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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat
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bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
I'm of the mind, that if given a choice to follow orders by the police , or refusing which would result in them physically restraining me, I'd comply with their orders. Threats of action by the police are something I take very seriously.
Skellig Gra
Member
You are free to take a moral stance and I can respect that but it would be wise to not resist when a police officer is threatening violence to you given their track record.
Wind's Howling
Member
Pretty much. Lawyers are going to have a field day.
Ugh, sucks United is who my company prefers we fly with when traveling for work. I haven't had issues with them on business travel, but wouldn't use them for personal travel due to insane pricing alone. Still can't believe they forced this man off and thought this was the best solution. That 800 bucks could have been used for their employees to fly on a competitor and I'm sure they wouldn't have spent nearly that much with all the internal partnerships and agreements they have.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I honestly don't care about what you do. What I care about is that you think that people who would act differently deserve physical abuse. Okay, he didn't do what you would do. So fucking what? Look at the images and video, he did not deserve that.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
That's your prerogative but blaming someone who wouldn't act the way you do when what he did is reasonable is where you're wrong.
People have stood up to police or authority figures since the beginning of man. Many have been on the right side of history in doing so and been remembered for it.
LizardKing
Member
Do you know what selling something that you don't have is called? Fraud. Strange how that doesn't apply here. I was just watching a doc about a guy who went to jail for fraud for overselling timeshares in a complex.
Terrible article by the BBC - posting facebook speculation over witness accounts of what actually happened.
Chezzymann
Member
I guess the argument is that if it was some guy just visiting family he could wait a few days, while the doctor absolutely had to go but its still shitty either way
Skellig Gra
Member
Yeah and the other guy won't be an internet meme being knocked out on the floor and drug down the aisle. Not really worth it.
Shamrock7r
Member
That doesn't sound too bad
BronsonLee
Member
Ya I'd rather just have the 800 bucks and the hotel though they could probably whine and get extra now too
Ain't no amount of money worth getting your head bounced against an armrest
Ain't no amount of money worth getting your head bounced against an armrest
FinaruDensetsu
Member
It's fraud unless there's a law that explicitly says it's not. When an industry pays millions to bribe government officials you can buy those kinds of laws.
PeskyToaster
Member
the first time I flew United the plane was late and made me miss my connection lol. Probably will be the only time I fly United. Delta has been pretty good for me as far as flights but I haven't done a lot of international travel.
Instead they(united) told BuzzFeed News all further questions should be referred to Chicago Police. BuzzFeed News contacted Chicago Police and were told to contact the Chicago Department of Aviation. When BuzzFeed News contacted the Chicago Department of Aviation they were transferred to a TSA message bank. A TSA spokesperson later told BuzzFeed News they were not involved and to contact Chicago Police.
what a shit show
what a shit show
BronsonLee
Member
They are fucking garbage with international travel but they also have the cheapest tickets by far
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I think most people past a certain age don't really give two shits if they become an internet meme or not.
Dash_Riprock
Member
I was about to express outrage that people on GAF could defend this bullshit, but then I remembered we have people here defending Trump and beating up little kids at a protest.
Wandering Robot
Member
Reading this absolutely disgusting display and the defense force for it...United deserves the backlash and hopefully vast amounts of cash lost in legal nightmare.
YuriLowell
Member
It's probably 800 in a voucher that you can use on another shitty flight.
I have never seen them give out cash.
Skellig Gra
Member
Doc didn't look too old but what do I know.
This is really blowing up, looks like its top trending on twitter. United is incredibly good at creating PR disasters.
Fuck them and all those who think this is worth defending.
the fuck is this. So people who don't follow what your thoughts are deserve what happened to this man?
Fuck them and all those who think this is worth defending.
the fuck is this. So people who don't follow what your thoughts are deserve what happened to this man?
What if the same inaction was taken by people throughout history when being told to do something by police that was objectionable, prejudice, etc? Should we never question authority? This man isn't Rosa Parks, but he did nothing wrong, paid money for a ticket, and was in his seat (with bags stored) ready to go. At what point is he allowed to question authority?
Any Questions
Member
Nope, sorry chap. That was awful. No excuse in the world to assult him like that.
I can't fathom your point of view that this is the responsibility of the passenger. Even if a minor part.
This way of looking at the world leads to ignorance. Or acceptance that it's ok to beat/ shoot/ assult somebody if you have a badge and folks arr not doing what you tell them. Nobody has the right to assult anybody. Even more so when the person is an innocent human going about their business. There were hundreds of different choices which could of been made in that scenario.
Suggesting that our victim had anything to do with his injuries is ridiculous and i think it would be wise to think on it for a bit.
SwiftDeath
Member
Note to future self: United only really starts negotiating on overbooked flight incentives once you start fisticuffs
Wow literally playing hot potato with clear overuse of force and absolutely shitty customer service
Seriously this was handled terribly by United and by those officer. Passenger has a right to get what he paid for and it's entirely unreasonable what they did to him.
Wow literally playing hot potato with clear overuse of force and absolutely shitty customer service
RoninChaos
Member
Hey man. I need you to go ahead and give me 400 dollars, right now. If you don't comply you're forcing my hand so just cooperate and hand over they money.
Audioboxer
Member
What? Jayse and Audra are two passengers?
Man, people will defend anything.
Sometimes I can rationalize it by understanding that folks don't want to believe the worst about their government/employers/family/other random association, but when it's just some shitty airline...
I guess they just want to preserve the right to fuck over their own customers in the future, hypothetically?
Sometimes I can rationalize it by understanding that folks don't want to believe the worst about their government/employers/family/other random association, but when it's just some shitty airline...
I guess they just want to preserve the right to fuck over their own customers in the future, hypothetically?
Nialrot
Member
Former CEO of Continental Airlines, Gordon Bethune (currently a CNBC contributor), looking foolish and out of touch with reality...
Not quite sure calling the passenger 'immature' in that specific situation is a good look.
Not quite sure calling the passenger 'immature' in that specific situation is a good look.
Maybe the fine print says something about heads impacting arm rests
Dash_Riprock
Member
I'm of the the mind that you're white.
Understand that your position is basically "Might makes right"
Vicetrailia
Member
I see that united doesn't have a customer first mentality.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
He refused to do a specific thing they required that wasn't optional. a good reason,is besides the point.
You can argue a change of policy would eliminate the issue, argue that offering more money would mitigated the issue is one thing. That they have shitty customer service sure.
Arguing its a shitty reason so they can't enforce it and he shouldn't have to comply? Completely wrong.
People get kicked off of flights all the time, for many reasons, the passenger never gets to dictate the enforcement once a decision is made.
The only option is to comply while on the plane..then afterwards they can pursue action.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Honestly and I mean offense, most of the defense I believe comes from a place of cowardice.
I wouldn't do a thing and stand up and it can't be because I'm afraid because that would make me look weak. Therefore, when someone does it, it's not because they are principled or brave, it's because they are wrong because I couldn't possibly be wrong, cowardly, or lack principles or convictions I would fight for.
BarringGaffner
Member
There's enough blame to go around, it's not a simple situation.
The good thing is that United's terrible handling of this will cost them.
CherryWoodFuton
Member
I know people like bloodydrake
Those type of people follow authority figures no matter what even if it's ethically wrong.
They don't get that those types of opinions is what lead to some pretty fucked up atrocities
Def not saying that this incident is equal to Nazi Germany but dude needs to open his mind up a little bit
Those type of people follow authority figures no matter what even if it's ethically wrong.
They don't get that those types of opinions is what lead to some pretty fucked up atrocities
Def not saying that this incident is equal to Nazi Germany but dude needs to open his mind up a little bit
dark_chris
Member
There's a defense force for anything, especially on GAF. You should know this. Lol
BronsonLee
Member
I always leave a pretty big forehead imprint on the tray table when I'm nappin'
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
You're the only one choosing to focus on the passenger for some reason. United made the choice to eject him. They did not have to do that. There was in fact no sane reason to do that.
We are criticising the choice they made to eject him and subject him to physical violence.
They did not have to do this. He was, literally, literally, just a random customer who did nothing wrong. He should've never been put in a position to be subjected to physical violence or leave the plane in the first place.
perineumlick
Member
Exactly. Just because I might find myself in a situation and decide to be submissive doesn't mean I believe everyone should react the same.
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
must accept responsibility for their actions.. they must accept the the consequences of their actions but they don't deserve abuse for the sake of abuse
Steeped in a Sea of Games
Member
That's dire.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Seeing as how they never went above the $800 that nobody wanted to take, there was almost no negotiating.
perineumlick
Member
No, there's not enough blame to go around. Who else is to blame but United? Jesus, what is going on here?
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