Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Both series are still selling very well and are loved so I don't see the need for that. One constantly changes the other slightly builds on the same, different approaches that seem to work for both franchises
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Dragon Quest XI shipments + digital sales pass 3 million
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entremet
Member
I do like that FF takes more risks. Even though they haven't hit super high notes of late.
Velcro Fly
Member
I don't normally care much about sales numbers but DQ is different.
Onward to 4 million!
Onward to 4 million!
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I really want voice over.
"Baby cries" No, the baby doesn't make a sound, the text says, "baby cries.."
"Baby cries" No, the baby doesn't make a sound, the text says, "baby cries.."
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
I'm not necessarily talking about the content and style. For instance there hasn't been a well managed mainline FF project since... FFX? I don't know much much about XI so it could be that.
Also, from a brand management standpoint, I get the *impression* that the FF brand is not as tightly managed. But I digress.
Shin
Banned
5+ million seller right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UcVdnXrSpE
No idea what that was about but...it was awesome!
No idea what that was about but...it was awesome!
DriftingSpirit
Member
lol, dem attacks.
lol, it gets better
Yes. Insanely so. It's amazing how it has become such a Japansese phenomenon that just has not translated well outside the country. SE though has it made: the biggest JPN RPG series and the biggest jRPG series WW under their umbrella
There's a reason why FF sells well worldwide and Dragon Quest does not.
XI's attempt for an MMO that runs on PS2 wasn't exactly smooth sailing. X being the last mainline FF without big development problems is quite right.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Huh, SE owns Pokémon?
Welllll is Pokemon REALLY a traditional JRPG? Can of worms I know. If it makes it easier, I amend my statement to mean biggest JRPG fantasy series.
Oh ok. Ever heard of FF XI? It released during the era where online gaming weren't that prevalent hence I and many others predict the game could be a failure. But the strength of the brand managed to pull it through. I've no doubt that SE wished for DQ X to repeat that success especially after the reception of DQ IX.
I don't get it? Of course they would tried to keep investing on their main IP. I mean??? perhaps I exaggerated the word abysmal. Let's just say it didn't meet their sales expectation?. Let's paraphrase it better, It didn't reach what their thought of the brand potential.
I think DQ sells more than Pokemon within Japan. But Pokemon probably makes more money with merchandise. So I guess it depends on how we think of biggest.
Edit: yes, sun and moon sold 1.5 million on launch week in Japan vs 2-3 million DQ.
DQ is probably more front loaded, and is on two systems this time. But within Japan, it is the largest RPG. Of course Pokemon has larger impact outside japan, as does FF.
Edit2: it may be incorrect to say DQ is the largest RPG within Japan. See some posts below about earlier sales of the Pokemon franchise. Does look like DQ XI is on track to outsell sunmoon but has multiple consoles.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
What? Main Pokemon entries absolutely sell more than DQ, unless you literally only count one version instead of both.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Persona 5?The wait is going to be so long.I hope this shows that turn based battles can still be successful in 2017.
SolicitorPirate
Member
The Dragon Quest franchise is pretty much Galapagos Syndrome the Videogame, isn't it?
How is it XI tracking relative to IX at the moment? 3m so soon after release makes it seem like it could surpass 4.2m, but I have no idea how front loaded DQ games typically are
How is it XI tracking relative to IX at the moment? 3m so soon after release makes it seem like it could surpass 4.2m, but I have no idea how front loaded DQ games typically are
That's incorrect, at least according to Media Create sales numbers. As of june 2017, sun and moon together has sold 3.2 million in japan. I guess the double pack sold 150k so total 3.35 or 3.50 million depending on how you count.
DQ has already shipped 3 million and at very least sold 2 million in first two days. It is on track to outsell Pokemon, which only sold 2 million in first two weeks.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_Sun_and_Moon#cite_note-10
Edit: while what I said above is true, in the past many handheld pokemon games did outsell the DQ games. It's just that SunMoon didn't do that well. But in many cases still within spitting distance. See posts further down.
SolicitorPirate
Member
The wait is going to be so long.
It doesn't though. DQ has amazing total numbers, but those sales are heavily skewed towards a single country, and one that which outside of select titles, is increasingly turning away from console gaming.
Off the top of my head, the only turn based JRPG that sells at AAA levels across regions is Pokemon.
mugurumakensei
Member
The first two days were slightly behind DQ IX. So, it's most likely the case its tracking behind DQIX.
Persona 5?
I agree it won't hurt and that is also a great game.
mugurumakensei
Member
Nah, Pokémon sells less than DQ in Japan but it's a behemoth in every region so it typically sells about 3x as much world wide.
ethomaz
Banned
Because digital there is no way to know how it tracks compared with DQIX but it is possible close.
In shipment terms DQIX shipped 3.5 million in early August being released on July 14 (a bit more than 2 weeks). DQXI shipped 3 million in one week.
Pokémon (combined the two version) sell less in Japan than DQ... used to sell less than FF but you know how SE screwed the franchise.
crimzonflame
Member
Please tell me shes a permanent party member.
This is likely true but because digital sales were not included in the 2.1 million figure, it's tough to say for sure.
But honestly I think DQ XI might outsell IX, if only because people might double dip after beating it on one machine, or as PS4 reaches maturity, or once Switch version is released. Because its so many SKU its hard to get an apples to apples comparison.
Worldwide bad taste?
The wait is going to be so long.
They are, don't worry. The last few years has been jam-packed with turn-based JRPGs: DQ, Pokemon, Atelier series, Trails series, SMT IV and Apocalypse, TMS, Persona, all of which have been brought westward... and more are coming. Not to mention a resurgence of turn-based dungeon RPGs like Operation Abyss/Babel, Demon Gaze (sequel coming soon), Stranger of Sword City, Etrian Odyssey games every year, Dungeon Travelers 2 (and 2-2 in Japan), etc. Turn-based console roguelikes too like Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, Shiren 5+. Turn-based is going strong.
When people talk about turn-based being too dated, not selling, or whatever other nonsense they're either full of it or talking only about AAA sales, and who honestly cares about whether something sells AAA or not? If it sells enough to make a decent profit and bring us more turn-based games, that's all we need
She is, not all her attacks are like that though. It's just one of her skill trees.
Yeah, totally the case /s
IIRC DQ does not tend to review favorably in the west as well.
Since RPGs started to get really noticed in the west as potential big sellers(with FFVII), DQ had:
Dragon Quest VII: PS1 game, came out in NA in late 2001 while looking like a mix of an SNES game with PS1 level 3d backgrounds. It just didn't have a chance.
Dragon Quest VIII: SE put actual effort in pushing the game in western market, and it actually paid off! For being the first ever DQ game to come out in EU it being one of PS2 best selling RPGs in the west is quite the achievement. Best selling DQ game in the west!
Dragon Quest IX: Came out on the DS in 2010, at the end of the DS's life, it still managed to break the 1M mark!
Dragon Quest X: an MMO RPG that SE not only never bothered to bring to the west, but went out of their way to prevent westerners from playing it!
Looking at that, the few times the series was given a fare chance in the west, it actually became a million seller, something extremely rare for JRPGs not named Final Fantasy or Pokemon. Saying "Worldwide has bad taste" isn't fair, and you should be ashamed of your words and deeds. ;p
VIII and IX reviewed really well, so did the DS/3DS remakes! Where is this coming from?!
ethomaz
Banned
I won't call 89 meta not favorable.
The issue is more about Square Enix late localization and lack of marketing.
Yeah, SE has handled the series poorly in the west.
Did they? It has been a while. I would caution that VIII (truly a fantastic RPG) did review well in the PS2 era (the same as the FF games) but as we see with today's reviews of the same exact games, those high scores no longer hold much weight. I also think IX got a big boost because of the mulitplayer aspect (and Seth Green!).
However, it's been quite a long time since a main DQ was released and the spinoffs outside of DQB have received very decent but not earth-shattering scores. XI is going to have a bit of a battle to get its name out there, especially when SE drops the ball in marketing it. Thankfully, DQB is the example that word of mouth works at least.
This, at first I just wanted to see how good the game looks, but Shouta translating the story part got me hooked(incredible VA performance didn't help too!)!! Had to force my self to stop after like two days or I'd end up spoiling the whole game.
Famitsu has SunMoon at 3.884.864, XY at 4.557.957 and ORAS (which are remakes) at 3.198.167. Pokémon is unquestionably bigger than Dragon Quest in Japan.
Oh, I agree 100%.
I was rejoindering Toth's comment that "there is a reason FF outsells DQ worldwide". His implication being that there is something superior about FF.
I maintain that, as a whole, DQ is the better franchise by far. The only FFs worth their mettle, are 4-6, and 9. Tactics too, if you're willing to bend genre bounds a bit. DQ is the GOAT of JRPG series.
ULTROS!
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For reference:
DQVII 3DS - 81%
DQVIII 3DS - 85%
Comparing it to the latest FF entries (for PS4 gen):
FFXV - 81%
FFXII - 86%
FFX/X-2 - 84%
So yeah, even if this is the best DQ game of all time or something, it'll be 89 at tops.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Trash confirmed Xp
I kid I kid
I don't think FF sold more than 5 million like Pokemon and neither did DQ. You people know nothing about how huge Pokemon is.
And Sun and Moon is the only main Pokemon game to sell less than a DQ game in Japan.
Thank you for the numbers
No, (Silver/Gold and Red/Blue have even higher numbers than the titles below)
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl : 5.7M
Pokemon Black/White 5.5M
Pokemon Ruby/Saphire : 5.3M
Pokemon X/Y : 4.5M
Dragon Quest IX : 4.4M
Dragon Quest VIII : 3.7M
Dragon Quest VII : 3.9M
Final Fantasy VII : 3.9M
Final Fantasy VIII : 3.5M
Final Fantasy X : 3M
Final Fantasy IX : 2.7M
Final Fantasy XII : 2.4M
As for Sun/Moon vs Dragon Quest XI it has yet to be seen which one will sell more than the other, they will most likely end in the same ballpark anyway (~4M).
texhnolyze
Banned
I hope the Japanese can sustain the franchise singlehandedly forever, because I have no faith in Western audience.
"Why the heck is everyone taking turns to attack? Lol so stupid and archaic gameplay."
"Why the heck is everyone taking turns to attack? Lol so stupid and archaic gameplay."
DQ VII (a kind of ugly Ps1 game) sold 3.78 million in Japan. DQ VIII was the highest selling ps2 game in japan, with over 4 million copies in Japan (4.9m worldwide -430k NA -400kish EU). DQ IX sold 4.3 million in Japan (series record).
This announcement about 3 million for DQ XI is only at week 1.
Not sure how to compare DQ IX and XY since they are separate systems at different times but I would not say Pokemon is "unquestionably bigger" given many DQ games have outsold Pokemon ones. (Also media create puts sunmoon at only 3.2m but maybe famitsu includes digital?)
shadow2810
Member
Only DQ VIII and IX outsold S/M (which is the most recent entry) or am I missing something?
Eh I guess more than 1 is "many".
Ah thank you for gen V and VI numbers. I suppose its fair to say Pokemon was bigger than DQ in the past (though only IX was on handholds), but with the poor performance of Sun Moon, this may no longer be the case.
Of course having two different systems sales combined might be misleading too, since if Pokemon sun/moon was also on PS4, it might sell even more. However, I think DQ games also tend to be priced higher than Pokemon so its tough. I'll concede that DQ is not unquestionably bigger than Pokemon but I'd also say the reverse is tough to say as well.
My bad, I was mistaken, didn't see the DS sales for Pokemon and was only looking at S/M and ORAS. My last post above corrects this and I'll concede that DQ is not bigger than Pokemon in Japan. Though recently there may be a reversal with poor Sun Moon sales, though even that comes with caveats mentioned in my last post.
Edit: edited some of my earlier posts in the thread.