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[perfectchaos007]

That Amiibo is going to be very sought after. How fast will I have to be to buy one off Amazon when they can be preordered? When I inevitably don't preorder the Amiibo due to bots being faster than me, what should I expect to pay to buy one off a scalper? $100? $200? $300?

I'm not becoming a big fan of this Amiibo DLC. Its much easier to just micro transaction digitally but Nintendo wants to make it more complicated and expensive

 

[CambriaRising]

ITT people are just now realizing that Amiibo were always envisioned as limited quantity DLC tokens.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of "Fusion Mode" being a Hard Mode, when Fusion is the easiest game in the series. For all we know, it could just be a Fusion Suit and more hand holding. Has Nintendo even gone on record to specifically say it's a "Hard Mode"?

 

[InvincibleFist]

Doesn't change anything. Locking game modes behind day 1 physical DLC is still incredibly scummy, whether there's an additional free hard mode or not.

There's nothing wrong with feeling that way, but most of the anger and spectacle in this particular thread is based on the assumption that the game's hard mode requires the metroid amiibo to unlock, judging from frequent statements like "the hard mode locked behind an amiibo is pretty bad." Fusion mode may or may not be a replacement for the traditional Hard mode, but this certainly hasn't been announced. It may also be little more than a cosmetic change for an already available Hard mode. Your guess is as good as anybody's. A 30-something page thread of preorder-canceling, boycott-threatening and other raging based on an assumption just seems odd to me. Then again, I'm not interested in either buying the game or seeing it fail, so what do I know?

 

[VDenter]

What if fusion is an "extra hard mode' and there is a regular hard mode in the game already? Then it would be pretty comparable.

If that happens to be the case it would be great and i would gladly buy the game. If the thing can be used once per day and it only gives enemies a damage buff or something like that then fine. But since that seems pretty unlikely since you are required to beat the game and Nintendo is not really known for developing two separate hard difficulty settings for one game i see no reason why i should remain hopeful.

I remember there being a pretty similar conversation when the DLC was announced for Breath of the Wild. There were people quick to jump to defend it since they were assuming that the DLC hard mode in Breath of the Wild would be a different one from the one you would supposedly get in the base game for free. This did not end up being the case. Granted the DLC in Breath of the Wild while not being something i am personally interested in until at least the second pack comes out still seems to be a much better deal and offers much more value than this amiibo crap with the remake does.

 

[yuoke]

There's nothing wrong with feeling that way, but most of the anger and spectacle in this particular thread is based on the assumption that the game's hard mode requires the metroid amiibo to unlock, judging from frequent statements like "the hard mode locked behind an amiibo is pretty bad." Fusion mode may or may not be a replacement for the traditional Hard mode, but this certainly hasn't been announced. It may also be little more than a cosmetic change for an already available Hard mode. Your guess is as good as anybody's. A 30-something page thread of preorder-canceling, boycott-threatening and other raging based on an assumption just seems odd to me. Then again, I'm not interested in either buying the game or seeing it fail, so what do I know?

Then it still all goes back on nintendo for not clarifying something that should have been said back at e3. Instead they didn't say at all what the amiibos did there, and still won't say officially about that or if a hard mode exists without amiibos just over a month from launch.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of "Fusion Mode" being a Hard Mode, when Fusion is the easiest game in the series. For all we know, it could just be a Fusion Suit and more hand holding. Has Nintendo even gone on record to specifically say it's a "Hard Mode"?

The boss damage balance alone makes this untrue.

 

[RootCause]

ITT people are just now realizing that Amiibo were always envisioned as limited quantity DLC tokens.

Amiibo were a mistake. It wouldn't be so annoying if the content was available for purchase from the store.

 

[yuoke]

The boss damage balance alone makes this untrue.

The bosses as a whole were really not hard. Ridley in super metroid is honestly harder than any boss in fusion.

Then getting into the factor of fusion obviously handholding you, where as zero mission to an extent only does a little, and super doesn't at all.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

The boss damage balance alone makes this untrue.

Then perhaps my memory is just failing me? I could have sworn it was the easiest out of all the 2D games.

 

[Symbiotx]

Stupid. And they wonder why people are resorting to Amiibo hacks.

 

[Astral Dog]

Fuck you Nintendo

Spoiler

im not gonna buy Amiibo but Metroid yes

 

[yuoke]

Stupid. And they wonder why people are resorting to Amiibo hacks.

Do they really wonder that with amiibos all still selling out day 1?

 

[xmajinjoshx]

I wonder if anyone here who praises Prime remembers how they had to unlock the Fusion Suit, special art gallery and NES Metroid on the original GameCube version.

 

[Vena]

The boss damage balance alone makes this untrue.

All Metroid bosses deal a lot of damage, Fusion was easy because it was highly linearized as an entry with ADAM providing direction, and it was easy to navigate and enemies in general littered health/ammo.

Even then, I don't really consider the bosses to be all that difficult in general as most of their heavy damage was behind extremely obvious telegraphing.

 

[Renegade Frost]

well that's kinda bullshit.


I remember when these things were free bonuses, before the era of DLC.

Fighting games used to be chock full of these types of goodies, now they get sold as DLC

 

[Seik]

Fuck toys to life shit , and screw Nintendo for following the dollars .

Seems like this will be a trend that will eventually make its way to the switch .

It's been like that since other Amiibo than the Smash ones came out, honestly.

-Challenges locked to three different Amiibo in the first Splatoon

-Fire Emblem characters (Marth/lucina/Roy/Robin) locked to Smash Amiibo in Code Name S.T.E.A.M.

-Mario Party 10 has an entire mode locked behind Amiibo.

-Epona and all the retro-Zelda gear in BOTW are all locked behind Amiibo.

Etc.

To be honest, I'm surprised that the uprising against Amiibo seems louder on Metroid, of all franchises. To me, all of the above are pissing-off material.

 

[VDenter]

I wonder if anyone here who praises Prime remembers how they had to unlock the Fusion Suit, special art gallery and NES Metroid on the original GameCube version.

It was bad but the Fusion suit did not impact the game at all it was purely cosmetic.

 

[yuoke]

It's been like that since other Amiibo than the Smash ones came out, honestly.

-Locked Challenges locked to three different Amiibo in the first Splatoon

-Fire Emblem characters (Marth/lucina/Roy/Robin) locked to Smash Amiibo in Project S.T.E.A.M.

-Mario Party 10 has an entire mode locked behind Amiibo.

-Epona and all the retro-Zelda gear in BOTW are all locked behind Amiibo.

Etc.

To be honest, I'm surprised that the uprising against Amiibo seems louder on Metroid, of all franchises.

As someone else said way earlier, it's just zelda is more popular so people handwaved it.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

It was bad but the Fusion suit did not impact the game at all it was purely cosmetic.

Imagine if this ends up being the same. 🤔

 

[Mael]

It's been like that since other Amiibo than the Smash ones came out, honestly.

-Challenges locked to three different Amiibo in the first Splatoon

-Fire Emblem characters (Marth/lucina/Roy/Robin) locked to Smash Amiibo in Code Name S.T.E.A.M.

-Mario Party 10 has an entire mode locked behind Amiibo.

-Epona and all the retro-Zelda gear in BOTW are all locked behind Amiibo.

Etc.

To be honest, I'm surprised that the uprising against Amiibo seems louder on Metroid, of all franchises. To me, all of the above are pissing-off material.

MP10 mode would be unplayable without the amiibos, they are the dice.
It's probably the deepest intergration we have seen from Nintendo.
People don't care because it's Mario party but the whole point is to make the game a board game.

 

[VDenter]

Imagine if this ends up being the same. 🤔

Oh that would be fantastic but extremely unlikely.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

Oh that would be fantastic but extremely unlikely.

Do you consider Fusion to be the hardest of the 2D games then?

 

[VDenter]

Do you consider Fusion to be the hardest of the 2D games then?

No but i do find it the most boring of the 2D games.

 

[Sephzilla]

The future of DLC

 

[deviant1]

Amiibo seem like the scummiest form of DLC/microtransactions. I have zero desire to buy Nintendo figures and not offering this "content" digitally means I'll pick this game up used a few months after release.

 

[Tyraniboah]

I wonder if anyone here who praises Prime remembers how they had to unlock the Fusion Suit, special art gallery and NES Metroid on the original GameCube version.

Fusion Suit and the art gallery didn't impact the game at all. NES Metroid could be considered bad, but it was pretty clear from that start that it was "buy these two *complete* games and get the original unlocked for free". That's three Metroid games. It's really comparing apples to oranges in that this is a difficulty mode getting locked behind a toy that is notorious for selling out in days. The backlash would assuredly be much quieter had there been other means available to unlock it.

 

[Maxrunner]

Both amiibo are very nice though and I will buy them, but yeah it's stupid.

 

[Seik]

MP10 mode would be unplayable without the amiibos, they are the dice.
It's probably the deepest intergration we have seen from Nintendo.
People don't care because it's Mario party but the whole point is to make the game a board game.

I know, I have the game, I mean, it wouldn't take much effort to transfer the Amiibo signal for a button press....right?

 

[Toxi]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of "Fusion Mode" being a Hard Mode, when Fusion is the easiest game in the series. For all we know, it could just be a Fusion Suit and more hand holding. Has Nintendo even gone on record to specifically say it's a "Hard Mode"?

You take a lot more damage in Fusion than you do in the other games. Normal enemies often hit you for half an energy tank. Bosses often hit you for an entire energy tank.

All Metroid bosses deal a lot of damage,

Yakuza, the spider boss in Fusion, takes off 2-3 energy tanks in one attack.

Fusion has the highest boss damage by far in the series.

 

[TheSpoiler]

The future of DLC

Like don't get me wrong, I don't mind DLC. But it has to be done right tbh.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

No but i do find it the most boring of the 2D games.

While I enjoy Fusion, and would love to eventually get a proper Metroid 5, I agree. So why would you or anyone else here consider this to be a "Hard Mode", when it's the easiest of the 2D games, and Nintendo has called it nothing more than "Fusion Mode"? It's going to be hilarious seeing everyone eating crow, if "Fusion Mode" ends up being nothing more than un-cannonical cosmetics. Just like it was in Prime.

 

[Mael]

I know, I have the game, I mean, it wouldn't take much effort to transfer the Amiibo signal for a button press....right?

But then you're playing the game like a video and not like a board game which is missing the point.
If you want button press, the rest of the game is just that.

 

[stargateheaven]

It's getting like Amiibos are physical DLC. At least they are nice figures i guess.

 

[Mael]

Amiibo seem like the scummiest form of DLC/microtransactions. I have zero desire to buy Nintendo figures and not offering this "content" digitally means I'll pick this game up used a few months after release.

You say that when loot boxes that works like you're in Vegas are a thing.
At least amiibos makes DLC resellable.

 

[VDenter]

While I enjoy Fusion, and would love to eventually get a proper Metroid 5, I agree. So why would you or anyone else here consider this to be a "Hard Mode", when it's the easiest of the 2D games, and Nintendo has called it nothing more than "Fusion Mode"? It's going to be hilarious seeing everyone eating crow, if "Fusion Mode" ends up being nothing more than un-cannonical cosmetics. Just like it was in Prime.

Because if it was just a costume they would have clarified it as such and Nintendo has never made two separate hard difficulty modes for the same game.

Trust me i would be happy if i turn out to be wrong, then i can buy the game as soon as possible. As it is now i would either have to buy it used or skip it entirely. If it is as bad as i think it is the whole notion just kind of disgusts me and supporting such games would mean that this kind of stuff will only get worse in the future.

 

[Giftofgab24]

Who? Lol just gonna ignore you now.

Edit; ignore list ftw.

Nah he's right. As someone that's completely objective to this....you're clearly being quite a bit more emotional than any of those responding to you. If you're gonna buy the game, great! If you don't see a problem with the DLC model....great! The majority of us do see an issue with it though. I would personally say that locking DLC behind a physical item that's in limited supply is much worse than retailer pre order bonuses or paid DLC or even loot boxes. I'm the most popular games loot boxes are cosmetic. There's no gameplay mode locked in a chance based loot box.

 

[deviant1]

You say that when loot boxes that works like you're in Vegas are a thing.
At least amiibos makes DLC resellable.

OK, so Amiibo are not the scummiest, but still pretty fucking awful.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Who? Lol just gonna ignore you now.

Edit; ignore list ftw.

Seems like you're the one throwing a tantrum TBH, reading this whole conversation link.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

You say that when loot boxes that works like you're in Vegas are a thing.
At least amiibos makes DLC resellable.

Some people really hate toys I guess lol

Edit; I can feeeeel your anger!!

 

[HardRojo]

We're at page 33 and I see some people still defending locking a hard mode on day one behind amiibo. Wow...

Some people really hate toys I guess lol

Edit; I can feeeeel your anger!!

Read the whole exchange and TheSpoiler is right, you're projecting a little here. Shit like this will never not be acceptable on day one.

 

[Sober6809]

i have the metroid amiibo, so im good

 

[Mael]

OK, so Amiibo are not the scummiest, but still pretty fucking awful.

I don't know, if you know someone with amiibos they can unlock stuffs for you so if you know someone who have them you can even get it for free.
If they were as available as regular games no one would have a problem with them.
Heck the fact that I can resell everything while keeping the unlocks is pretty good.

Some people really hate toys I guess lol

Edit; I can feeeeel your anger!!

Meh.
At least they're not randomizing a reward while asking for ever more money.
It could actually be worse, like way worse.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

I don't know, if you know someone with amiibos they can unlock stuffs for you so if you know someone who have them you can even get it for free.
If they were as available as regular games no one would have a problem with them.
Heck the fact that I can resell everything while keeping the unlocks is pretty good.



Meh.
At least they're not randomizing a reward while asking for ever more money.
It could actually be worse, like way worse.

Way worse indeed and has been for a decade and it keeps getting worse as we speak with more developers now realizing that whales earn them more money than season passes.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

Because if it was just a costume they would have clarified it as such and Nintendo has never made two separate hard difficulty modes for the same game.

Trust me i would be happy if i turn out to be wrong, then i can buy the game as soon as possible. As it is now i would either have to buy it used or skip it entirely. If it is as bad as i think it is the whole notion just kind of disgusts me and supporting such games would mean that this kind of stuff will only get worse in the future.

So why would they start with two separate hard modes now? And with their "least popular" IP, with the highest demand to return no less. I'm willing to bet everyone is getting upset over nothing, that the game will have a hard mode, and that Fusion Mode will do nothing more than add cosmetics. Maybe give you the ability to grab ledges. Which is the only 2D game that did that.

 

[Night Angel]

^I'd like to know what's giving you that confidence. All messaging points to the opposite.

Some people really hate toys I guess lol

Edit; I can feeeeel your anger!!

Yeah, are you 12? You're the only one throwing a tantrum in this thread.

Also reducing the issue to a hatred of toys is disingenuous and proves you're here with an agenda to defend Nintendo regardless of the opposition's view. Have fun being a child, I guess.

Pretending cosmetic loot boxes are somehow comparable to locking away standard features behind limited physical DLC is another level of delusion.

 

[Head.spawn]

This is a bit of a shame because i have zero fucking interest in buying amiibos and even less interest in playing Nintendo's low inventory lottery system once more to acquire game content now. I mean it took enough amazing luck just trying to find a system in-stock, let alone buy it at a reasonable price.

 

[xmajinjoshx]

^I'd like to know what's giving you that confidence. All messaging points to the opposite.

I'm naturally optimistic and confident. Plus "Fusion Mode" details weren't even detailed yet. Show me one piece of marketing that points towards Nintendo specifically calling it "Hard Mode". And explain how the easiest of the 2D games can even be considered as a "Hard Mode" by Nintendo.

 

[milkham]

While I enjoy Fusion, and would love to eventually get a proper Metroid 5, I agree. So why would you or anyone else here consider this to be a "Hard Mode", when it's the easiest of the 2D games, and Nintendo has called it nothing more than "Fusion Mode"? It's going to be hilarious seeing everyone eating crow, if "Fusion Mode" ends up being nothing more than un-cannonical cosmetics. Just like it was in Prime.

yeah all those people eating crow over nintendo's "official" chat solution for the switch was pretty funny.

 

[Night Angel]

I'm naturally optimistic and confident. Plus "Fusion Mode" details weren't even detailed yet. Show me one piece of marketing that points towards Nintendo specifically calling it "Hard Mode". And explain how the easiest of the 2D games can even be considered as a "Hard Mode" by Nintendo.

From the OP article:
"By scanning the new, squishy Metroid amiibo, you’ll receive access to the mode that provides a new level of difficulty and Samus’ Fusion Suit from Metroid Fusion."
From Nintendo's Facebook:
"In Metroid: Samus Returns, the Metroid amiibo unlocks Metroid Marker, a tool to help you find nearby Metroids. In addition, it will also unlock Fusion Mode, a new mode that offers increased difficulty and features Samus in her Fusion suit. Note that Fusion Mode will only be available after finishing the game at least once."

Ok? Glad we sorted that out.

Wait and see is a stupid response in light of the voice chat solution. We waited and we saw it was exactly as stupid as it sounded.