Peroroncino
Member
I could understand them being afraid of risking their lives, especially if say, they can't swim, but recording it, taunting and laughing? Nu-uh, fuck that, I hope they get some sort of comeuppance for this, fucking monsters.
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Florida teens who recorded drowning man will not be charged in his death
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StarPlatinumTheWorld
Member
At least one of those kids will grow up and murder someone, I guarantee it.
CrackPebbles
Member
What the fuck is wrong with these kids.
N° 2048
Member
I hope these scum never fucking reproduce, ever.
Keep these evil little shits out of the gene pool.
WTF? No denial of assistance law in Florida?! Incredible.
Im so fucking sick of gazers (them getting in the way of police and emergency doctors after accidents is sadly a common thing in Germany as well) but taping and laughing at a man drowning is some next level shit. I hope karma gets them at some point in life.
Im so fucking sick of gazers (them getting in the way of police and emergency doctors after accidents is sadly a common thing in Germany as well) but taping and laughing at a man drowning is some next level shit. I hope karma gets them at some point in life.
CadetMahoney
Member
I could fathom these things getting on some beaheading and car crash site, because that's where they usually are found, but "I'll upload it to social media" is a head scratcher.
DreadfulOmen
Member
yea it's fucken dumb. They didn't have to jump in and help, but at least use your phone to call 911 instead of mocking him and recording it.
Walter White Walker
Member
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/florida-teens-drowning-man/index.html
Not near enough but at least they could be charged with something.
Not near enough but at least they could be charged with something.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Holy shit that was disturbing.
SirMossyBloke
Member
According to Reddit one if the teens was saying how fucked up all this was during it. I guess peer pressure stopped him helping.
Fucking horrible.
Fucking horrible.
djplaeskool
Member
Sheesh. Had to fish for a misdemeanor on a technicality.
ClayKavalier
Banned
Because refusing to help someone drowning right in front of you and being unable to convince someone not to commit suicide over the internet are very different situations.
If this needs to be explained to you you should strongly, strongly consider increasing the amount of time you spend interacting with people face to face.
TheVampire
Banned
A drowning man will always drag somebody down with him.
SporeCrawler
Member
interesting that there is no law for this. in germany there is a law that obliges you to help, if you are not put in danger yourself by helping (so at least you have to call the police or something). it basically stems from the good samaritan law in the bible. its all the more strange as the US is so christian.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I don't think so.
While this is reprehensible behaviour, laws mandating assistance are wholly ineffective and possibly counterproductive. Such laws exist in France, Germany and in three of the US States (the other seven US states mentioned further up the thread have much narrower versions of the law).
There's a really powerful article in the Texas Law Review of 2006 that goes into the empirical evidence for this (covering number of prosecutions, number of potential prosecutions, and actual rescues compared across states with and without these laws). Haven't been able to dig it up online, but the full citation is:
Hyman, D. A. (2006). Rescue without law: An empirical perspective on the duty to rescue. Texas Law Review, 84(3), 653-737.
Well worth a read.
jts
...hate me...
Saw the video and the man's cry for help is hauting. At the same time he was far as hell from the shore and trying to save him without any floating equipment would be a huge risk. Over here when summer comes we always hear about people drowning trying to save others.
It's no excuse for laughing at a man dying, giving him that kind of suffering in his last moments, and failing to call 911. It should warrant a punishment.
It's no excuse for laughing at a man dying, giving him that kind of suffering in his last moments, and failing to call 911. It should warrant a punishment.
AdventureRacing
Member
I can understand not helping even if I would, there is a risk involved trying to help a drowning man (though calling for help or an ambulance isn't a risk at all).
I feel like what they should be charged with is filming a man die and taunting him whilst it happened. I'm assuming there is no law in place for that but there should be.
I feel like what they should be charged with is filming a man die and taunting him whilst it happened. I'm assuming there is no law in place for that but there should be.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
No excuse for laughing at a man in mortal danger. Even if you can't help him, call 911.
SporeCrawler
Member
interesting. i always love empirical studies on legal institutes like this. found a pdf version too for anyone who is interested.
What would have been "counterpriductive" about calling 911? That's something which usually clears you of any guilt of such laws, especially in an unsafe situation like this.
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Subhuman.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a law mandating rescue attempts would likely be counterproductive. For example:
Hyman(2006) said:
Welcome to the millenial generation. Or whatever comes after that. These kids are soulless idiots IMO. A generalization I find to be fair so far. I might be proven wrong.
It's not about saving him. It's about their reactions. The victim does look a bit off the normal end though. Not sure what is going on in his life.
Maybe the kids were just being silly and didn't understand totally what things meant at the time.
It's not about saving him. It's about their reactions. The victim does look a bit off the normal end though. Not sure what is going on in his life.
Maybe the kids were just being silly and didn't understand totally what things meant at the time.
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
Exactly. And if the man that drowned was my father or someone in my family those kids better have 911 on speed dial from now on.
Tevious
Member
Not to make light of the situation since the actions of these teens truly are reprehensible, but when I lived in Florida, I remember these were the actual signs posted along beaches. Makes me wonder if they've ever changed them after "lol" became a thing on the internet. If one of those signs were present, I could see it encouraging some asshole teens to make a joke out of the situation.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
But these laws wouldn't come into effect in that example.
A Link to the Past
Banned
This is silly. There have been horrible people for a long damn time. There are people alive who participated smiling from ear to ear in lynchings.
I am kind of conflicted on this as I don't think people should be obligated by law to help someone else even if they are dying unless it is their job (such as public service). Only reason why I am conflicted on it is because I do agree with mandatory reports on crimes one has witnessed or face the consequences.
I think reporting a crime is somewhat different than being obligated to save someone.
This did not start nor will it end with the millennial generation. It is not hard to look back in the past to see examples of this throughout U.S history. Many people back then and now do not report things that would of saved a person and they full on knew it for whatever reason they had.
I think reporting a crime is somewhat different than being obligated to save someone.
This did not start nor will it end with the millennial generation. It is not hard to look back in the past to see examples of this throughout U.S history. Many people back then and now do not report things that would of saved a person and they full on knew it for whatever reason they had.
SolarMystic
Member
"no remorse"?
These are a bunch of literal psychopaths. They belong in court mandated therapy and their home lives should be investigated.
Shit, these kids are not even human. They lack the empathetic nerve centers in their brain. I guarantee at least one of these kids will grow up to be a killer, without a doubt. Probably worse. None of them will be what any average person would describe as "normal".
Edit: Fuck it. Humanity was a mistake. Throw these worthless bags of human waste into shark infested waters.
Edit 2: Jesus, angry sarcasm much guys?
These are a bunch of literal psychopaths. They belong in court mandated therapy and their home lives should be investigated.
Shit, these kids are not even human. They lack the empathetic nerve centers in their brain. I guarantee at least one of these kids will grow up to be a killer, without a doubt. Probably worse. None of them will be what any average person would describe as "normal".
Edit: Fuck it. Humanity was a mistake. Throw these worthless bags of human waste into shark infested waters.
Edit 2: Jesus, angry sarcasm much guys?
Any Questions
Member
Their actions are morally reprehensible. However I hope they are in a minority and that most folks would of called for help.
I highly doubt it is statistically high for it to be counterproductive. The main thing I see happening a lot is someone begs you for money and you give it to them to get them to leave you alone.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
I can see these being the same little shits that behave terribly on Twitter, YouTube et al.
Bounceounce
Member
This is complete nonsense.
Imagine lecturing people as to empathy and psychopathy, and then having your lecture degrade into torturous fantasies and callous/innacurate remarks on the humanity of those kids.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Can't lawmakers come with a law and retroactively punish them?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Have to imagine they thought they'd post the video on youtube for the hits.
If you call 911 at least in the european versions of those laws you have pretty much done what you need to.
These laws are in place so you don't walk by someone that's collapsed in the street and think it's someone elses business to look for help (there was such a conviction recently, in Switzerland).
It's not meant for you to jump into a fire to rescue someone.
The_White_Rose
Member
No Ex Post Facto laws are unconstitutional
Some strawman arguments in this thread.
No one expects them (or anyone) to jump in and save the guy. However what they absolutely should have done is call the emergency services. It's not like they didn't have a phone, they were just too busy trying to get a video instead.
The fact that they are laughing and taunting the man is beyond sick.
No one expects them (or anyone) to jump in and save the guy. However what they absolutely should have done is call the emergency services. It's not like they didn't have a phone, they were just too busy trying to get a video instead.
The fact that they are laughing and taunting the man is beyond sick.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
These kids are pretty disgusting it seems. Laughing and taunting. Wtf. You don't have to jump in, but call 911.
Look at regular shrink over here