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What if Microsoft announced an Xbox One Portable?

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ivan.k

Member
True, but:
there are many, many digital games on Xbox that are <2GB. Think things like Shovel Knight, Peggle 2, other indies, smaller 3rd-party games, and so forth. You'd be able to grab a ton of those, and maybe one or two bigger games along with.

So you're suggesting buying a $400 portable Xbox for shovelware garbage?
 

12Dannu123

Member
MS isn't exactly known from their hardware engineering feats, in terms of making things smaller and more efficient. Their consoles have always been behemoths with equally gargantuan power supply units.

There's no way they could make an equally-specced Xbox One into a portable.

Hahahaha. What are you serious? Surface and Hololens teams rightfully disagree with you.
 

Sony

Nintendo
MS isn't exactly known from their hardware engineering feats, in terms of making things smaller and more efficient. Their consoles have always been behemoths with equally gargantuan power supply units.

There's no way they could make an equally-specced Xbox One into a portable.

I think every respected tech journalist can agree with that MS's hardware output since Surface RT and Pro has been top quality and dare I say, industry leading. It's only fluke design wise is the original Xbox One. Reliability wise, it's a damn good machine.
 

redcrayon

Member
Outside of hardware issues, one of the problems with just running games designed for home consoles as-is on a portable is text size. With nobody even considering how menus designed to be looked at on a television will look on a screen designed for mobile, expect a lot of them, particularly in stat-heavy genres, to be barely legible. It's OK if you're just running roms of old games on it, people are more forgiving of that as the text was largely designed for poor displays and so clarity was key. Text that is built for modern displays is often small because they know the displays are sharp. I suspect you don't notice the lack of quality control until you don't have it. I certainly found that with barebones PC-to-Vita ports like Space Hulk, where the text is really small compared to games specifically optimised for portable play.

It's amusing to see some people assume that all of the issues they have with Nintendo's hardware are down to them being cheap, and thus can be outdone by MS throwing money at it to create something with the power of a PC but the size of a Vita, rather than dealing with the compromises in battery life and hardware design required to get a machine that small.
 

C4Lukins

Junior Member
I do not think it would work.

Maybe it would work if they stressed the various apps they have, and it was powerful enough to play their 360 lineup. And they did a thing where the purchase of said games crosses into a single purchase that would be available on PC, Xbox One, 360, and the handheld.

But I am a bad person to ask this question to. I hate handheld gaming. It is simply uncomfortable to play games in such a way.

I would rather listen to an audiobook, watch a movie, or surf the internet before I would play a game on a handheld device.

As much as I love gaming, I am not a fan of gaming on a tiny screen. I do not want to play Halo on a 10 inch screen on an airplane.
 

Alchemy

Member
I don't see anyway they can get even the baseline Xbox One GPU power draw low enough to make an effective portable. With how XBO games are made I don't see anyway they can scale games down, they'd be stuck trying to shove an XBO or S APU into a portable. That would be one hell of a challenge, how small would they have to shrink the APU to get power consumption under control enough to make a decent portable?
 
Battery tech might be here soon. New tech has batteries that last a lot longer, charge much much faster (minutes instead of hours) have more charge cycle lives, can be used in far greater temperature ranges and are far safer by using glass electrolytes instead of liquid electrolytes like they do now to transfer the lithium ions between the anode and the cathode. Some pretty interesting stuff especially since not long ago most thought something like this was impossible.

news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Yeah that's not gonna be mainstream consumer ready for years.
 

RM8

Member
What is it then? I didn't bought my current gen system (Xbox One) and built a PC to play a game that looks like something from 80s
Shovelware is not a term used for old games, or retro inspired games. It's a term used for low effort, low quality games that could actually look much more modern than Shovel Knight. It's okay if you don't like it, but you don't get to change the meaning of the word.
 

TLZ

Banned
The Nintendo Switch is larger than the Vita.

You're not going to get an Xbox One into a form factor that's smaller than the Switch.

people are going to tell you 'itll cost a fortune'

they're wrong

it won't cost anything

because it's literally impossible

But it doesn't have to be smaller than a switch. And the switch could've been cheaper if it wasn't for the silly expensive rumble joycons. You can say the device can have an extra $70-80 room for more power/advanced chip.
 

redcrayon

Member
Sounds about right
You really don't know what you're talking about. Shovel Knight is objectively a critically-acclaimed game built with years of on-going support, and commonly lauded across most forums. Those are facts. Your opinion on what you enjoy aside, it isn't shovelware by any widely-understood definition of the term just because it's a 2D side scroller with an 80s-style-aesthetic.
 
I think you're underestimating Microsoft. Just because Nintendo wimps out and uses weak hardware for their portable doesn't mean Microsoft would as well.

The biggest issue with the Switch is it's using a very old SoC. Not only is it weaker than the new stuff, but also nowhere near as power efficient.

I think it's entirely possible that Microsoft can release a significantly more pwerful product than the Switch with at least the same battery life for not that much more money and still have it be profitable.

The biggest thing going for Microsoft beyond the loads of cash they have is the product would fit very well in the Play Anywhere ecosystem.


I do expect either Microsoft or Sony, perhaps both, to try the hybrid model. I just expect them to not make the same mistakes Nintendo did with the Switch.

What is it about the Switch that causes people to spew out misinformed shit posts?
 
I think every respected tech journalist can agree with that MS's hardware output since Surface RT and Pro has been top quality and dare I say, industry leading. It's only fluke design wise is the original Xbox One. Reliability wise, it's a damn good machine.

Other than the psu I agree with you 100%. They suck. The original disc drives aren't to great either but other than that the thing is a damn tank. The thing can go through some abuse and still be ok. Seen it 1st hand as one of my buddies is an outrageously funny hot head that beats up on his X1 way to often and it always still works lol. It's solid never gets hot and is quiet as can be as well.
 

redcrayon

Member
Nintendo made a powerful machine, and that has broken people's minds.
Yeah, I think some find it inconceivable that Nintendo used a reasonable battery in there and so think other companies could make a better portable just by throwing money at it to run unoptimised-for-portable home console libraries at anything up to 50gb on something only two-thirds of the size.

If you wanted to play AAA home console games on it, what kind of memory card would you need for even half a dozen of the bigger games? A 256gb microSD is still £165. That's why a cart slot still makes a lot of sense compared to digital-only for portable. In a decade's time I can see portables being digital-only as memory cards catch up to increasing game sizes though.
 

geordiemp

Member
I think once AMD gets Zen and VEGA sorted out, surface pro could use AMD instead of intel for some nice PC laptop gaming.

I think laptops will eventually fill in the AAA gaming on the go once we get lower power zen and vega in the market place.
 

SpokkX

Member
Uh

You do not seem to understand some basic facts

- The xbox cpu architechture is x86 and draws way to much power.

- The xbox gpu is amd based and amd does barely even HAVE mobile gpus anymore. They are way to power hungry compared to nvidia

So.. in 5 years it may be possible. Now - impossible
 

ramparter

Banned
Note the 720p screen. It wouldn't need to hit the same performance as the original spec, especially if the games can use adaptive resolution (and many already do).
Many xbox games already render at 720p so you gain nothing for those.
 

geordiemp

Member
Uh

You do not seem to understand some basic facts

- The xbox cpu architechture is x86 and draws way to much power.

- The xbox gpu is amd based and amd does barely even HAVE mobile gpus anymore. They are way to power hungry compared to nvidia

So.. in 5 years it may be possible. Now - impossible

http://wccftech.com/zen-based-notebooks-2h-2017/

Zen and vaga low power versions will be a thing in 2018, I think you are so wrong, your thinking is based on what AMD HAVE been doing, not what they are going to do.

Zen and Vega in laptops will give good power and portability. I can just imagine a top end surface pro in a couple of years.....
 

ggx2ac

Member
I think once AMD gets Zen and VEGA sorted out, surface pro could use AMD instead of intel for some nice PC laptop gaming.

I think laptops will eventually fill in the AAA gaming on the go once we get lower power zen and vega in the market place.

Will these laptops cost $300?
 

geordiemp

Member
Will these laptops be $300?

Probably not, but they will be much more capable than whats available now, you could play games like battlefield on the go and major releases, surf, do work on laptop, social media, everything.

They will be for laptops and probably steam gaming on the go and the ultimate portable devices that can play the AAA block busters.

Having a library of 1000's of games on a powerful portable that is also a full portable office will be appealing to some.

I would love a gaming laptop, the affordability and power will certainly improve, lets see what happens in the next year when they drop.
 

GLAMr

Member
Given Microsofts history with portable devices and platforms, I'd laugh and laugh and laugh.
Hey! As one of the thirteen people in the world who bought a Microsoft Lumia, screw you. I mean, I can't disagree with you. But still, ouch.

At least Surface is a god-tier device.
 

geordiemp

Member
Given Microsofts history with portable devices and platforms, I'd laugh and laugh and laugh.

Surface pro laughs back at you, and laughs and laughs.

I dont have one but I drool when I see them, if they ever get a zen ad vega instead of intel they would be amazing for gaming.
 

Staal

Member
Now I would buy an Xbox360 portable, I really enjoyed it's library.
This, who cares about the X1 library?

I'd love a portable, Vita-sized console which could play the X360 library. There are amazingly good games to play on it.
And portable Far Cry 2 and Alpha Protocol would be a dream.
 

Peterc

Member
It will be a very stupid idea from them !

They already have issues with xbox one disaster, the cant effort another one, even the price would be 800$ and the thickness of the battery would be hugh

The best solution from them is not to copycat nintendo but rather doing something where they are good in. -> PC

They should release a PC console, simple as that and focus on core gamers and not the mainstream people like ps4 does.

MMO games or RTS games, even E-sport games. Thats what we all need.
 
For this you need (with current affordable tech)

A 24000v cell battery
SSD storage
Flash storage that rivals blu ray capacity
A smaller chipset that wouldn't overheat under a small, thin chassis.

That's currently impossible. Best you could go for is a portable version the size of a laptop, but that's also pushing it.
 

Majine

Banned
Microsofts problem isn't hardware, it's software.

With Scorpio, they are chasing this hardware thing that's been dogging them since release with a ferocity that is admirable, but only a temporary solution at best.

They need new innovative IP that can replace Halo and Gears because those are not doing it anymore.
 
You really think Sony, MS and Nintendo design the important silicon in these devices. Really ?

The ability to do it is enabled by whatever Nvidia, AMD or Intel can offer in the low power category.

Huh, how did you get that from my post? I meant make it a success not actually build the thing.
 

Quasar

Member
Surface pro laughs back at you, and laughs and laughs.

I dont have one but I drool when I see them, if they ever get a zen ad vega instead of intel they would be amazing for gaming.

True I was more thinking about Windows Mobile and the Kin and the Zune.
 
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