Skullwaker
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Fire Emblem isn't close to being Nintendo's biggest franchise in Japan.
No doubt.
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Fire Emblem isn't close to being Nintendo's biggest franchise in Japan.
No doubt.
By the end of the year? Guaranteed.
fredrancour
Member
This was kind of expected. Splatoon 1 was a beast, especially in Japan. Vs a RE-release and a multiplat in a series whose best region isn't Japan.
Serious question? It would seems to me like a no-braindrain that Splatoon 2 outsell DQXI PS4, quite possibly even DQXI PS4 + 3DS.
Alex_Mexico
Member
I have the hope that Metroid on Switch could see the franchise get a reinassance similar to what happened with FE. Nothing as big as taking over Japan but basically big enough to be somewhat popular in Japan. Sell at least 100,000 units there dammit!Ōkami;245783026 said:
anyone could've told you that before arms released.
SinCityAssassin
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It's Japan.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Eolz
Member
I think 100k is doable after a while and with enough marketing tbh.
But otherwise, yeah, it's still Metroid and Japan.
edit:
Bayo 2 was at less than 100k for sure.
edit: yeah it did 52k. Similar to a lot of WiiU games.
I think it launched at around 40K, not sure if it had legs or not afterwards
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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Switch has finally overtaken the 3DS but can it maintain the lead with the latter's price drop bump looming? Find out in the nextepisodeseveralof the GAF media create thread.s
I think the PSV-WII U-PS4 vs switch is over now. Let's get real and compare the switch to the big ones.
boiled goose
good with gravy
No way I'm buying that Nintendo expected Arms to be something like Mario Kart. How manys ips exist that are on Mario kart tier?
They expected that for a 1v1 fighter with limited content and launch and simple motion inputs? Citation needed...
I don't think he means sales wise, he just used Mario Kart as an example because the same team makes both games.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Mario kart is a franchise that's been around for 20 years and on every system since the snes.
It's still an absurd, unsupported claim even if it doesn't refer to sales.
Not even other Mario branded multiplayer ips are comparable to mario kart. Not even smash brothers if you want to count that
Why is everyone repeating 120k? I never gave a number or claimed a big shipment is given from now. Weekend isn't far.
Yes it was clear to me from his post: they "just" want to start a new long standing IP.
I think the PSV-WII U-PS4 vs switch is over now. Let's get real and compare the switch to the big ones.
How much did psp end up selling? 20 millions after MH hit?
When did the Wii slowdown occur? Quite a massive start.
Hero of Legend
Member
Hey guys, I haven't updated my article of Switch JP sales data in a couple of months, would you like me to update it with everything I missed? Do you find the article useful? Let me know. 
Edit: Here's the article:
https://goldmetalsonic.wordpress.co...tch-lifetime-japanese-sales-data-compilation/
Edit: Here's the article:
https://goldmetalsonic.wordpress.co...tch-lifetime-japanese-sales-data-compilation/
boiled goose
good with gravy
"Like Mario Kart" adds to the claim. If Nintendo expected arms to become a franchise that still exists 20 years from now I'm gonna have to see evidence to back up the claim.
The poster made a claim regarding Nintendo's expectations. I'm asking for receipts.
The fact that they allocated the Mario Kart 8 team to work on this instead of doing another MK should be sufficient evidence.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
Hey guys, I haven't updated my article of Switch JP sales data in a couple of months, would you like me to update it with everything I missed? Do you find the article useful? Let me know.
Edit: Here's the article:
https://goldmetalsonic.wordpress.co...tch-lifetime-japanese-sales-data-compilation/
Those hardware numbers could've been very useful to me 30 minutes ago haha
Dark Cloud
Member
I'm sure they want it to be an IP that becomes a staple franchise that goes generations.
I think there is a strong wish from young developers within Nintendo to work on new IP. A lot of the stuff Nintendon is publishing is the properties that Miyamoto invented, but times move on and there are a lot of new ambitious creators that want to create new gaming concepts. I think Splatoon and ARMS are just the beginning. Arms is doind decently and I hope Yabuki gets a chance to expand on it. Sales are leggy atleadt, but not spectacular. It cleary has a lack of content as of now.
twothunder
Member
Good week and hold for Dragon Quest and Splatoon
Sad to see DGS2 not doing too well. the first game wasn't a big seller either but still.
and it's almost strange to see Crash so low after it's big success in the West.
looking forward to next week to see how Switch ( and Splatoon 2 ) will do
Sad to see DGS2 not doing too well. the first game wasn't a big seller either but still.
and it's almost strange to see Crash so low after it's big success in the West.
looking forward to next week to see how Switch ( and Splatoon 2 ) will do
i guess so. selling one million in japan in about the same time as it took Splatoon 1 to sell 1 million WW , i believe
I can see big drops for sequels of games that went from multi to PS4 exclusives.
test_account
XP-39C²
What isnt chill about that post? He/shes just asking for source regarding the claim that Nintendo wants/expects Arms to be like Mario Kart (i.e, an IP being relevant for decades).
he already clarified so I don't know why he keeps going at it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245785888&postcount=371
just a new ip worthy of a sequel. Maybe he used "like MK" since it's the same team/director. Not referring to sales.
the only new IP in recent years to be at Mario Kart levels is Destiny (unless I'm forgetting something). So obviously expecting that would be dumb.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Umm completely disagree that's evidence. That speaks to desired quality not expected relevance/sales/longevity.
Sakurai developing kid ikarus uprising means Nintendo expected it to become an ip as relevant/successful/long lasting as Kirby or smash?
Smiles and Cries
Member
I think the PSV-WII U-PS4 vs switch is over now. Let's get real and compare the switch to the big ones.
why you say Wii U?
Sakurai developped Kid Icarus in between two Smash games. They weren't going to cram two Smash games on Wii (Kid Icarus was originally a Wii game).
Jaded Alyx
Member
When you make a new IP and push it with that level of marketing, you don't just want it to be relevant for 1 iteration or for say, 5 years. You're clearly trying to create a new long running franchise.
Why on earth does this have to be explained?
Why on earth does this have to be explained?
Neff
Member
Go back to Dino Crisis, of course
I can see quite a few developers wanting to have software ready in time for when Pokémon turns up so they can piggyback off it.
I don't really understand the weird high standard people are holding Arms to compared to other games. It's doing fine, it's not done selling at all (it's comfortably in the top 20), and it shipped a great number of copies in it's first 2 weeks.
I mean this is a thread where we often discuss Nioh's "incredible" sales as a major success story. Arms is going to easily outsell it. Is Ni Oh a failure?
I mean this is a thread where we often discuss Nioh's "incredible" sales as a major success story. Arms is going to easily outsell it. Is Ni Oh a failure?
I'd be interested in how Mario x Rabbids does. I think it'll do pretty well in the West, but unsure in Japan.
Hero of Legend
Member
Hey guys, I haven't updated my article of Switch JP sales data in a couple of months, would you like me to update it with everything I missed? Do you find the article useful? Let me know.
Edit: Here's the article:
https://goldmetalsonic.wordpress.co...tch-lifetime-japanese-sales-data-compilation/
Already got 2 weeks added as of Week 22. I even fixed the Dengeki HW number that was missing for Week 22 also.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Clarified or doubled down in recent posts because of Mario kart 8 dev team?
Worthy of sequel is a far cry and quite a goal post move from "like mario kart". Mario kart worthy of a sequel? Lol. This is a series that's a stable on every Nintendo system on every generation that drives system sales and sells tens of millions of units.
If Mario kart was not apt comparison I'm happy to accept that and let it go. (But again poster doubled down)
Worthy of a sequel better comparisons? Wave race. Fzero. Excite truck. Mario stikers. Xenoblade. Not freaking Mario kart. Lol.
test_account
XP-39C²
The initial claim was that they (Nintendo) want Arms to be like Mario Kart. That doesnt have to be about matching sales, but rather being a long lasting serie. The question is if Nintendo have made such claim, at least that is my understanding. If he is just speculating in it, then he can just say it, and that would be the reciept
and once again we're back to: chill
I dont see any problems with that. The initial claim was that they (Nintendo) wanted Arms to be like Mario Kart. Doesnt have to be matching sales, but rather being a long lasting serie. The question is if Nintendo have made such claim, at least that is my understanding. If he is just speculating in it, then he can just say it, and that would be the reciept
not like nintendo outlines expectations for many franchises outwardly anyway. Most of what we do here is speculation/inference. He said they had a high profile team working on it, had a large marketing push, and is the main franchise showing off the Switch's motion capabilities. It's not crazy to infer they wanted it to at least be successful enough for a sequel.
And how will anyone know what is around 20 years from now? But it's not like you have to be a sales juggarnaut to be a long lasting series.
Pikmin has never sold gangbusters,
Metroid has never
Star Fox barely sells since 64 (may need to check receipts)
Fire Emblem was barely alive until recently
The bar to last 20 years isn't that crazy. (and where did "20 years" even come from?)
this discussion is kinda, eh whatever....
KillerMan91
Member
Well I guess we shall see. I think RE7 (despite selling badly for RE standards) brought enough horror audience for PS4 for Evil Within 2 to do decently. Pretty shame how niche horror is in Japan nowadays.
Pretty sure this only happened in your head. Also, Nioh absolutely is a failure in Japan. It sold laughably bad I'd say it's the flop of the year in Japan, but RE7 is also a strong contender.
boiled goose
good with gravy
The initial claim was that they (Nintendo) want Arms to be like Mario Kart. That doesnt have to be about matching sales, but rather being a long lasting serie. The question is if Nintendo have made such claim, at least that is my understanding. If he is just speculating in it, then he can just say it, and that would be the reciept
Two claims ongoing now based on speculation.
Nintendo expected arms to be worthy of sequel. Seems reasonable and I agree.
Nintendo expected arms to be a long standing series like mario kart because the mario kart 8 devs worked on it.
I don't agree with that at all.
I would say Arms has already been successful enough for us to expect a sequel.