Considering who it was that dragged him off the plane I doubt it was for his benefit.
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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat
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Considering who it was that dragged him off the plane I doubt it was for his benefit.
If this is their treatment of people they deserve to fail.
Dear United (and other airlines),
I had this idea about maximizing your revenue and profits even further.
1. Instead of overbooking your flights by only a small percentage, doubly overbook your flights.
2. Have your passengers check-in at a walled off gate.
3. Have multiple cameras at this gate and sell streaming tickets
4. When checking in, give each passenger a random weapon
5. The last x passengers alive, will get to fly to there destination. (where x is the amount of seats on your flight)
Now you have almost double (!!) your revenue from tickets, and set up an additional cash flow for streaming these "Battle Royale" events. You could even opt to add extra charges, for instance body removal. Or expand your business by offering burial space next to airfield!
Sincerely,
NewDust
I had this idea about maximizing your revenue and profits even further.
1. Instead of overbooking your flights by only a small percentage, doubly overbook your flights.
2. Have your passengers check-in at a walled off gate.
3. Have multiple cameras at this gate and sell streaming tickets
4. When checking in, give each passenger a random weapon
5. The last x passengers alive, will get to fly to there destination. (where x is the amount of seats on your flight)
Now you have almost double (!!) your revenue from tickets, and set up an additional cash flow for streaming these "Battle Royale" events. You could even opt to add extra charges, for instance body removal. Or expand your business by offering burial space next to airfield!
Sincerely,
NewDust
Kite
Member
All airlines overbook, getting bumped off your flight is extremely rare and when it does happen you can almost always get someone to bite and take another flight with a voucher. That is why airlines do it.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
So you believe, if someone makes a different choice to you they deserve physical violence? He didn't want to leave. It's up to them to deal with that. He did not deserve physical violence. If a person chooses to stay they don't deserve physical violence.
Take a look at the photos of the event and get it in your head what you're defending. He did nothing to deserve that
Skellig Gra
Member
True but it's like the dude awhile back who called the cops on the brother changing his tire. We wasn't calling in a murder but you never know what these cops are gonna do.
Everyone is talking about "overbooking" as if that's the main issue here... AFAIK overbooking situations are identified and fixed BEFORE people get on a flight during check-in.
It's not like the plane shrinks after check-in is done, is it? This looks to me unrelated to overbooking.
It's not like the plane shrinks after check-in is done, is it? This looks to me unrelated to overbooking.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I mean... the academic credentials to work in the airline service industry aren't high... or even existent.
Unlike the restaurant service industry, they don't even have the concept of a tip to incentivize good service.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
Member
And guess what? No one would have known about this practice other than those who have been affected by it or this guy getting kicked off the plane if he hadn't stood his ground. These practices continue because people are willing to accept what sometimes can feel like a bribe. They know they've got you in a poor bargaining position and they use that to their advantage.
Caayn
Member
I don't get it. When I buy a plane ticket I reserve a seat on the plane. You can't sell the same seat twice.
So United, and possibly other US airlines as well reading this thread, actually sell the seat multiple times and hope that passengers just don't show up. But when they do show they forcibly cancel the reservation. That's messed up.
So United, and possibly other US airlines as well reading this thread, actually sell the seat multiple times and hope that passengers just don't show up. But when they do show they forcibly cancel the reservation. That's messed up.
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Holy shit that poll, I didn't remember they were this shitty.
Imagine the threads around MLK, Malcolm X, JFK and RFK assassinations. Imagine the threads on Vietnam and how Nixon tried to sabotage the peace talks, or Watergate.
Well, at least we have the Trump-Russia threads.
Imagine the threads around MLK, Malcolm X, JFK and RFK assassinations. Imagine the threads on Vietnam and how Nixon tried to sabotage the peace talks, or Watergate.
Well, at least we have the Trump-Russia threads.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Yep. dude is gonna get paid.
*in hushed whispers behind the United counter*
Employee 1: We already offered them the highest amount of monopoly money we could what do we do?
Employee 2: We could delay boarding until someone volunteers, or we could call someone to see if we can up the voucher, or we could speak to some customers individually, explaining the situation and seeing if they could understand the need to be bumped.
Employee 3: No, let's let them all board, then chose them at random hunger games style, and if they refuse we'll call the cops who will inevitably resort to physical violence as that's literally all they know how to do apparently.
ALL TOGETHER: What could go wrong?
YuriLowell
Member
I love the mental gymnastics that people are doing to defend United.
Leona Lewis
Banned
Welcome to United!
Lol @ all the people that would be quoting common practices or law. "Well traditionally black people would stand up. THIS. IS. HER.FAULT."
Fixed it for you.
The reason I'm mad isn't the "re-accommodation", its that they dragged somebody out of their seat and down the aisle, smashing the guy's face in the process. When it should have all been resolved before anyone had boarded (even if a couple customers couldn't board).
Shamrock7r
Member
I'll ask again, If the guy sues, do you think he will win?
Audioboxer
Member
Ideally, it shouldn't exist, but yeah, 10~15 minutes Google searching shows involuntary bumping is allowed. What shouldn't really be allowed is dragging off by force in a violent manner. The airline just needs to deal with resisting passengers and move onto another random passenger. At worst, tell the flight until x amount of passengers agree to leave the flight isn't taking off.
http://www.travelsense.org/Consumer/consumerdetail.cfm?ItemNumber=13894
Or more interestingly it seems you can get more money for being involuntarily bumped?
http://lifehacker.com/if-your-flight-is-overbooked-dont-volunteer-to-get-bum-1722036179
Some interesting stats from the above too
LmaoWelcome to United!
Literally anything they did could have been better.
Even just delaying the plane indefinitely or outright canceling the flight would have had less blow back that actually knocking some poor doctor out and dragging his body away.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
"Why didn't the negress just move to the other side of the bus? The seats are the same, and it's in the rules besides. She would have gotten to her destination just the same. What an attention whore, being a woman doesn't make you a special little snowflake. As soon as the authorities arrived I bet she knew she fucked up."
Rosa Parks got arrested on purpose.
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
backflip10019
Member
They could've chartered this guy a private jet 20 times over for the amount of money this is going to end up costing them.
Username1198
Member
That poor dude. Completely uniteds fault. What a bunch of assholes.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Honestly... how is this not fraud?
Welcome to United!
I'm fairly certain I've seen this team in Counter Strike.
I dont understand how any adult could drag another adult across the floor. Just come up with a different solution you dense motherfuckers. Why is nobody else jumping to volunteer to just get off that fucking plane when seeing this happen? They should have let the 4 united employees have the whole damn plane to themselves.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
airmangataosenai
Member
I had an experience where I was traveling with my dog to my new job and got held up at cargo. I rushed to ticketting barely making it in time before theur cutoff point. When I got to the counter to check my luggage the clerk left for 5 minutes to take a break. When she came back she informed me I missed the cutoff and would have to buy a ticket on a later flight for twice what I paid.
United: Not even once.
United: Not even once.
George Carlin, is that you?
It was for operational reasons, so it makes sense, they just should have found the "volunteers" before anyone had boarded.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
A plane is not a public space.. Him not wanting to leave is irrelevant. He was asked to leave its a private plane. They have a right to have him physically removed.
It sucks it happened but he forced their hand. Again he has no right to be there and is obligated to leave when asked. PERIOD.
The shitty situation is all UNITED's fault. The manor in which he was physically removed was all the POLICES fault. but the choice to not leave when asked which led to him being physically removed was all HIS OWN FAULT.
anyway this is just a circular argument, you feel he has the right to not comply and no ends justify removing him.
I feel they have the right to ask him to remove himself and physically enforce that right if he refuses.
BarringGaffner
Member
Well yeah if neogaf was around in the 60's chances are there would be a lot more racists on it.
Still, pretty stupid comparison to a randomly selected passenger of an overbooked flight.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Just so people get an idea of how laws allowing this kind of stuff get passed.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=T1100
The American airline industry spent approximately $25 mil just in 2014 on lobbyists and lobbying activities.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=T1100
The American airline industry spent approximately $25 mil just in 2014 on lobbyists and lobbying activities.
Saint Gregory
Member
United is the same airline that basically stole $500 from me when they refused to let me check in for a domestic flight to Las Vegas, saying that I was required to be there 90 minutes before the flight, when it was clear that they had grossly overbooked based on how many people in my line were being given different excuses for why they weren't being allowed to check in for the flight.
When I refused to wait 7 hours for the next flight and left to go back home I was told that I wouldn't be refunded for my ticket and would have to pay $150 dollars to use it for another trip. Since there was no way in hell that I would ever fly United again my money was lost. Jetblue for life since that day. If Jetblue doesn't fly somewhere then I don't either.
When I refused to wait 7 hours for the next flight and left to go back home I was told that I wouldn't be refunded for my ticket and would have to pay $150 dollars to use it for another trip. Since there was no way in hell that I would ever fly United again my money was lost. Jetblue for life since that day. If Jetblue doesn't fly somewhere then I don't either.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Can you imagine the hypothetical thread if the bus seats reclined?
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