going in.
I watched the first three episodes of Iron Fist last night. I kinda liked it! Much more enjoyable than I was led to expect - and yes it's definitely not great and I can see how people not as invested in the character and genre might be bored. I definitely wish the fight scenes were up to par but without the crutch of a stunt man in a mask they do the best they can.
Important to note that Power Man and Iron Fist was a top 5 favourite comic of mine growing up, so I am in the fucking bag with Danny Rand going in.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
I have to say it felt like DD S2 to me in that all the martial arts stuff was bringing down the rest of the show. The Meachum siblings being the best, and Danny lines when he says stuff only Mac from Always Sunny would say being the worst.
"I spent 15 years learning to control my emotion", 30 seconds later "it is my heart who is in charge not the mind"
Danny himself was the Diamondback of this show.
"I spent 15 years learning to control my emotion", 30 seconds later "it is my heart who is in charge not the mind"
Danny himself was the Diamondback of this show.
Teknopathetic
Member
I'm moderately confident that Melinda May would *body* Danny.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
I have a feeling Mack could beat the shit out of Danny.
Opus Angelorum
Member
As I watch each episode it's getting progressively worse. Danny has been terribly cast, and his characterisation even worse.
You know a bad show when lesser characters in the show are the only interesting part.
You know a bad show when lesser characters in the show are the only interesting part.
His power level seems to scale based on the importance of the character he fights so he's more like to get the shit kicked out of him by an extra. It also scales up based on stakes and since a Melinda May would probably be a demo fight, he would destroy her. If she was really trying to kill him, they might have a good match and she ultimately wins. Depends on if her importance cancels out the threat level.
goombatommy
Member
Just finished watching the final episode last night - I liked it a lot! In my opinion, I'd rank it like this:
DD S1
Jessica Jones
DD S2
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
DD S1
Jessica Jones
DD S2
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
I think in the end it leaves a less bitter taste than Luke Cage and DD season 2 second halves, because the quality of the show doesn't take a nosedive from up high, just that it keeps itself lower most of the time.
UnemployedVillain
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They literally explain it in the show...he stopped aging for over a decade
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