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TSE: Nintendo is now worth more than Sony Corp (Market Cap)
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Speaking of valuable IP, how much do you reckon the Pokemon IP would fetch on an open market? Hundreds of millions?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Microsoft should now shift their focus to buying Sony now.
I bet it's their pride more than anything that's holding it back
SilverLunar
Member
They have such good phones, I still don't know why they don't sell well.
The company has a whole been very profitable these last couple of years thanks to PS/financing, but there's a couple of floundering divisions though.
Real_Madrid
Member
It's just good news for everyone imo. I think that everyone is glad that Nintendo is doing great (in software, hardware and financially).
Nintendo showed that you can never underestimate them and the power of their franchises. I was really pessimistic about the Switch, but it's good I was wrong.
All the big gaming manufacturers are doing great, even Xbox is very healthy and PS4 makes Sony so much money it's ridiculous.
Nintendo showed that you can never underestimate them and the power of their franchises. I was really pessimistic about the Switch, but it's good I was wrong.
All the big gaming manufacturers are doing great, even Xbox is very healthy and PS4 makes Sony so much money it's ridiculous.
chrisPjelly
Member
Didn't this already happen like several times over the past couple of years?
And Sony's Playstation division isn't video game company enough?
Okay to be fair, their evaluation would probably sky rocket if they sold of their incompetent film and mobile divisions.
And Sony's Playstation division isn't video game company enough?
Okay to be fair, their evaluation would probably sky rocket if they sold of their incompetent film and mobile divisions.
vivftp
Member
Oh I dunno about that tv thing.
http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/engl...ny-posts-threat-samsung-lg-high-end-tv-market
based on this, Nintendo has more money
Jarod McChicken
Member
We had. Sony (or even PlayStation) sales are far bigger than Nintendo. Market cap is not how much you make in terms of sales, operating income or net income.
Posting this again, but in terms of operating income, last fiscal year was 288,7 billion yen for Sony Corp (135,6 billion yen for PlayStation) and 29,3 billion yen for Nintendo.
3DS is the only platform that grew year-over-year last year. They have recently sold over 15 million copies of Pokémon, and there's another coming in November. Not to mention they just announced a new model. There's a lot going on and worth taking into account.
That was when Nintendo were at ¥5T market cap earlier in June from the article I linked.
SilverLunar
Member
They make more than a billion a year from toy licenses, why would they sell the ip for hundreds of millions only?
D.Lo
Member
If Playstation was a separate company the PS3 would have shuttered them. they clawed it back to an estimated net $4-5 billion loss, but early on they were maybe even double that in the red. Same goes for Xbox. Sony/MS being huge companies with deep pockets and borrowing capacity were the only things that enabled them to be around at all.
vivftp
Member
They may not sell amazingly well but they are one of the few smartphone manufacturers turning a profit.
I remember there was a rumor a couple of years ago that Disney was angling to buy their movie division. IDK why Sony hasn't sold it off.
Phew, someone said something that makes sense.
No. Only Pokémon Go did that for Nintendo for one day.
Nintendo's market cap was very low for years after the Wii was over.
Tesla's market cap is higher than GM's as well.
edit:
You get it. Sentiment will push the perceived value of a company higher or lower. And also a company/sector can be undervalued or overvalued.
edit:
You get it. Sentiment will push the perceived value of a company higher or lower. And also a company/sector can be undervalued or overvalued.
Because Spider-man is still a cash cow for them.
Think more in the range of 2-5 billion, if not more. And that's being super conservative.
Yes, Star Wars sold for 2 or so Billion, but looking back on it. That's a crazy cheap sell for Star Wars. And Disney is reaping the benefits in a major way.
Pokemon, as a brand and company would fetch tens of billions of dollars.
Finally, I can't wait to take The Last of Us Part II Switch Edition with me on my train rides!
All jokes aside, the stockmarket is such a weird place and extremely volatile. Well if you bought Nintendo stocks you could totally sell.
gtfo with that scum
I think that's inaccurate. PS4 shipment grew too, from 17.7M for FY2015 to 20M FY2016.
vpance
Member
I think it's basically down to the profit margins, which Sony has a tiny tiny amount compared to all these other publishers, and Nintendo.
Same goes for mobile. You make a hit game with 5 programmers and stock goes through the roof. Sony has none of that hype-ness. Not counting their other divisions, their main source of profit comes from subs and software license fees. Hardware is almost always close to break even. It just pales in comparison to what a traditional pub can pull with a bunch of hit games that rake in loads of cash.
Shin
Banned
Don't know much about market cap and all that, though didn't Sony make more from their network services in one quarter than Nintendo made the whole year?
Yeah they did: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-04-28-sonys-psn-is-making-more-money-than-all-of-nintendo so not sure how or what this all correlates to.
Is it market worth/value or how exactly?
Yeah they did: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-04-28-sonys-psn-is-making-more-money-than-all-of-nintendo so not sure how or what this all correlates to.
Is it market worth/value or how exactly?
Sony makes way way way more money than Nintendo.
Nintendo's stock was in the gutter during the WiiU disaster, but it started shooting up as Nintendo moved into mobile/theme parks/etc. Stuff like that made investors very happy, and the success of the Switch has given them long term confidence.
Sony's stock has been on the rise these last few years as well but I believe their terrible performing film division largely holds back investor confidence.
Billions. Pokemon is one of the biggest IPs in the world.
Think of it like Kickstarter, and that the buyers see value in Nintendo that their Kickstarter is worth as much as Sony's in the money that was raised.
It's not the money Nintendo has made from their operations, it's the money that investors have put into the company.
You should buy Sony stock if you think so strongly about it. You'll make big bucks. I know I saw Nintendo's position and decided to buy a couple of shares and now I'm getting free lunches every day.
I ain't touching Sony stock
Or attach it to anecdotal evidence over the past 30 days or any unsubstantiated forecasts. This was trending Nintendo has been silently putting in work. Switch was just the launch party pun intended.
Shin
Banned
Gotcha.
Speaks volume about the company, especially when Japan's president dresses up as Mario to close the Olympics.
In other words the brand is valued a lot, though from what I read in your first post it seems to fluctuate a lot also (value/market cap).
hodayathink
Member
No, Nintendo has a higher market cap, which is basically just share price times outstanding shares. At best, it basically means investors are more confident about Nintendo showing growth/profit than Sony.
Deeke[VRZ]
Member
Nevermind, I see it now!
Market cap is used as a way to value intangible assets like IPs, future earning potential and stability of your brand operations in the industry they operate in. This number is often used to estimate how much money you would need to pay to buy a company outright.
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