You sure? The fact that you use words and phrases like 'jab' and 'tit for tat' says a lot.
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Sony puts PS4 button prompts over Xbox One X footage of Anthem
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You sure? The fact that you use words and phrases like 'jab' and 'tit for tat' says a lot.
What was it running on? Honest question because people keep saying this so matter of factly but I really want to know if this game is going to support CheckerBoard Rendering on PC like the footage that we're talking about shows.
You'll go on to do greater things, scitek. I believe in you.
Nah, Microsoft wouldn't have issues hiding the Sony prompts, they're good at hiding things.
After that, people would say "hey, this game looks great, even though it's on Xbox"
I'm still not sure. I've read much of it and can't make sense of what points are being made.
With the game this far off, most likely PC. It would be very surprising if they optimised the game for Xbox One X already as the game is still very much in development and will see lots of changes. Also, even when it's a PC build that was shown, that doesn't mean it's the consumer PC build.
Most pre-release footage comes from PC hardware and not the actual console systems, even for exclusive games.
hanspampel
Banned
i really don't know what you want from me at this point
it's proven in this topic, that footage from different (not the own) platforms is regularly used on the YouTube channels from Sony and Microsoft - and that stuff also happens on other occasions
Japanmanx3
Member
I'm not Xbox I'm X▲⬛O..............ok?
To be clear, the platform holders do have guidelines for media submitted to them, and one of those guidelines is about showing platform appropriate button prompts.
Sony and MS are not the ones who would have made this edit.
Turbo Killer
Member
Why is this topic 4 pages? lol
plasmawave
Banned
With proper button prompts. Like, you don't see circle, triangle, square, cross buttons in a trailer on a Nintendo youtube channel. But you think the platform holders are responsible to edit their own version of the trailer.
As i said, most consumers wouldn't care so why should i? I'm not going to get hung up on the fact the xbone trailer for the latest cod is being shown on its youtube page and looks exactly the same as the ps4 channel and were likely created from the same capture source (probably PC). And Horizon on a pro doesn't look discernibly different enough to need any sort of call out stating which version has been captured. It looks fucking fantastic, go buy it. Now, if the pro version had features which the base version didn't and was being used in advertising for both versions, thats a problem. But that isn't how these cross gen versions of games work.
i honestly wouldn't care if all trailers for all third party games were all captured on PC because the PC version doesn't look different enough for it to matter. If pc versions of third party games looked a generation better while the console versions looked like n64 games, then yeah, thats no good. But again, that isn't the reality of games these days...reality is that we are firmly in the "300% zoom to see differences in AA solutions" territory lol.
There's not many other ways I could describe it. I mean if mods don't consider these extremely low quality threads against the rules even though I can technically see how they aren't rule breaking then OP doesn't really get a message, instead he should learn these threads are kind of garbage and I just used his overt Xbox fanboyism against him with facts.
I just feel OP needs to face some consequences for threads like this because they are so poor quality they offer nothing constructive and the very premise is fanboy wars if not by his own admissions and participation in this thread. It's not healthy for a game community to harbor people like him and accept these kinds of standards and quality of discussions.
Kilau
Gold Member
That's so crazy it might just be true! lol
I understand how often games in development are shown on PC, I mean as far as I understand that's how they get developed. I'm just trying to figure out whether or not the PC version will use CB. If it's in the version shown at E3 and that was running on PC, what is the obstacle in keeping the option in for the actual PC release?
Colbert
Banned
I agree but Sony also should not have released that video on its channel. They should have insisted on a proper PS4 game recording from a PS4 Pro or similar spec'ed PC.
onemanasylum
Banned
There goes his narrative.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Maybe you missed it at the bottom of the last page,
First off, you are assuming that there aren't any differences that anyone would notice.
Secondly, you are assuming that no one cares about graphics and having the superior version. This is absolutely not true.
Thirdly, There are those that would at least like to see true difference so that they can decide for themselves what is and isn't enough for them to deal with.
Fourthly, These companies, especially these AAA ones are filthy rich and could definitely afford to make multiple versions of trailers. Even if it is costly now, if they made it a common practice, the method would inevitably become streamlined so that it was easier and less expensive to do.
All of this would only benefit consumers. Even if you personally don't care right now, others don't like being lied to when being sold something.
Like I said before, companies really will push the line if they can. It's not bad to express your want for more honesty in these situations. They have more than enough resources to figure something out.
Also, you have no idea whether consumers would or wouldn't care. Especially because most don't know that this is happening to them. That is what being duped is.
I can't imagine that the majority of consumers would be ok being lied to if they knew about it.
Furthermore, I can't imagine that they wouldn't rather be told the truth.
Are you serious?
Lys Skygge
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It's pointless and a waste of time for the developers. I doubt there is even a PS4 version of this vertical slice of gameplay.
No platform holder has those standards. Media captured is supposed to be indicative of expected preformance, but Sony, MS, and Nintendo don't have the time, energy, or inclination to police the specs of the computers third parties are capturing from, especially for products this far out.
Jeff Freecss
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I know you guys wish it's not running on Xbox One X but Bioware has said multiple times it's running on Xbox One X.
If you don't want to believe Bioware, maybe try to hear Digital Foundry out. They reported it's running on Xbox One X.
If you don't want to believe Bioware, maybe try to hear Digital Foundry out. They reported it's running on Xbox One X.
That's never going to be an industry-wide thing. Ideally all footage on a respective console makers channel would be actual footage from that console but that's not how it works.
Good grief. It's in alpha!
Lots of people here gonna be shocked the next time they compare a Big Mac in restaurant to the image on the menu & in the TV ads.
And Maccas don't even have to put a subtitle on their TV ads saying 'image representative, but final product may vary'.
Maybe - here's a thought - petition to extend caveat subtitling to anything on YT or other streaming services.
And Maccas don't even have to put a subtitle on their TV ads saying 'image representative, but final product may vary'.
Maybe - here's a thought - petition to extend caveat subtitling to anything on YT or other streaming services.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Then they should say what it is indeed running on when advertised for whatever platform.
Who's to say they didn't think it was?
Sony get sent a file from EA called "athem_4k_ps4"
they watch it and see playstation button prompts.
They think "Cool, we'll upload it to our youtube channel"
Normal people are happy
But fuck sony right for not going through the footage frame by frame and realising EA were just pulling a fast one. Lol.
Colbert
Banned
Even they don't hold that standards we as consumers should urge them (the platform holders) to do so. At least in my opinion.
Giftofgab24
Member
This thread is a hot mess.
We all know damn well that this video was edited by EA.
We all know damn well that this video was edited by EA.
Head.spawn
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If you're going to go through the guys search history to try and pull a gotcha, at least learn to read?
" much of this discussion is overblown and exaggerated, just like the animation"
He's literally saying in the post that the animation is exaggerated. Not sure how you read that any differently than it plainly says.
The other guy trying to pull a gotcha with the pro-PS4CrossPlay picture (how is that a bad thing?) and the CBR-roach joke (in a thread with literally 27 jokes/mentions of roaches on the first page)...
You guys are trying too hard.
Obviously I agree. In my post that you quoted I said ideally they'd show the actual footage from the respective console.
To sum up this thread:
Sony bad
Maybe it was EA?
Lol SonyGAF is here
Microsoft does it too
Microsoft got unfair treatment last time, so it's Sony's turn
Lying is standard industry practice, leave Sony alone
Fanboy drivel
More fanboy drivel
I was only pretending to be a fanboy.jpg
This thread is like the gamefaqs of Neogaf.
Sony bad
Maybe it was EA?
Lol SonyGAF is here
Microsoft does it too
Microsoft got unfair treatment last time, so it's Sony's turn
Lying is standard industry practice, leave Sony alone
Fanboy drivel
More fanboy drivel
I was only pretending to be a fanboy.jpg
This thread is like the gamefaqs of Neogaf.
onemanasylum
Banned
A lot of people are, including the OP and people trying to be outraged at Sony. Works both ways bro.
VlaudTheImpaler
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I agree. And like I said, if they can't or won't do that, then they should definitely be transparent about what platform footage is played on when advertised for a different platform. Editing in button prompts is absolutely deceptive and false advertising.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Come to the thread expect some kind of console warz.... yup
Its 100% running on a PC. Early footage on multiplats are almost always doing so. Shit would not be that optimised for consoles so early.
Then you dont know how game dev works.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
I was going fast lol. Noted.
Colbert
Banned
Or at least that. But I doubt any platform holder would like that idea .... LOL
gaming_noob
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I feel stressed reading the game side these days. Must be getting too old for console wars.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Yeah, I'm thinking about the consumer here lol. I know.
Exploratory
Banned
Been on GAF for years and any rational objective forum goer knows if this were Xbox doing this the responses in here would be completely different. We see it in thread after thread and people acting like that's not the case are either lying or ignorant. Thems the breaks.
Edit: And I feel its ridiculous that I have to qualify that statement with any sort of credentials but I don't even own an Xbox and I primarily play on PS4. What console people play on doesn't change obvious facts go jump into any negative thread about one of those two console manufacturers.
Edit: And I feel its ridiculous that I have to qualify that statement with any sort of credentials but I don't even own an Xbox and I primarily play on PS4. What console people play on doesn't change obvious facts go jump into any negative thread about one of those two console manufacturers.
Lys Skygge
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This thread is bringing out a lot of warriors.
If this was a first party game running on a PC, then yes, I can see it as deceiving. But seeing that this is a multi-platform game, it's going to look/play very similarly to one another.
If this was a first party game running on a PC, then yes, I can see it as deceiving. But seeing that this is a multi-platform game, it's going to look/play very similarly to one another.
hanspampel
Banned
Yeah so it's the Publisher doing it for the Platform Holder, because they demand it and have a policy in place.
I can admit that i was wrong about who is doing that work in general / most cases
But still Bioware or EA does it only because the have to.
They sure as hell don't like to do multiple trailers and this obscuration for fun.
And they would just like to have their one trailer up on every channel, because their game is Multiplatform anyway
This is a pretty good and accurate summary of this topic.
I did my part, what about you?
Kilau
Gold Member
You missed the point, he down played that misleading ad as just illustrating the 40% difference.
That could be hand waived as an exaggeration but this button prompt thing is a huge deal.
Again, I'm just trying to see how feasible it would be to leave the CB Rendering in the PC version if it was running on PC. I don't own an Xbox and dont care if it's running on Xbox or not. I'm just selfishly trying to see if I can expect CBR on the PC version.
Lol don't sweat it. ✌
Colbert
Banned
I wouldn't hold my breath!
InsaneTiger
Member
Instead of icons they could just put generic text
"button prompt goes here"
"button prompt goes here"
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Is anyone actually outraged here? I don't think thats the case. I think there are a bunch of people that find it funny and a good amount of people maybe taking it personally and pushing nothingtoseehere.jpg a bit too hard.
I'm just going by the post you quoted, he is literally agreeing that the "animation" is "exaggerated". If you're referring to another post, it's not what you posted.
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