When board games start cutting content out of their base package, reship it to you for an extra cost, and only ship an amount that will surely not keep up with demand, then your point may be worth something.
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Nintendo confirms Metroid: Samus Returns Fusion mode can only be unlocked by amiibo
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royox
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Since when difficulty modes became "extra features"? LoL. I thought that "Nintendo defense force" thing was just a meme but my gosh guys stop defending the undefendable.
Locking a difficulty mode behind a paywall is bad. Making this paywall to be a physical toy that's almost impossible to find and most users can't even use because they have an original 3ds/xl makes it even worse.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
They do that on Kickstarter a lot. It's one of the main gripes the DT crew has with the board gaming scene right now. The difference is they aren't losing their shit over it.
calc84maniac
Member
The only thing I'm defending is my decision to buy the game. I had forgotten that difficulty options were even a thing in previous Metroid titles.
Ninja Scooter
Member
This is a message board. Who is "losing their shit", as opposed to just having "gripes"? Are you somehow the arbiter of people's level of anger based on Internet posts?
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Yeah there are plenty of board/card games with extra content, even expansions and different tiers and everything else gaming has.
This isn't kickstarter. This is a huge company with fucktons of money pushing a practice that people are concerned will lead to a precedent. Trying to come into this thread with "well my friends don't care and can just move on and so should you" is such a ridiculous line of thinking. I also would say, the majority of people, are having calm conversations and not "losing their shit".
Again, this is not the same thing as whats being done here. All of those can be purchased easily because their shipments meet the demand.Nekketsu Kõha;244973851 said:
Then go on social media and tell them why you are boycotting it. Otherwise they will assume it's because you aren't interested in metroid.
I'm with you, not a chance in hell am I buying the game. Or any Amiibo.
No one needs to do Nintendo's job for them.
Okay, but they said "the only language they understand". Nintendo's job isn't to go on gaf and read every thread.
Night Angel
Member
It is if they want to learn why people didn't respond to their product. It's not the consumer's job to explain exactly why they didn't like thing. Good businesses do research.
Telling Nintendo things is pretty useless without a financial impact. Just look at voice chat on the Switch; they were told repeatedly by press and fans that a phone "solution" was idiotic, but they still did it.
It's their job to make games that people want to play. Nobody owes them an explanation for not wanting to buy their stuff. Stop being so ridiculous.
You can do both. If you boycott, it would help a lot to spam them on social media.
Nintendo responded to federation force hate months before the game was even out, and that was due to the trailer getting 100k dislikes, thousands of horrible comments, social media responses, ign, kotaku, etc reporting on it.
Quadraphonic
Member
Nekketsu Kõha;244973851 said:
Except many games, like a lot of the IDW ones, have exclusive characters or sets you can ONLY get if you get the $200+ sets and you can never get them later. So if you missed that chance, you're out of luck.
pretty done
Member
Oh shit, they're not mandated or anything. That makes it ok to charge $14 for hard mode.
What a scholar.
milkham
Member
lol there's one guy in this thread with over 130 posts, who's losing their shit?
Oh, solid pivot to "outrage culture" (e.g., people who disagree with me). People should absolutely throw the maximum amount of shit at Nintendo for taking a standard game feature, stuffing it into a microtransaction, and then shoving that microtransaction into a shitty little figure.
Amiibos are one of the worst things in the industry. It's all of the downsides of both DLC and physical retail crammed into a single nexus of shit with Nintendo's patented charm (nonsensical under-manufacturing and woeful distribution).
And people paid top dollar for hard mode in BotW.
We don't know the extent of the content behind the pay wall.
If it similar to hardmode in previous Sakamoto directed Metroid game you won't be missing much. You may even end up with the superior product.
Yeah and 3DS games are easily pirated too, it's cheaper that way after all.
Having more modes and options never makes something an inferior product.
Tell that to Metroid Other M.
If the game is shit to play you won't want to come back that's for sure.
If the mode is woefully pointless and worthless, it's actually better to have that content cut to begin with.
More is not always better.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
I am judging Amiibo for what it is and at retail price it beats everything else for me.
Nintendo and their supply issues sucks. No excuse.
Also the sensible choice would be not to buy the amiibo if it bothers a person but buy the game if they like it.
DLC train left the station decade ago. Season passes, day 1 dlc, different priced tiers on the same game for exclusive day 1 dlc and map packs list goes on and now they are all loaded with microtransactions for gambling mechanics preying on addiction for years already.
But Nintendo made a cheap toy with little content that doesn't hurt you if you miss out on it. It has value if you want to sell it and you can, it works sometimes for several games going forward and no one knows what this hard mode is and what the game has.
Nintendo is going to do something for that extra cash they have to and I'd rather they do this then do what the competition is doing by a mile. Same for the mobile gaming. Neither is perfect and for amiibo supply issue is a real problem.
Not trying to attack anyone that complain about this, just saying. Personally I would buy the amiibo and the game. But nobody has to get the amiibo. There are games with seasons passes and extra exclusive dlc but I don't always run to gamestop just for that or pay extra or even bother with a season pass or map packs while still enjoying the game at normal price.
If you love this game and refuse to buy it simply because of amiibo then I would call that an extreme reaction. At the very least wait to see when it release and then decide.
I am 100% fine with cosmetic stuff being locked behind Amiibos, and Amibos in general. My kids love them, and there has to be some kind of game interaction for them to be something other than simple figurines.
It does change things when entire modes are now DLC tied to physical Amiboo characters, especially seeing how the availability of certain Amiibos still remains an issue. Personally, I feel sad that Nintendo are going down the path of mico-transactions at all, rather than they're going about them in a very Nintendo-esque way and tying it to Amiibo toys.
With Metroid specifically, extra content and modes tied to physical hardware is nothing new. There was content (cosmetic and entire game modes) in Metroid Prime and Fusion only unlockable if you had both games and a GBA connection cable. Fusion suit in Prime, and the entire Metroid 1 NES game in Fusion. So you can look to that and point the finger as to why Nintendo are going down the same path with the 3DS game.
It does change things when entire modes are now DLC tied to physical Amiboo characters, especially seeing how the availability of certain Amiibos still remains an issue. Personally, I feel sad that Nintendo are going down the path of mico-transactions at all, rather than they're going about them in a very Nintendo-esque way and tying it to Amiibo toys.
With Metroid specifically, extra content and modes tied to physical hardware is nothing new. There was content (cosmetic and entire game modes) in Metroid Prime and Fusion only unlockable if you had both games and a GBA connection cable. Fusion suit in Prime, and the entire Metroid 1 NES game in Fusion. So you can look to that and point the finger as to why Nintendo are going down the same path with the 3DS game.
I've never played Metroid Other M, so I don't know what you mean.
My point is having more options doesn't detract from any game at all. If mode A is the default and it's amazing, having an optional mode B that is poorly received doesn't detract the slightest from mode A.
Quadraphonic
Member
Nekketsu Kõha;244975198 said:
That is the literal entire point of this conversation. DLC doesn't have supply issues, by design. These are going to be hard to find BECAUSE there is a physical limitation to them.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Trust me the materials used are not that scarce and that DLC will survive longer than shut down servers in the end.
Nintendo supply issues is them not making enough you are right that is a problem, something I do not excuse. But that doesn't mean if I find one at retail at that I will refuse to buy it. If I couldn't get one and I liked the game then I would buy the game and that's that.
Asking them to manufacture more amiibos might end up being more worthwhile and something they are more likely to listen to especially if their investors hear a lot about it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Why wouldnt it be? They have people paid to AstroTurf/gauge consumers interest just as much as their competition
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IbukiLordSA
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AusRoachman
Member
Fuck toys to life shit , and screw Nintendo for following the dollars .
Seems like this will be a trend that will eventually make its way to the switch .
Seems like this will be a trend that will eventually make its way to the switch .
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Damn first the defense over the dumb switch party chat app and now this. Some Nintendo fans will quite literally defend anything and everything. Disgusting.
TheSpoiler
Member
Nekketsu Kõha;244975198 said:
Good ol' whattaboutism.
psychowave
Member
I feel like people who think the problem is the scarce amiibo supply are completely missing the point. You shouldn't have to buy a $15 toy to unlock hard mode. You shouldn't have to pay for hard mode at all.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Old 3DS can use amiibo too. https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0112S4888/
The fusion mode locked behind an amiibo is a strange decision. Should be available as DLC too. Fusion mode can only be unlocked after the first playthrough, so some business people at Nintendo probably thought its not good business to spend extra development time for a feature that only 1% use.
If this angers some than write Nintendo about it. To put your anger in this thread helps nobody. Boycotting the game, sends only the signal "not want Metroid".
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
So people are already angry at having to spend money on hard mode and you're telling them to spend more. Ok then
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Because everything should be free?
Hard modes are a feature that only a tiny fraction of gamers even consider to use, depends on how much development time has been spend on extra modes its a good business decision to want some extra money for that. But the company should ensure that people are able to pay for that, a rare amiibo as only way to unlock is probably not the best decision.
TheSpoiler
Member
People can do both. And it's fair for people to discuss this on a video game message board. Don't know why dudes always try to end the discussion so fast.
Because everything should be free?
Hard modes are a feature that only a tiny fraction of gamers even consider to use, depends on how much development time has been spend on extra modes its a good business decision to want some extra money for that. But the company should ensure that people are able to pay for that, a rare amiibo as only way to unlock is probably not the best decision.
Basic features like Hard Mode, that have been included in previous games (including the last 2D game, Zero Mission), should remain free, yes.
The question one should ask is, "If Amiibo would not exist, would this feature be in the game by default?"
We cannot say for certain, but considering the previous games, the answer is most likely "Yes"
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Be calm, at take a deep breath.
I only kindly gave the information that it is possible to use amiibo on old 3DS, some seem unaware of it.Immaculate
Banned
Because everything should be free?
Hard modes are a feature that only a tiny fraction of gamers even consider to use, depends on how much development time has been spend on extra modes its a good business decision to want some extra money for that. But the company should ensure that people are able to pay for that, a rare amiibo as only way to unlock is probably not the best decision.
bruh hard mode has been free in every previous metroid dont defend this lmao
Because everything should be free?
Hard modes are a feature that only a tiny fraction of gamers even consider to use, depends on how much development time has been spend on extra modes its a good business decision to want some extra money for that. But the company should ensure that people are able to pay for that, a rare amiibo as only way to unlock is probably not the best decision.
Are you drinking kratos energy drink or nintendo cool aid?
Because everything should be free?
Hard modes are a feature that only a tiny fraction of gamers even consider to use, depends on how much development time has been spend on extra modes its a good business decision to want some extra money for that. But the company should ensure that people are able to pay for that, a rare amiibo as only way to unlock is probably not the best decision.
I know, right? I don't know why people complained about horse armour, it's as if the dev didn't have to spend time making those armours. Artists don't work for free, yo. [/s]
Free market and all, so we will see, I guess. Personally, I'm against taking out a game mode to be sold separately, them being on Amiibo only made it worse.
However, them tying a game mode to a hard-to-find toy that people may be buying for collection's sake might make the numbers misleading when trying to tell whether we, the entire gamer community, want every mode strips out to be sold to us because shits ain't free or entitled generation or something.
Not only what, it's a paywall that will probably cost more to someone due to their rarity. How stupid is that.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
I was really being fair, just presenting a realistic view on the topic.