Edge of Tomorrow is actually based on a Young Adult/Light novel, and wasn't made into a Manga until a decade later, just before the launch of the film. The Manga doesn't even have the same writer.
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Ghost in the Shell bombs at the box office
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Edge of Tomorrow is actually based on a Young Adult/Light novel, and wasn't made into a Manga until a decade later, just before the launch of the film. The Manga doesn't even have the same writer.
Christ, the only way this could have been buried deeper was if HHH was the one with the shovel.
TDLink
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This movie didn't bomb because of white washing or because it was an anime adaptation.
It bombed because it just wasn't that great. I mean it's not a terrible movie. It's ok. But there's nothing remarkable about it. And the action is bland and boring. And that came across in the trailers I think (which weren't very good). Then you have the negative reviews and word of mouth on top of that.
If the movie was better it would have done better, and that has nothing to do with white washing or what the source material is.
It bombed because it just wasn't that great. I mean it's not a terrible movie. It's ok. But there's nothing remarkable about it. And the action is bland and boring. And that came across in the trailers I think (which weren't very good). Then you have the negative reviews and word of mouth on top of that.
If the movie was better it would have done better, and that has nothing to do with white washing or what the source material is.
Icebergslim
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All of this is true but that said, GitS was probably the best franchise to make a Western movie out of. All the other IPs I can think of won't translate over as well. It's just uphill from here.
You don't need people to care about anime for them to care about your movie. Marketing helps a lot as does not making a shit film. Source material doesn't matter nearly as much as people want it to.
Comics are niche as fuck as well but look at how much their films dominate the box office.
White washing combined with other issues led to a bomb. I was excited for the movie. Then saw the white washing, so it became a pass. There's probably at least 2 more people that felt the same way.
But you can't declare white washing wasnt a contributing factor. It's just offensive at this point in history. That's all, just contributing. Not the definitive reason.
But you can't declare white washing wasnt a contributing factor. It's just offensive at this point in history. That's all, just contributing. Not the definitive reason.
highrider
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Yeah, it had an uphill battle from the start. I could have possibly overcome that by being a great product but even then it just doesn't have broad appeal because most people aren't familiar with it. I'm not an anime fan and my only knowledge of gits is the psp game. But it sounds like mediocre movie that also has white washing which is a hot button issue now.
I am okay with this.
I'm so happy this gif exists.
Wow AssCrud actually grossed $240M. If Ubisoft had been more judicious with its budget it would've been a real success.
All You Need is Kill
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TDLink
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That was 9 years ago though and GITS has the benefit of 3D tickets, so really GITS did worse. Also Speed Racer will always have the excuse of having to go up against Iron Man.
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Americanizing something is absolutely fine.
Doing a faithful translation is absolutely fine.
Trying to both will leave you with a mess.
Yep dont get hwy some people are saying this.
The controversy has been around for a long time with this movie.
Yes, but let's start with actually decently produced movies first. All the Ghost in the Shells, Warrior's Ways, and Ninja Assassins of the world aren't helping anybody.
Sure, except the best stories in anime/manga are pretty much the antithesis of what Hollywood usually makes. You'll never get a live action Mushishi from them and I know they'd butcher it anyway.
StarCreator
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In what world is a $28 million opening weekend a good number for a Tom Cruise lead?
Remember, we're in a thread where a $19 million is a bomb. Even adjusting for inflation, Edge of Tomorrow didn't do much better.
Spring-Loaded
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Desperate attempt to not feel like they're afforded undeserved advantages in life
Damn, I stand corrected.
Were there any major changes between the book and the manga?
Uhh the fact that the movie overcame a shit opening weekend to gross almost 400 million WW is a testament that these movies can work, so I have no idea what point you're trying to make here.
GiTS is not Edge of Tomorrow.
DeaconKnowledge
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I'm glad they cast Scarjo. Could you imagine the conclusion Hollywood would come to if it bombed with an Asian lead?
NealMcCauley
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I said it in the BO thread too, but seeing the trailers in front of every movie I saw since Suicide Squad made it clear there wasn't much to the movie that wasn't already shown.
More_Badass
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I mean, Marco Polo was a real guy who met the Khan (and worked in his court according to his own stories). Yes, fhe Khan's story was the best part of the show and the only reason I watched it, but describing Marco Polo as a random white dude with no reason to be there seems kind of silly IMO
I'm more keyed into social issues than a lot in my circle, and even they were turned off from seeing the film.
I think when you're trying to reach a wider audience with a series, if you don't take into account the core fans and make an authentic attempt with a production, then they're certainly going to give their opinion, and it was a negative one.
Imagine the reception to Ghost in The Shell, if the core fanbase was enthused? The film would have had better goodwill for it.
At the very least, this puts to bed the notion of star power. Star power can't lift a film that by reviewers account isn't great.
I think when you're trying to reach a wider audience with a series, if you don't take into account the core fans and make an authentic attempt with a production, then they're certainly going to give their opinion, and it was a negative one.
Imagine the reception to Ghost in The Shell, if the core fanbase was enthused? The film would have had better goodwill for it.
At the very least, this puts to bed the notion of star power. Star power can't lift a film that by reviewers account isn't great.
Manmademan
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Paramount took a 115 million writedown on it in September 2016.
It released in January 2017 in the US.
That movie bombed so hard the shock waves went back in time
So basically they should have made a completely different show
'Yeah, but I don't see race therefore this wasn't a problem anyone else cared about"
The Artisan
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so what's the issue with casting? i know i'm asking a really old question but like a quick rundown...i'm guessing the creators didn't mind or care that they got a white lead but the fans wanted an asian cast?
i'll take it to mean that the creators knew that the movie had a better chance at success with whitewash rather than an asian lead or that the lead was never meant to be white?
i'll take it to mean that the creators knew that the movie had a better chance at success with whitewash rather than an asian lead or that the lead was never meant to be white?
Angelus Errare
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Ah, I always thought the manga was called 'All You Need Is Kill'. I stand corrected.
BarringGaffner
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Love the anime but this just looked like a miserable film. And Scarlett J is never interesting enough to carry a film.
Bobby Roberts
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Nah. They could probably turn out a One Punch Man movie and have it do pretty well. A smartassed/satirical take on superhero bullshit? Deadpool booted that door open already.
I never finished the manga but it's pretty close to the book but both are very different from Edge of Tomorrow
BlueTsunami
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Scarlett "Butt in Seats" Johanson
This world? you should probably take a look at his opening weekends..
More_Badass
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That just proved the point even more
Obscurity of source material doesnt matter, if the movie is decent and well received and not sent out to die with a bad release date
Who had heard of Kingsman? All You Need Is Kill? Guardians of the Galaxy?
They should make a good movie.
Kite
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No, it isn't.
a Master Ninja
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They'll probably just think that they should have gone with a male lead.
I think if the creator says it's not whitewashing then it's not whitewashing.
Also, DB Goku isn't even from Earth so kinda confused there.
Avatar is set somewhere other than Earth as well... Japanese people made the source material so they have to be Asian?
DiCaprio in Akira would be whitewashing. I think Light Yagami being white in Death Note is whitewashing.
I mean someone correct me if I'm wrong and maybe I misunderstand what whitewashing is. I tend to be ignorant in current American social issues.
Also, DB Goku isn't even from Earth so kinda confused there.
Avatar is set somewhere other than Earth as well... Japanese people made the source material so they have to be Asian?
DiCaprio in Akira would be whitewashing. I think Light Yagami being white in Death Note is whitewashing.
I mean someone correct me if I'm wrong and maybe I misunderstand what whitewashing is. I tend to be ignorant in current American social issues.
Yep. Give it to someone like Edgar Wright and the oddness mixed with the notoriety would propel it all the way to the bank.
Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt doesn't hurt, either.
Though, that movie only made $29 million in its opening weekend, unless they re-released it under Live Die Repeat or whatever that fiasco was.
I don't care what anyone says, for someone like myself who never watched the original anime, the movie was solid. Pisses me off that people bitched about having a white actress and shitted on this movie for that alone before it even released. Replace Johansen with a unknown asian actress just to please people and even less people would of watched it. It's no wonder Hollywood doesn't want to make live action movies based on anime or games.
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