Unfortunately I think people have been saying that based on the game engine and how it runs on consoles, it will be lucky to get locked 30 on PS/X, let alone Switch, but I may be misremembering.
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Playtonic unveils Yooka-Laylee (Banjo Kazooie successor) [Kickstarter LIVE - Funded]
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Unfortunately I think people have been saying that based on the game engine and how it runs on consoles, it will be lucky to get locked 30 on PS/X, let alone Switch, but I may be misremembering.
stargateheaven
Member
The JonTron thing.. I mean, there are so many people with some fucked up views involved in alot of things. I think i won't be able to enjoy anything in this world if i boycotted every product involving a guy who's views i dont agree with.
already pre-ordered anyway. lol.
It will most definitely run at 30fps. It runs at 30fps on all consoles. Not sure about ps4 pro yet. Probably also 30fps.
already pre-ordered anyway. lol.
It will most definitely run at 30fps. It runs at 30fps on all consoles. Not sure about ps4 pro yet. Probably also 30fps.
To not support hundreds of other's hard work over one decision made years before this came to light seems pretty unreasonable but it's your money but I will never get this stance.
But it is good to see others share a similar stance to this rebuttal.
Jimmyfenix
Member
If you like the old rare style of over collecting items than this is the game for you but some of the levels they have shown off look straight up boring
Kain-Nosgoth
Member
might as well not buy ANY games at this point... there's always gonna be a racist or terrible person in the credits of game or movie (okay maybe not everytimes, but a lot of times) !
Sure the fact that you know jontron helps wanting to do something about it, but he's not getting paid and i don't think jontron will get more popular because of a voice from a minor NPC in an indy game...
Having a playtonic statment would be nice but it wouldn't solve or change anything!
You're perfectly in your own right to not want to buy the game because of that, but i think it might be an over-reaction! I just hope they'll sell well so that we can get more games like this
Sure the fact that you know jontron helps wanting to do something about it, but he's not getting paid and i don't think jontron will get more popular because of a voice from a minor NPC in an indy game...
Having a playtonic statment would be nice but it wouldn't solve or change anything!
You're perfectly in your own right to not want to buy the game because of that, but i think it might be an over-reaction! I just hope they'll sell well so that we can get more games like this
Oh for sure thats a 100% given, some shitty sites will probably go as far as saying the game supports the message JonTron has been sending by having him in the game.
And do you think this will not affect sales?
I was happy with the feel of the gameplay in the Toybox release, so that's not a problem. Hopefully the level design keeps up!
I think it would but not as much as everyone thinks. I stand by the fact that its a fucking shitty reason to not buy the game though.
daTRUballin
Member
So you're basically taking it all out on the developers by not buying their game because JonTron's voice will be in it. The situation with JonTron has absolutely nothing to do with the game or the developers whatsoever too. Not to mention you'll be missing out on a potentially great game because of it. That's just wrong.
Mighty No.9 is not a failure because of how good or not good the game was.
It was a failure because of shady Kickstarter shenanigans. Inafune asking for more money, starting other kickstarters for other games when this one hadn't been released yet. Biting off more than they could chew.
If this game is hypothetically a 6/10 it's still more of a success than Mighty No.9.
They got him because he's an internet persona and are using his recognisable voice. Now that he's shown himself to be an offensive idiot, they ought to remove him, especially considering how little effort it would take.
Keeping his voice in the game shows a lack of care and would taint the game. I wouldn't blame people for not buying it. I already kickstarted so I don't have that option.
It does have something to do with them. They have the choice to leave him in their game or remove him.
Keeping his voice in the game shows a lack of care and would taint the game. I wouldn't blame people for not buying it. I already kickstarted so I don't have that option.
It does have something to do with them. They have the choice to leave him in their game or remove him.
No, nowadays developers have to be aware of their surroundings activities and consequences.
I'm sure in EA or Bioware offices there was some meeting talking about fans criticism to the facial animations from one of its trailers. It was decided to solve it only with a tweet in which they promised that it was an isolated bug and that they were going to solve it. Nothing more. Fast forward to today and I don't think they would agree to the same actions after what happened in the last days.
Shit happens, but today Playtonic has enough time and tools to solve the incident. That they do not do is what, in my case, I will punish. We're not talking about a game with face movement capture, lip sync and dense dialogs. I mean, it's a fucking sound in loop. They will be sending a message if they do nothing.
They might not have that choice. They're two weeks from release (right?) and it might not be possible to just remove him like that.
Come out and explain the issue that prevents them from removing a voice line.
This is why we need a statement from them. There is not enough information to make a judgment yet, but again everyone agrees it would be a good thing to have that information.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
No, we don't all agree on that, I think it's ridiculous and I don't want their work on the game tarnished by people on a witch hunt. JonTron has shit political views, absolutely, but making a big fuss about his absolutely minor involvment in the gameis just doing harm to all the hard working developers who put two years of their professional life into a risky game, right before the important release happens. If they want to address this, it's fine by me, but I don't think it is a good thing to blow this up. Absolutely not.
Is it just one voice line? What's the process for replacing it? How much would it cost? Is it possible before release with everything else they need to do? Etc...
I don't know, I'm not a game dev. If you have that information please share it.
Right.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
The certification process on consoles may take several weeks, as does pressing discs. Even if they did not start printing discs yet, this would lead to a delay, additional cost and difficulties with marketing.
^ Day 1 patch.
I'd rather any of the developers did the voice line(s). If Jontron can do it, anyone could.
How much would it cost to turn on a pc and record a voice? They sent him a microphone to record the voice according to the twitter post.
I'd hope replacing a voice line wouldn't be complicated for them by now.
I'd rather any of the developers did the voice line(s). If Jontron can do it, anyone could.
How much would it cost to turn on a pc and record a voice? They sent him a microphone to record the voice according to the twitter post.
I'd hope replacing a voice line wouldn't be complicated for them by now.
To be fair I don't think anyone expects a reprint, just a patch.
Alright let's parse this. What exactly do you think is ridiculous?
So you believe it's the people concerned about JonTron who are tarnishing the game, and not JonTron. Furthermore, you believe that JonTron is the subject of a "witch hunt."
How does it benefit the developers if people don't know where Playtonic stands on JonTron and his views, and can only speculate? You are literally arguing for more confusion and less clarity.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Recertification for the patched version and additional testing (because any new version needs testing) would still apply, it is not a matter of an hour of work, it would be a significant cost for one of the most insignificant things that could possibly happen.
No, it's absolutely a good thing to pressure them to remove Jon if they can. This is how we stand up to hateful views like those Jon shared on the stream, we push back wherever we can and this is a great opportunity to show that a large part of the community won't tolerate bigotry.
Of course we should also be mindful of all the decent people who don't hold these views who have invested so much time in the game, but asking for a statement is a good thing. If they come out and distance themselves from Jon's views, it's yet more positive pressure pushing against bigoted thinking.
And it could be entirely possible for them to remove Jon's voice work at some point in the future, and putting pressure on them to do so is not a bad thing.
As long as we're mindful of the fact Jon is only a tiny part of this game then calling for these things in a reasonable way is a very good thing for the industry as a whole.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I think it is ridiculous to make such a fuss about the fact that someone who made some noises for a game has, after his work has been concluded and the game was (almost) finished said rightwing shit.
I think both do. I believe that Yooka-Laylee and its staff are subject of a witch hunt.
I'm arguing for not starting a big fuss over such a miniscule thing to start with, int urn not making a developer statement necessary and in turn making confusion impossible from the start. What harm is his voice's presence in the game causing? How does this in any way shape or form support, validate or promote racist ideas?
You're inviting him into your game, being well-known, he comes with baggage. It may have been good to have him associated with the game before, not anymore, and the game is releasing after the issue became known.
They've got a responsibility to do something (if anything) about it - it's up to them to do, no one else. And the very least they could do is put out a statement to explain if they can't cut him from the game (yet). If they cared.
From an obvious, logical perspective, it's blatant they do.
They'd be condoning what he said by having him remain associated with the game - by invitation - and saying nothing about why that's still the case as his views are public knowledge and his role is minimal and unessential to the game.
They'd be condoning what he said by having him remain associated with the game - by invitation - and saying nothing about why that's still the case as his views are public knowledge and his role is minimal and unessential to the game.
Do you deny people's right to be concerned?
I see. Then do you believe that both sides, Jon and those opposed to him, are equally culpable?
I think you're going to have to clarify how a request for information qualifies as a witch hunt. Remember your argument is that we should not know where they stand on the issue. Uniquely in this thread, you do not want a statement from them.
Allowing him to take part in (and remain part of) the production of a game like this, which is fairly high profile, would contribute to the normalization of his views which has had a toxic effect on gaming as a hobby and arguably on society as a whole.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
No, they are allowed to, but it is my right to think it is just shit behaviour to turn on anthing he has a minor involvment with but has no connection to his views at all.
I think that without "those that oppose Jon" [and specifically, that subgroup that is now starting a discussion about Yooka], Yooka would be completely uninvolved in any controversy. In that sense, "those that oppose Jon" are more culpable. Now it's a different question whether what Jon said is worse or what is starting to happen to Yooka now is worse and if my first impresion of what Jon has said is correct, then this is undoubtedly what Jon has said. I have no problem with complaining about what he has said and discussing future involvment in new things.
I think that the associated pressure on changing a finished product for a minor involvment of someone who has in the meantime said something objectionable is excessive and to the detriment of years of work of a dedicated team of talented developers, putting the focus, in crucial phase of time on something so minor, instead of the product itself.
He is not a decision maker for Yooka-Laylee. Fighting ideas that you don't like is one thing, fighting unrealted (to those ideas) products someone having an idea you don't like might have a minor involvement with, is a totally different thing.
Alright then. This conversation is over.
It's difficult to understand because it's gibberish voice acting that has no real impact on the game. Jontron is a cunt but if people think that anyone outside of this thread will care he is in the game then I'm afraid they're wrong.
Either way, this is just people in this thread overreacting and it shouldn't be taken out on playtonic when it's not that big of a deal. Nearly every game ever made by a large studio would have at least one bigot fuckwit working on it in a large role and no one is boycotting ubisofts games that have 300 developers. This is a tiny role by a small company. It has no impact on the game.
How many of those 300 people are celebrities invited to the game for a minimal role that have made their shit views known publicly?
The fact that his role in the game is so minor gives even more reason to have him removed from the game and if not, an explanation as to why - unless you want to give the message that you still condone him by associating with your game for no other reason than him being him.
Unless yooka-laylee has you taking a dump on his character literally, it's an issue.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
So the problem is that I used too mild words? Objectionable and ideas one does not like have a huge spectrum, I did not want to say that having racist views is only "mildly objectionable" or something, but I also did not needlessly want to escalate the wording, because this is besides the point. My posting was not a valuation of what Jontron has said. To be clear: Racist viewpoints are highly objectionable and I am very much opposed to them. Even if they are just uttered by some mere Youtube video maker.
It's great if you take parts of sentences completely out of context. I have given you a detailled explanation of that and you choose to pick just three words that make it easiest for you to disqualify me, even if you, obviously willingly, change the meaning of what I said completely this way.
I am going to posit that you are incorrect that the discourse around their decision to release a game featuring a raging white supremacist will not end with this thread.
ForTheFallenDreams
Neo Member
The Toybox demo I've played has a fluctuating FPS between 20 and 30 on PS4 Pro (Boost mode turned off)
I've yet to try it with Boost mode, but looking at other Unity engine games it will probably be steady 30.
I've heard 2 people that got motion sickness from it or headaches.
I've yet to try it with Boost mode, but looking at other Unity engine games it will probably be steady 30.
I've heard 2 people that got motion sickness from it or headaches.
Did you read the rest of his statement? I think there is a bit of misunderstanding here of Yoshi's words. He feels that in terms of what is harming the game, those pursuing discussion of JonTron's involvement are doing more harm to the game by discussing this than JonTron harms the game with his VO role. Simply in the sense that Yoshi believes the impact of this bigoted person's minor VO should not impact reception of the game as a whole. He believes the hard work done by as far as we know not bigoted people overrides the badness done by a bigoted person's brief VO in the game. That seems like a reasonable viewpoint Yoshi is entitled to, there is an ongoing debate here and elsewhere about separating art from artist but usually the smaller the role of the artist in question, the more vocal the side saying to separate the two is. It's a long running argument in many forms, both sides have reasonable points.
The above was simply in response to which group Yoshi feels is affecting YL more. In terms of which group Yoshi feels is more harmful more generally, he specifically said JonTron is more harmful. It seems like a reasonable conclusion to me. He, like some others in the thread, falls on the side of believing it is not an important issue to pursue in regards to YL, but also feels JonTron's statements are more important and harmful than anything to do with harming YL sales to begin with. Hence, I don't think it was fair to dismiss him the way you did. He answered your questions in good faith and at the core he agrees with you about JonTron's actions, he simply has a different (and not unique to him alone in this thread) view of how it affects or does not affect YL.
One way for them to avoid having their decision to hire a white supremacist impact the perception of their game would be to remove him from the game and publicly say so.
Yes there would be costs ascociated with doing so, but this is not a good reason to keep him in. "We are going to keep this white supremacist in our game because otherwise we'll loose money" is a position that should be criticised.
Yes there would be costs ascociated with doing so, but this is not a good reason to keep him in. "We are going to keep this white supremacist in our game because otherwise we'll loose money" is a position that should be criticised.
stargateheaven
Member
i tried boost mode. Fps is still dodgy.
You gotta remember that toybox was not optimised at all, the game will be a steady fps i'm sure.
As for pro support, what the news there? we are super close to release and no info on what PRO will do!
CannonFodder52
Member
Just give me a white supremacist volume slider in the options menu. We can turn him down and the /pol people can still enjoy the game too.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
This is just unfounded. They did not decide to hire a white supremacist, they decided to "hire" (it sounds to me like a freebie, not a paid job, so it put it in quotation marks) a person to do voice over that happened to hold white supremacist ideas. There is a huge, huge difference between those two and it is just dishonest to claim the former instead of the latter. That is, unless you have any evidence supporting they claim they thought "let's take a white supremacist" instead of "let's take this guy".
JonTron is a douche so fuck him. But I really wish we can all go back to when we didn't care about any minor involvement a douche had on anything.
This is the more active I've seen this topic and imo that's sad. We talk about the douche that did a voice in the game than the game itself.
We have also discussed similar stuff in off topic threads. Mel Gibson for example has said douchey stuff in the past, should I expect to have a version of Signs with a different actor to enjoy the movie.
Honestly I don't demand or expect from Playtonic to do anything.
This is the more active I've seen this topic and imo that's sad. We talk about the douche that did a voice in the game than the game itself.
We have also discussed similar stuff in off topic threads. Mel Gibson for example has said douchey stuff in the past, should I expect to have a version of Signs with a different actor to enjoy the movie.
Honestly I don't demand or expect from Playtonic to do anything.
Motion sickness from Unity games or from YL? I wonder if it has been stabilized or optimized for the final release.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I think that can only be Yooka itself, Unity can be used for so many things, it would not be fair to claim it causes motion sickness. However, Unity does not necessarily lead to bad framerates, take a look at Ori, for instance, which is quite fluid.