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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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lol from your couch? does someone actually believe that you can't see a difference? sure, just go as far as possible from the screen?
Funny how everyone thought that you could easily spot the difference between 900p and 1080p on a 32 inch tv. lol
Again, disagree."Largely" - I didn't mean everything and everyone was spot on
And I'm pretty sure we've had months debate here on GAF even covering whether or not Scorpio would be able to pull off native 4K at 60fps at all, and it moved to whether there'd be any room for further enhancements - there was someone here literally last night still lolling at the prospect
Having read the impressions througout the day today, I don't think it's unfair to say people have been impressed with the apparent performance in the Forza demonstration, and indeed DF are too - if it exactly met your personal expectations, nice one
"Largely" people expected Vega to be powering the Scorpio at a minimum, forget Zen and HBM. The general expectation was that Polaris would be too hot (it is) and Vega would solve that issue, sadly it didn't come to pass.
Regarding 4K games, I called Forza 5/6 to be possible at 4K last year. Pretty sure the no 4K talk was centering on current graphic intensive titles, if not then it was silly.
It met my expectations but my expectations were very low - everything is by the numbers and "just" barely there. The only surprise Microsoft can spring me is the pricing, let's see.
I didn't mean they would cut them a cheque, more like an exclusive to get them the hits etc. Nobody is losing it that DF is impressed. The Pro coverage didn't impress me, it's still running a Jaguar, like Scorpio. In effect, we got two nice mid-cycle bumps from Sony and Microsoft that are essentially crippled by a weak CPU.
Everyone's sight got worse after hours of smirking at their 32 inch tvs in order to read the text at 1080p
Bitch Pudding
Member
Matt and several others explained that frequently, yet I believe the main driver for the Zen hype train is the idea that MS was supposed to deliver Scorpio exclusive games (at some point) which are not held back buy PS4 / Xbox One hardware requirements.
well, there are a lot more 1080p 32inch TVs then 4K 32 inch tvs, if any. However, we will see when Scorpio arrives how they directly compare 🙂
brickarts295
Member
Man this Q4 is going to be very *interesting* when it comes to multi platforms games. PS4/One/Pro/Scorpio/PC/Switch
DF is going to have their work cut out.
DF is going to have their work cut out.
It would make 1080p 60fps a pretty easy target to reach in most title.
I don't think most people really can detect even significant fluctuations in FPS or resolution. But it's still really important to be able to market yourself as the "most powerful" console. People's perception shapes their reality. Once it's a generally accepted fact that your system is the most powerful, people will suddenly begin to "see" how much better games look on your console.
Evidently we have very different definitions of "right now."
BLAUcopter
Gold Member
Conspiracy!!!!!
CommandThrower
Member
This thing sounds super beastly. I'd gladly trade in my OG Xbox One for this thing, if such a thing was offered. If not, I'll still get this thing within the first month of release.
Playing my copy of Witcher 3 on Scorpio sounds...godlike.
Playing my copy of Witcher 3 on Scorpio sounds...godlike.
BouncyFrag
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The Baron Count
Member
Which was never what this system was for and MS have always been pretty clear about that, so I don't know why there was some sort of expectation on that front to begin with.
It's a system for playing Xbox One games at 4K. It doesn't need to move past Jaguar to do it.
Concise communication from companies are no match for whimsical expectations. Where else would disappointment come from?
Leyasu
Banned
It almost brought a tear to my eye reading that. The selflessness goes above and beyond, and should be recognized.
In all honesty though, why don't you and the not interested patrollers let them get on with it?
That post count.. Phew
Droopaloop
Banned
Man this thread has been a rollercoaster. I'll probably buy the thing because it's a substantial upgrade over the original Xbone. Pretty much a strictly 3rd party multiplayer box with the exception of Halo 5 every now and again. Seems like a worthy upgrade if its 399. It better be 399.
Excuse me?
Leyasu
Banned
My post wasn't clear enough?
Actually no, no at all. It seems like you are mad about something, and being rude, for absolutely no reason.
Also, what post count?
Leyasu
Banned
Not mad, your post about trying to warn people made me chuckle.
I never said warn, just trying to manage expectations to avoid disappointment.
What's wrong with that?
User123456
Member
My i7 + gtx 1070 PC can't do 4k60 at acceptable graphics (meaning anything above the low preset) on Gears of War 4. If the Scorpio can do that, then I'll most likely get it along with a 4k TV. I've wanted to fully make the move to native 4k in all games and even my expensive PC has issues doing it.
I guess we'll see once this thing is actually out, but considering it seems to hit 4k60 on Forza easier than my 1070 and with no specific optimization...
I guess we'll see once this thing is actually out, but considering it seems to hit 4k60 on Forza easier than my 1070 and with no specific optimization...
Microsoft was also very clear about allowing the devs to do whatever they want. If they want to do 1080p with All the Graphics and fps then Microsoft is perfectly fine.
Leyasu
Banned
Nothing, It's commendable! The way you and a few others have had everyones backs in the build up threads. Now I see that you are continuing the work in this thread.
OK.
Broman1978
Junior Member
I have been very satisfied with what my PS4 Pro has done for games. Watching Ratchet and Clank for instance it looks REALLY great on Pro! Scorpio will do an even better job making my Xbox games look even greater! I cant wait for Scorpio! Really excited!
Tomeru
Member
I meant that the scorpio's power should be noticable through 1st party titles, just like the ps4/p power is noticable through it's 1st party titles.
While I have zero faith in ms' 1st party at this point, I'd have to wait for e3 to see where I satnd.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
This is where console optimisation comes in I guess, because an i7 and a GTX 1070 on paper should be way more capable than Scorpio's Jaguar CPU and GPU but PC games (especially ports) don't always get that level of optimisation put into them because of all the different specs and configurations they have to work with.
longdi
Banned
Consoles optimise things by turning off several graphical effects in a more granular level.
Im sure your i7 + 1070 can do the same if not better 4k60 ports.
This whole Scorpio is a beast thing is getting out of hand
I wouldn't worry about it. Your machine should comfortably outperform the Scorpio.
Colbert
Banned
If you are a console gamer like me (even sitting on a 4K gaming laptop) then Scorpio is the place to be to play multi platform regardless if on a 1080p or 4K TV.
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On a general note:
Why is it that some just want to suck out the excitement some other have about the new Xbox console? We are talking about a hobby for most of us and a hobby usually should bring some recreation and fun into someone's life. Reading some of the spin going on here is instead depressing and sometimes embarrassing.
In a thread one-time you said it wasn't a half arsed upgrade, but I took that as they went all out with Zen + Vega.
See exhibit, my avatar.
Well, that's kinda what I said. If you for one reason or another are set on playing in a console (which I mostly do), Scorpio will be your best bet, but objectively speaking a PC will have the better looking and better preforming versions of games.
It's not a half assed upgrade.
And I had also said "not Zen" and "a Pro + a year and more money" several times, so I don't know why you came to that conclusion based off what I said.
User123456
Member
The Scorpio seems to be comfortably outperforming my PC in Forza, but yeah, I'll wait until the console is out to see whether the average game is 4k60 or not. If they're not 4k native, or they're not 60fps, then I'll probably pass.
Colbert
Banned
I am a german. We germans love PCs as everybody knows here. I was into PC gaming at the time the first Doom popped up (that time I studied computer science). But after several years of upgrading hardware and software more or less very frequently I eventually sat down calculating all the money and hours I put into this.
I can tell you, it was a shock how much I wasted into this.
That day I made 2 decisions (about 20 years ago btw):
a) get rid of everything that looks like a Desktop PC and is upgradable which resulted into switching to the Apple ecosystem
and b) gaming only on console.
Never looked back and I have the feeling it saved me a ton of money in the long run.
They will not be 60fps, and they will not be native 4K across the board. No question.
Colbert
Banned
I hoped for Zen and Vega too but was never sure about it, so I did not claim it is in there. I just kept that door open for me. Having a bet is risk and reward. There will be times you earn the reward instead of the risk!
I has some bets ongoing too but how MS ensure BC to the Xbox One with the absence of ESRAM. I was spot on and earned some gift cards I can now spend for games I will play on Scorpio end of the year!
That's all perfectly reasonable. I like to play on consoles mostly because they allow me to just kinda relax and go with whatever presentation the developer has set out for me. I just hit play and go, that's it. For my own time, I value that a lot, even over higher resolution and even FPS.
Most of the time anyway
They will typically match whatever framerate the xbox one version has, and, they have already said that devs can target a resolution.
What I can see is that xbox one games being pushed harder so as to meet framerate requirements for Scorpio. E.g. a 720p target on xbox one so as to hit 60fps, therefore the Scorpio version running at at much higher resolution than that but at 60fps.
For some games, I'd be quite happy if they used the 6tf\4k texture grunt for better effects and then used checkerboarding to make up the difference.
I never thought it'd be definitely Zen/Vega, just hoped it would be. Not really disappointed about it. To be blunt I didn't think to you, this scenario would be a fully fledged upgrade.
Haha nice one!
I felt quite hopeful with it being Zen/Vega, but I'm happy with what we've got. Mostly the forced 16xAF, which has been my number 1 gripe with console gaming.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
The 1070 is not designed as a 4k card, more of a 1080p / 1440p Ultra card. At 4k it can't do Ultra settings at 60fps on all games (unless the game is older) as a lot of games start to hit the mid 40's, unless you start to drop settings down.
To be fair though DF did say the Scorpio Forza demo was running at Xbox One settings, just with 4k textures (thanks to the increased RAM size) so it wasn't running at Ultra settings for everything either but consoles have always been able to punch above their weight when it comes to graphics, thanks to optimisation.
Colbert
Banned
As I wrote earlier I strongly believe people should be excited about this new opportunity of playing the majority of multi plats in native 4K or supersampled 1080p on a console instead trying to suck that excitement out of the people.