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Rape charge dropped against USC student after evidence of consent presented
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Tinder thinks you have no idea what you're talking about. This is the golden age of random hookups.
Living the Dream
Member
This makes me incredibly happy that all of this occurs or should occur. Rape is incredibly serious for BOTH parties involved; whether false or not.
Crazyorloco
Member
I feel like typing up a sex contract. I don't want this to happen to me.
Anton Sugar
Member
I suppose this is one way to look at it.
Another is that there are possibly more support structures and believers of victims in modern society, so more accusations are leveled because victims are supported and don't feel as scared as they would have in the past.
Similar to the "people are so sensitive nowadays". Yeah, sure, could be that, or it could be that we're becoming, as a society, more sensitive to groups that have been forced to just tolerate/put up with bigoted/sexist/etc. bullshit. More people are willing to listen.
Gotcha. I thought you were saying that false accusations via regret/drinking happen all the damned time, not just regretting things due to drinking, generally.
Khaos Kontrol
Banned
Hard out here being a man in these streets. Luckily this guy had the video evidence.
If a woman wants to try and ruin a man's life, this is all she has to do.
If a woman wants to try and ruin a man's life, this is all she has to do.
ClosingADoor
Member
Tough case. Consent when going home does not automatically mean consent in the bedroom. But how do you proof it either way.
That said, some of you people in here are really paranoid about being falsely accused.
Paranoia about being falsely accused is through the roof in this thread.
That said, some of you people in here are really paranoid about being falsely accused.
Yes, and when a man wants to try and ruin a woman's life, all he has to do is assault or rape her, which happens a whole lot more then false accusations.
Paranoia about being falsely accused is through the roof in this thread.
Its actually incredibly violating having to go through all of that right after going through something that traumatic. But I guess you can be happy about it because it protects dudes.
What's to stop her from simply saying that she didn't consent after the fact? What if she finds me charming and funny with a couple of drinks in her but when she wakes up sober and sees my fat ugly mug staring back she suddenly regrets her decision?
It's almost like people are terrified of having their lives ruined because of a random hookup. Like if there were no video evidence this guy would have had his life fucked, he would have gone to jail and be a registered sex offender for the rest of forever.
Good points all around.
As a black man. I certainly would approach any sort of physical contact with someone I just met with a bit more trepidation.
And if a woman wants to ruin her own life all she has to do is claim she was raped. Or just be raped. Y'know, either/or.
-jazz hands-
Nah, for bad reason. How many cases of rape are just thrown out? How many do we actually hear about and how many ruin a guy's life? I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the vast majority of cases end up with the guy going scot free.
Khaos Kontrol
Banned
With good reason.
Back to medieval ages it is, then. Only married people have sex and only for procreation and the whole village beared witness to the act. Great.
And yes, no random encounters for me. I might murder someone, because of my chromosomes. Or reasons. It's too bad that even sex by two conscenting adults becomes a toxic topic.
Psychoward
Banned
not really
HawksWinStanley
Member
I can't really blame them. It's a sure fire way to have your life ruined. And, from what I've heard, convicted rapists aren't exactly treated well in prison.
ClosingADoor
Member
Random hookups are risky for both parties though. She could also have actually been raped when going home with a stranger.
I think the issue is way overblown. It makes for a good story that gets a lot of views, but it doesn't happen all that much compared to actual rape.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Tinder gives you the casual sex you want without the messiness of intoxication.
Probably better. Bar hook-ups might be over, which sucks for people like me. Oh well.
Probably better. Bar hook-ups might be over, which sucks for people like me. Oh well.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
No, not really. Does it happen, sure, but I cannot imagine this happens often at all. You don't just get to say he raped me and that is the end of it.
Really don't want to go dig up statistics on rapists in prison right now, but of those there, what would you wager are there due to a drunk sex at a bar? I'm thinking the overwhelming majority, probably north of 90% weren't some random drunk hook up that turned into rape.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah, so simple and easy.... or wait:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=245117682#post245117682
Try again before mouthing off unsubstantiated, paranoid horseshit.
Anton Sugar
Member
Yeah, us men have it really hard nowadays.
That's certainly another issue. Drunk sex with strangers is risky from any possible perspective. It's just too bad that consent is not enough to prevent false cases like these. So both parties are stuck in a very bad situation and the only logical conclusion would be not to engage in sex at all at some point. Or trust anyone. ( ;( )
In all of humam history it has literally never been as easy as it is now to get a random hookup with someone you might barely know and never see again without paying for it.
Do you know how hard it is to be convicted for rape if you did do it? False accusations are so rare and never go anywhere it's not worth worrying about.
To be fair, everyone's hang up seems less on getting consent and more about MAINTAINING consent. It can be revoked at any time, which is something people seem to be confused or apprehensive about.
kiunchbb
www.dictionary.com
With our Justice system, I would prefer being shot in the head than getting convicted. You are done with your life with one charges, especially with something as serious as this.
Edit: convicted not persecuted, I confused both word
eh, depends on how rich or important you are
benicillin
Banned
You know, except for all the successful businessmen, athletes and literal celebrities that keep on trucking even when tens of women speak out against them.
This thread is an embarrassment.
Psychoward
Banned
uh, except for all the people that get off scot free from actual, very likely or even proven rape charges?
and yes I have a stake in how shitty false rape accusations are too, my brother was a victim of one in college and he was kicked out for a semester. But once the evidence started coming in and it was clear that it was fabricated he was allowed to return with lowered tuition, but yeah I'm sure he would have preferred a bullet in the head instead.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
I'm crying in laughter at a dude with a 13 Reasons Why avatar talking about false accusations.
lightskintwin
Banned
Being falsely accused of any crime is fucked up and damaging to that person's character and life, however to act like it's any where close to actual rape accusations that occurs and either doesn't get reported, does get reported but not taken seriously, or taken seriously and the perpetrators either get off or receive light sentences isn't a much bigger problem is being disingenuous.
And sometimes even after the fact which is the point those posters were probably making. Consent is an easy concept except when it gets exploited like that. And while that happens in only a small amount of cases, it still has to called out when it happens.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
It is frightening that anyone should be confused about this.
If your partner says "stop" in the middle of sex, you stop. Period. If you continue, that's rape. If you stop, it's not rape.
How can it be confusing?
The only kind of "grey area" I can see in terms of consent, is if both partners are equally drunk. Hell, I'd find it sketchier if someone completely sober hooked up with someone slightly tipsy, than two wasted people having at it together, because the former suggests taking advantage of someone's lowered faculty and the latter doesn't. If both are wasted, it's fairly ridiculous to claim they both raped each others, so even if both were "incapable of consent" and somehow managed to go at it, well... that sort of cancels it out. Case by case, obviously, and it can be hard to determine if two people are equally drunk as not everyone holds their liquor the same way even if they had similar or identical amounts.
Absolutely ridiculous. Even rape convicts often get slapped on the wrist. Brock Turner's life isn't over, though it should be.
Bullet to the head... good grief
Lonewulfeus
Member
So who is responsible for maintaining consent? If it's the man should he be asking every couple of thrusts if everything's all good? If someone says no or stop you stop. It's not rocket science. I don't think it's reasonable that both parties need to constantly reaffirm consent once it's been given. If consent is to be revoked once given, the person who is doing the revoking needs to say so and their wishes need to be respected or else it's rape.
benicillin
Banned
Misread this, whoops.
Consent is really straightforward, the fact that so many people have no understanding of it is really troubling.
Lonewulfeus
Member
Did you even read past the first sentence or are you just looking for reasons to be outraged?
Edit: you didn't but you revoked your outrage so I guess we're good.
perfectchaos007
Member
I watched a Laci Green video that said just that. Guys should constantly ask for consent during sex.
https://youtu.be/TD2EooMhqRI?t=1m20s
lightskintwin
Banned
LOL That sounds like a moodkiller to be honest.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Psychoward
Banned
oh well if laci green said it
Lonewulfeus
Member
And that's insane and entirely unreasonable. Wanna make sure your partner is no longer in the mood for sexy times, keep asking them how they are doin during.
Consent is very straight forward in most circumstances. The only grey areas are when both parties are not in a state of mind to give consent(drunk, high etc).
You're totally right.
IMO - the problem that everyone is afraid of is what happens when consent is revoked after. I've interviewed women who have said, "I wanted them to stop, but I kept going" on more than one occasion. It's hard to tell them what to do at that point because regret is not rape, but it's still a hard situation, one that can cause people to make poor decisions given the gravity of the outcome.
But yes. No, Stop, Don't. If you hear it, cease. If she complains that you stopped after doing so, RUN.
I mean yes. It's pretty straight forward, but some people in this thread seem to have apprehensions about such things.
lightskintwin
Banned
Which unfortunately happens a lot.
crazygambit
Member
How do you know though?
Without a video taken by chance this one would have never been filed as a false claim (malicious or not).
Just as it's very difficult to the determine the number of unreported rapes, I think it's just as hard to determine how many are false claims.
That is crazy and if someone is actually asking you to do that, you should just leave.
Also that's not what video is saying. That video is more a 101 on pillowtalk.
excelsiorlef
Member
Yes men are more likely to be murdered than women... of course men are also more likely to also be the murderer.