cheebdragonite
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In Japan, you'll often see people play it during their commute. It's also the kind of game you'd want to bring out if someone initiates some kind of meetup with your friends.
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In Japan, you'll often see people play it during their commute. It's also the kind of game you'd want to bring out if someone initiates some kind of meetup with your friends.
Renna Hazel
Member
I see. Local co-op is always a plus, hopefully the PS4 version offers split-screen to make up for that.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
I'm not trying to hide from anything. I made a statement, I got piled on and tried to defend my statement. The argument was going nowhere, so I dropped it. What have I done wrong here?
It's not theoretical bro.
It won't, but I'd love for MH to one day have splitscreen play.
Nintendo is facing the consequences of Wii U's failure--that major games greenlighted during Wii U's lifetime are heading to PS4/PC instead unless they're targeting 3DS. They did a lot to make the Switch attractive to developers and sales are certainly better for publishers now, but still, their battle for third parties is uphill.
I wonder if Switch is heading for a lack of third party support spiral, though. Say MHW, Code:Vein, or Dragon Ball is built from the ground up on PS4's power, its iterations will use same assets that might not support Switch, and so on. It will keep missing third parties, unless Nintendo steps in.
I really think you should wait at least till TGS, and I will be on the same boat as you afterwards if it still the same.
Right, the difference is PS4 had a clear future for third parties. Even stuff that wasn't announced straight away was guaranteed to see release(like Tales). Switch doesn't have that benefit.
Absolutely nothing man. MH was massively important for the 3DS.
Wait, so you're saying that it is a foregone conclusion that the NS will get the next Call of Duty, Destiny, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, etc.? I don't think anyone had any doubts those would come to the PS4 when it was first announced. We can't say the same thing about the NS. Sure, it's doing pretty well right now, but the future as far as third party software is looking bleak. It doesn't matter how old the platform is. The PS4 was getting those games and I don't think anyone had any doubts about that. We can't say that about the NS, and I distinctly remember people saying my other thread that we should wait for E3 to see what new announcements were coming. E3 is over and nothing changed on that front. As a matter of fact, it looks a lot more dire than it did a couple of months ago.
Now, that said, I'm totally fine with what's been announced so far. My wallet will be crying throughout the rest of this year, but I don't think anyone can look at the system and be hopeful about the third party games situation.
Oh, come on, are you the one talking about looking sad? The same user who said that the third parties now giving some games to Switch just because they were confused by the thing ("Is this a handheld? A home? Balto? I-i don't know, let's give to it something while we solve our confusion!"). Ah right, you're also the same user who was absolutely sure, with no possibility of looking back and re-evaluating your estimates, that a game like Disgaea 5 would've only sold 20,000 worldwide. Oh, and let's not forget all the doom and gloom for whatever thing happens. OH GOD, TAIKO IS ANNOUNCED FOR PS4! HOW CAN SWITCH SURVIVE THIS NINTENDO-ONLY FRANCHISE GOING TO PS4?!?!? Ahem, no. The Taiko franchise started on PS2, it had iterations on PSP and even on Vita. Actually, the Vita game came out in Summer, as the next handheld's installment. That didn't represent a problem for the 3DS, thought, since it got another entry last year.
Sincerly, Oregano, you don't just look sad in your constant dooming and miscomprehension of situations. You look...concerning. It's not healthy to be this convinced of a console never getting more support in spite of its worldwide success due to third parties' stupidity/PS4's power/planets aligning.
The constant doom and gloom, in this passion, in several threads, and most of it based on the thing-of-the-day (like Taiko, for example) becomes boring, tiring and then insufferable to everyone else you're talking with. It isn't even a result of a deep analysis, with a rational explanation of why you think Switch is never going to get good support; most of the times, it's just going wahwahwah over stuff while trying to sound clever.
At least, try to enrich the others with what you're trying to say. That's what discussions should be about: starting from different point of views, opinions are exchanged and we have all the rights to agree/disagree, while noticing what we think it's right/wrong in what the others say. In the end, whoever joins the discussion could even end up enriched by it, a new element that makes him/her opinion on something more informed. Unfortunately, most of the times, again, I don't even see the expression of an opinion (but, to be honest, you're not alone in the recent MC threads), but just you going chicken-little with not enough substance to even make others interested. Actually, you have the opposite effect: others will have problems in you even expressing your opinion, because every time it looks so annoying and puerile.
Of course, the same goes for the exact opposite, i.e. the hyperbolic happiness (SWITCH IS MAH GOD! PS4 WILL DISAPPEAR FROM EARTH! MARIO WILL POSSESS THE EARTHLKKJNNDE". That should go without saying, but it's better to be safe than sorry, especially with how GAF currently works (or better, doesn't work, but still).
Split screen would be cool, but it's not what made the franchise such a hit in Japan.
The ability to get through a quest or a few on the commute to work, or during breaks are what caused the franchise to explode in Japan.
That's why some of us have insane expectations for Splatoon 2.
Switch come from Wii U there is a reason for third party to be more cautious.
PS4 itself does not from the gate had all those super huge exclusive announced too. It took times.
I'm willing to buy that 3rd parties weren't on board for the Switch to begin with. But what happens when Switch sells 10m worldwide after a year? Backed with the high quality software Nintendo themselves are bringing out year one? It might take time for the 3rd party support Nintendo needs to come but to tell yourself that 3rd parties will ignore that install base... I don't see it.
Major Japanese third party franchises confirmed for the Switch: Dragon Quest; Monster Hunter, Tales, SMT, most likely Inazuma Eleven.
And that's leaving aside more mid tier stuff like Taiko Drum and Story of Seasons.
Yes, PS4 had Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts announced by now. It did not have Dragon Quest or Monster Hunter or IIRC Tales. It still doesn't have SMT confirmed.
I'm asking you to look at actual data and actual announcements instead of making pessimistic assumptions.
By actual game announcements and data I do not believe you can claim that Switch support is in any way lagging behind PS4 at similar time frames.
In no post have I even hinted at looking at western third party support, so not sure why you are bringing up Activision.
You and Oregano are cherry picking franchises to further your doom narrative.
...but no one should have doubted that those games would come. PS4 owners knew they were getting a Final Fantasy, a Call of Duty, a GTA, a Red Dead, etc. Those games weren't announced, but they knew what to expect in the future if those announcements were made. That's the difference here. If Final Fantasy XVI was announced tomorrow, you can bet the PS4 is getting a version. The same can't be said about the NS.
What "doom narrative"? We're talking about the reality of the situation as it stands right now. A year from now it may look different, but as it as stand now this is where we're at. No one is making this up. I don't see what you're trying to say. The third party situation on the NS is not great right now. That's a fact.
The problem, as seen on Wii, is that if they weren't betting on Switch to begin with, it will take another 2+ years to get anything significant.
By then, they'll be too entrenched with chasing continued successes on PS4, or they will be hurt by bad decisions, as well as those publishers and Nintendo also gearing up for the next gen (PS5 will likely be out, or close to it).
Renna Hazel
Member
Oh yeah, I knew that wouldn't help it's Japan sales. I was only asking for my own reasons since I was planning to try the series out with XX, but I guess I'll have to try the PS4 game if that's the only one coming stateside.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Why does the time frame thing honestly matter? The fact one system came out much earlier than the other is just reality. It means you're going to see a lot of games come out just for PS4 or for PS4 + Switch, especially with games that Japanese publishers are looking to sell in the west. I do think PS4 + Switch is going to be a path a -lot- of games will take as we head further along though, at least when it comes to Japan. It does feel like the success of the Switch has caught everyone flat footed which is understandable.
Isn't it a foregone conclusion that 3DS 3rd party franchises like Yokai Watch, Ace Attorney, and Bravely Default? And that is without counting series already confirmed in some form like MH, DQ and SMT.
Laplasakos
Member
Uhmm... i think that Oregano in the end only states his opinion and how he views Switch support. Calling him ''sad'' and ''concerning'' only because you have a different opinion or view is a little bit too harsh imho. If you have a problem with how he is expressing his opinion (in other words if you find it insulting for your tastes) you could always put him in ignore you know because i don't think he has crossed any other line really.
Because Japanese 3rd parties are typically slow to transition to a new system.
During YW boom, i thought L-5 is going to be the new Bamco or Nintendo in third party scale but they had been doing nothing but bad moves again and again that they reach at even worst position vs the end of DS generation now.
I would think this time for Nintendo and with that Wii U era experience, i can see them being more aggresive with new IP with bigger push.
Similar time frames don't matter at all to the consumer. A person who is considering a purchase on a Nintendo Switch can only look at what's going on right now. It's the same argument that new MMOs have when missing features and trying to compete with the likes of WoW. The consumer can only see what's in front of them and at the moment the NS isn't getting many of the big games that these consumers want to buy. This is a fact. It doesn't matter what the situation looks like at a similar point in another console's life. Right now, the NS has been excluded in a lot of third party announcements in recent weeks and months. Will that change? Possibly...possibly not. But the future is definitely uncertain in that space.
To be honest, I don't know. I personally think Ace Attorney may go multi-platform. Not sure about Yokai Watch since Level 5 has been dragging their feet for a while now and their interviews where they talk about the NS are confusing to me. I think so much stuff about whether these games get released on the NS is up in the air.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
Sorry but this still doesn't mean anything, remember SMT for PS3? Chocobo Racing 3DS?
I'd rather have cold hard announcements rather than franchise announcements, because it doesn't mean they're definitely coming.
I can't wait for SMT racing powered by Unreal Engine.
I picked Tales for a specific reason though(and no it wasn't announced for PS4 quickly).
Switch has had Tales announced early in its life but it's extremely unlikely it will be a modern, mothership game.
PS4 didn't have Tales announced early but it was guaranteed to get mothership Tales.
Most of the Switch announcements follow a similar pattern, there's some big name franchises there but the individual release is not a big deal.
Even DQXI is damaged by being a late port, the first of its kind for the franchise.
This argument would be stronger if the switch weren't selling out constantly.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I mean the PS4 is going nowhere fast if we're talking about Japan, in terms of support that will push hardware there's barely anything outside of DQ and MHW which are many months apart. Nintendo really does have most of the highest selling games under it's first party umbrella with support from the rest, so in terms of sales potential in Japan this doesn't actually change anything. If your talking about the west it of course has a bigger impact.
It's why Imagine we'll see more games like ARMS and splatoon, in general Japanese third parties have been having a very difficult time growing major franchise outside of exceptions like Yokai and Nier and most of their current major franchise are seeing sizeable decline. So rather than those since they're not really fully supporting to platforms anymore I imagine they'll be greater impetus from Nintendo to make their own.
Ok. If we're just going to completely dismiss reality then there really isn't much to talk about I suppose.
I think major Japanese franchise heavily targeting the West are more likely to skip Switch (though I don't think that will be true for every franchise)
I think Japanese franchises targeting Japan and especially franchises that succeeded on 3DS and Vita will by and large increasingly target Switch.
I think when Splatoon takes over Japan in a month and Switch is approaching 4 million sold by early next year this entire conversation is going to look silly.
The Wii sold great, but I don't know if many people would call it's third party situation "amazing". Just because some console is selling well and has a big install base, doesn't mean third parties will jump on board.
We're not dismissing reality, sheesh. There have been some big games announced, but if you're following the game market in any capacity and the sheer number of game announcements made in recent weeks of big games, the NS hasn't been part of that. A consumer doesn't give a damn about history. They're only looking at what's in front of them and what's been said.
I agree with you in that fortunes can change, but I remember being more optimistic during the Wii days when it was selling out. I wanted so many of those games to come to system, only to be let down in the end. That shift people were talking about back then never really came and the excuse ended up being that the combined install base of the PS3/360 was better than the Wii. I worked at Gamestop back then and the sheer disappointment of players that X or Y game not being announced for the Wii was apparent on a daily basis. I remember when Bioshock was announced an customers keep asking if they could pre-order the game for the Wii and I had to tell them that it wasn't coming. The thing is from the outside looking in, the NS hasn't had many big third party game announcements and that should be a point of concern, because there's no guarantee this will change drastically even after a couple of years.
Right. There is a reasonable conversation to be had- but just dismissing virtually every 3rd party presence on the system makes it impossible.
PdotMichael
Banned
Weren't we supposed to wait for the TGS for all the third party support for Switch?
Though there is still no explenation why recent third party announcements without a Switch version isn't a worrisome sign for the near future at least.
Though there is still no explenation why recent third party announcements without a Switch version isn't a worrisome sign for the near future at least.
I am trying to follow the conversation at hand.
.- E3 came, third parties (at large) are still missing, Oregano comments about it
.- People put a counterargument claiming games will come because switch is selling, which may or may not turn to be true in the future
every point I read either makes sense or is a fact, what are you people arguing about?
.- E3 came, third parties (at large) are still missing, Oregano comments about it
.- People put a counterargument claiming games will come because switch is selling, which may or may not turn to be true in the future
every point I read either makes sense or is a fact, what are you people arguing about?
To be fair to Level 5 for a long time they were still more experimental than most 3rd parties.
They seemed invincible after the Layton/Inazuma double punch but already struggled after that, even more so at the transition between DS and 3DS where they mixed in PSP and Vita. Fantasy Life and YW I felt were more of lucky punches as they kept throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks. Right now they aren't even throwing anymore, just announcing and delaying.
To be completely fair to people I am very pessimistic about Switch's third party prospects in the foreseeable future and have expressed as much. Schuelma disagrees but is very respectful about it and acknowledges a lot of my points, others not so much...
wonderful103
Member
Yeah, I mean I stand by my opinion that there are actually a lot of people in these threads that have an agenda, especially Nintendo fans (although you have a very vocal minority of Sony fanboys dropping in and out too who cause their share of havoc). It's very difficult to have discussions with the sensible regulars here because of it.
Monster Hunter being such a big franchise, any discussion about it is inevitably going to go south as a result of the sort of people these threads attract. Poisoned chalice is putting it lightly
Sorry but you're going to need to be called out here. As someone who's been reading these threads for years, it's not just Nintendo fans who have an agenda. There have been some folks that have already been pointed out, but to say it's 1 group vs another is incorrect. There are agendas everywhere here (frankly including yourself). If you want to talk about Monster Hunter jumping ship and switching focus, which it has at the moment, it's hard to do so without any kind of agenda period.
The problem with this line of thinking is that the switch is also the successor to the 3ds. Third parties will, like the wii, be caught with their pants down. It takes at least a year to shift gears.
Scaling is also a thing, BTW. There aren't too many games that wouldn't manage to make work somehow if the publisher is interested in doing so.
awww shucks
PdotMichael
Banned
Because getting mid gen ports is somehow comperable to a complete new generation a la PS4.
Somehow Nintendo plain sucked at getting third parties in line for their next hardware.
What are you comparing, Wii and Switch in Japan?
The games on/coming to the system are lower effort, rather than the newer, big multiplatform games.
Many of these have (like Dragon Quest Heroes and Ultra Street Fighter II) underperformed and likely will continue to do so.
Meanwhile the successes of the games that have been successful (like Puyo Puyo Tetris and Super Bomberman R) will not signal higher budget efforts from the publishers, but more of those lower budget affairs.
Wii had the same problem.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but all the multimillion franchises are on Switch. Yes, some 3rd party games are missing, but they are absolutely small fish compared to what Nintendo can bring on the table. You have a new console that have Mario, Mario Kart, Splatoon and Monster Hunter in the first year. Probably Dragon Quest in the second year, mainline Pokemon and Animal Crossing at some point, and yet people still try to say its future is unclear. What already confirmed for Switch is a lineup that PS4 will never muster.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Hence it's current poor sales trajectory which obviously doubt matter to Japanese third parties as they largely don't care about domestic sales.
Just pointing out that having a large install base doesn't mean third parties will jump on board in any significant way.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
If the switch sells anything like the 3DS they will, it's not even a question otherwise why'd you think the vita got as much support as it did.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I don't think the Switch's third party situation is good and I don't think it matters the system was just announced when the games it's aiming to secure as third party support are multiplats of PS4 games. It's not like when the PS4 launched where it was an entirely new power envelope and there was nothing hardware wise to share some of the games. PS4 games are now in full production Swing, it shouldn't take the Switch as long to get going. With the Switch it's in the middle of the generation with the system it's suppose to share it's major support with. Stuff should be announced far quicker than the PS4.
In the same notion, people talking about announcements of franchises not counting or the games not going to be mainline or late. The PS4s entire catalogue of relevant big third games are cross gen (persona 5, MGS5, DQB, DQH, Tales), vaporware (KH3, FF7:Re) or mid tier new franchises (nier). The only old traditional franchises on PS4 worth anything at this point released is FF15 and lol if that is suppose to be a big deal at this point. It's going to be outsold by fucking Zelda. DQ11 isn't out (And will be on Switch), MHW isn't out. I'm sure I have missed a few but overall I struggle to see how the PS4 has taken over in dominant fashion. We just got to the point where it hasn't had to share games with PS3. The biggest PS4 games were also PS3 games.
Switch has some time to garner some support but the current landscape is not good imo.
In the same notion, people talking about announcements of franchises not counting or the games not going to be mainline or late. The PS4s entire catalogue of relevant big third games are cross gen (persona 5, MGS5, DQB, DQH, Tales), vaporware (KH3, FF7:Re) or mid tier new franchises (nier). The only old traditional franchises on PS4 worth anything at this point released is FF15 and lol if that is suppose to be a big deal at this point. It's going to be outsold by fucking Zelda. DQ11 isn't out (And will be on Switch), MHW isn't out. I'm sure I have missed a few but overall I struggle to see how the PS4 has taken over in dominant fashion. We just got to the point where it hasn't had to share games with PS3. The biggest PS4 games were also PS3 games.
Switch has some time to garner some support but the current landscape is not good imo.
If find that funny, because I remember people saying the same thing about the Wii, which was my point.