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Sony FY2016 financial results (60 million PS4 shipped LTD)
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Even the $3.5 B is likely wrong. It's based on SteamSpy so far as I'm aware which is known to be inaccurate and depending on how low/high a tolerance you attach to it could vary up or down quite a bit accordingly.
Steam revenues aren't really known is the bottom line. At best you can make estimates based on available data that is known to not be fully accurate so far as I can tell: so I think it's a mistake to take such estimates and compare them to publicly declared figures from other companies.
TRUE ORDER
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Great, well deserved!
I think they'll reach the 18 million for this new year.
I think they'll reach the 18 million for this new year.
entremet
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Chobel
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Huh, they actually made it to 60M. Color me surprised.
Not even $4 billion? The age of Sony is done.
Not even $4 billion? The age of Sony is done.
They don't need a price drop to sell like hot cakes
GTS (probably), RDR2 (also Sony, unless delay), and imo they'll have 1+ other exclusive (imo GoW, and probably a family title, possibly Dreams, in Dec) and a $199 price + HZD bundles
The Abominable Snowman
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Even if this is peak year, PS4 barring some disaster is a lock for 100M. I think momentum+price drop will push it higher FY2017, and same for XB1+Scorpio (RE: being higher than FY16). Both consoles are doing phenomenally. Switch too.
DriftingSpirit
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DriftingSpirit
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Difficult to say since we haven't received numbers for a while now. I think ~30M would be the best guess though.
hanspampel
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Steamspy estimates are very good.
even with a 10 or 15% margin of error (i highly doubt it's that big), you still have a pretty good understanding of the game sales on steam
people just need to be aware that those numbers are estimates and not reported numbers from the company itself. but that was said.
we know steam is not making only $2bn a year. and we know steam is also not making $5bn or more. that is at least something
very likely
only way Sony won't hit 100m is to start a next gen early, that is well received and priced like the Ps4 and will kill last gen sales quickly like it happend with Ps3
but why would they do that and hurt their profitability?
Reckheim
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no, they are not. Casual gamers don't buy new consoles to play old games.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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PS3 had PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. The PS3's biggest selling years were after they took BC out of the system. I think your logic is flawed when compared to the actual market. I would love at least PS4 BC in the PS5, mind you, but historically it has never been as big as you seem to think it is.
I think it is safe to say that PS4 will push above 102M in 2019, making the PS4 the second best selling home console of all time [surpasing PS1]. IMO, PS5 will arrive in late 2019, but of course PS4 should continue to sell a bit more after that.
Does anyone has any numbers about the worldwide sales of PS3 after PS4 arrived?
Does anyone has any numbers about the worldwide sales of PS3 after PS4 arrived?
hanspampel
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this statement would be true 10 or 15 years ago, but not anymore
guess what people play these days. 3, 5 or 7 years old games alone with some new
no BC would be a HUGE mistake for Sony. but they won't do that because they're not that stupid
Roughly 80m.
Eh, BC for the xbone had no significant impact on sales so who can say for sure.this statement would be true 10 or 15 years ago, but not anymore
guess what people play these days. 3, 5 or 7 years old games alone with some new
no BC would be a HUGE mistake for Sony, but they won't do that, because they're not that stupid
The release of PS4 really cut into sales of PS3 worldwide, huh?
ethomaz
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My estimate.
26.5-28.5m
What sells console are new software... BC was never accounted for that and it did not help XB1 too.this statement would be true 10 or 15 years ago, but not anymore
guess what people play these days. 3, 5 or 7 years old games alone with some new
no BC would be a HUGE mistake for Sony. but they won't do that because they're not that stupid
OrbitalBeard
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60 million. Incredible. Congrats to Sony.
That it did. Also, people were really sick of Gen 7 at that point as it resulted in record opening months for both Sony and MS.
Well deserved. Kingdom Hearts provided a good boost for the PS4 to reach 60 million.
Your perception of time is irrelevant to the obvious facts at hand. lol
Your perception of time is irrelevant to the obvious facts at hand. lol
BlackBuzzard
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So how did Sony as the whole company do?
ethomaz
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They predicted 18m for FY2017.
As far as we know they're not launching new hardware though. If we're getting pricecuts I can see 20 million plus happen again as well.
get2sammyb
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Well, they're forecasting 18 million, so maybe not. I think that probably signals they're maybe not going to be quite as aggressive with price drops as we expected, though.
hanspampel
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how can you say that?
do you know what the xbox one would have sold without BC?
do you know if people are now more or less invested and stuck in the ecosystem or not?
how do you measure that without all the engagement data only MS has?
but we know what games people play and buy.
and to say something like that is irrelevant is ridiculous
imagine you can't play Dota on Steam anymore
imagine you can't play Overwatch and RDR2 online on Ps5 anymore
sure people will love that
10 years ago single player games were the most sold and played ones
today it's long lasting multiplayer focused games you play for years over and over again because they're constantly updated
DriftingSpirit
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I maintain that having BC helps but it isn't something that will significantly harm anything if it isn't there.
FonkyByNature
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Man, PS4 is really doing well for Sony. The console took off like crazy and everyone around me has a PS4 and co-workers at my job all have PS4's. The majority did adopt the console at a fast rate.
It will only go up from here, game like Spiderman, God of War, GT Sports, 3rd party deals like Destiny, Star Wars, COD are gonna make the console even more attractive.
This is all deserved to be honest, Sony did almost everything right this gen.
It will only go up from here, game like Spiderman, God of War, GT Sports, 3rd party deals like Destiny, Star Wars, COD are gonna make the console even more attractive.
This is all deserved to be honest, Sony did almost everything right this gen.
Ascenion
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Spider-Man isn't coming out this year. You should probably let that go. It'll be out in late April of next year to coincide with Infinity War and that free co-marketing. Imo if it's not out by July for Homecoming there's no point, the Blu Ray release in November or so will have nowhere near the marketing push.
I can confidently say that because their 2016 report did not mention any increase in X1 hardware YOY. BC officially launched in November 2015.
Toni
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I forgot to add Gran Turismo, which is their biggest sales hitter in Europe.
If they didn't have Star Wars and Destiny 2, in almost the same quarter, I would as well agree that a forecast of 18 million would be the safest bet they can make as a company.
But they can't shoot that far when forecasting sales. They weren't expecting to ship 20 million in 2016, yet they sold that to customers.
The same scenario is likely to be repeated here.
Gran Turismo and Uncharted are also coming out. They are absolutely going all out.
Spider-man, Star Wars, Gran Turismo and Destiny 2 are way too big for PS4 not blow past 18 million.
I sincerely believe this is the year they peak.
wapplew
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People seems happy to buy GTA5 again on PS4/Xbox one for GTA online, so you are not wrong, people will love that.
Publisher will love that more.
Maintenance
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BC is extremely overrated sales wise, and I personally love the feature, one of the main reasons I use my PC.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Am I missing something here seen it mentioned several times now.
First parties we have left confirmed for this year are
Uncharted LL
Everybody's golf
Knack 2
Wipeout omega
Gt sport
RocknRola
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Knack 2 will sell more consoles than Destiny 2 + RDR 2 put together hehe
In all seriousness, with some improvements + co-op can it can actually become a fun couch/party game.
It's good that Sony isn't afraid to give it a second chance
Sword Of Doom
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Probably why some thought it was an unforced error. They were smart with the slim and it's aggressive pricing though
Sidewinder
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I'd say it can be a valuable bulletpoint during the launch of a new gen: "well d'oh I've got 50 PS4 games on my PSN account and 0 on my Xbox, I'll go with the PS5, as long as it isn't a piece of garbage compared to whatever MS offers"
"hmm I've got 50 PSN games and 0 Xbox, but I'll lose them all whatever console I buy next. Xbox is pretty good, cheaper than PS5 and they don't take your old games away, even better they'll look and perform better, I'll switch to the box!"
Imho PS5 has to be backwards compatible from the start, so that their customers don't even think about switching. It definitely isn't a vital feature, but I think it can be pretty valuable.
Toe-Knee
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Knack 2 will sell more consoles than Destiny 2 + RDR 2 put together hehe
In all seriousness, with some improvements + co-op can it can actually become a fun couch/party game.
It's good that Sony isn't afraid to give it a second chance
The original had coop. It was great fun.
Toni
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Almost 4 billion just last quarter is just so nuts tho.
They brought in almost the same amount of profit MS got from Windows last quarter if I'm not mistaken.
ethomaz
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It was a joke about somebody else comment.
DriftingSpirit
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Yeah, a good feather in the cap sort of thing but I don't think it is impacting anything on a more macro level. Like people suggesting Sony's market collapsing because of not having it.
RocknRola
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It did? I was under the impression it was a brand new feature for the new game! My bad, had no idea (never played the full thing, just the demo).
Toe-Knee
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Yup. I think it's only accessible with a vita though.
If player 1 logs in via Remote play and then a controller is turned on the player with the ds4 gets robot Knack who is invincible and quite game breaking haha.
Toni
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Oh, my aplogies, I missed the comment.
But what was it though? Because to be honest, these are the best console gaming-related profits I've probably ever seen. If somebody was attempting to downplay even that, I'm in for a good laugh lol
Omnistalgic
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To hardcore who play a lot of games and very often, it's really important, even a purchasing decision as you mentioned.
It's just that the larger user base is more causal in game time. Often buying only a few yearly franchise games a year and GTA for the entire generation. These types of gamers are simply not going back and playing older titles, and they make up a bulk of the user base. It's a fine line with talking about b/c importance. It's not irrelevant, but it is kinda, lol. Hardcore get too bent out of shape when people dismiss it, just like so many on this forum almost saying the 'arrogant Sony is back' with how they handled PS2 emulation and the no UBD drive in Pro. You have to look at things in the correct perspective.
Also, I think Sony can hit closer to PS2 numbers if they can get PS4 down to even $150. That type of price-point is just a new territory for so many different regions of the world.