JONEZZEEonGAF
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LawBreakers' launch numbers are much lower than Battleborn's - PCGamesN
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Brerlappin
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I have no idea what this game is. I get battle born, lawbreakers, paragon, fortnite, all mixed up. Too many hero shooters. None of them particularly stand out
Alot of ppl I played with had no idea the game was even out until the happened to see it on steam.
Marketing would have helped some
I was fine with the anti grav bits, it was the normal grav that felt bad and not knowing exactly one would become the other was annoying.
Despite enjoying the beta I didn't buy it because I was worried about low player counts, which in turn contributes to this low player counts.
It just seems like a high skill game and I don't want to buy it only to try and play in a month and the only people playing are the veterans who've played almost every minute since launch.
It just seems like a high skill game and I don't want to buy it only to try and play in a month and the only people playing are the veterans who've played almost every minute since launch.
TheRazielim
Member
It looks so painfully generic.
CliffyB said it's gonna be "Dark Souls of shooters". lol.
CliffyB said it's gonna be "Dark Souls of shooters". lol.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Love the game. Sad it's not getting more attention. Character designs shouldn't count so hard against it when it's so fun to play.
DroneBrother
Banned
Always time for it to start gaining momentum, or so I hope anyway, as I don't want to see a new studio get hit with a loss
Messofanego
Banned
You are the reason this is a thing.
So mercs can't look happy while they're murdering others?
DroneBrother
Banned
People do, problem is in this day and age people are hooked on other multiplayer games, I can imagine when people discribe this as a character skill based shooter Overwatch is the first picture painted in there mind. Any everyone has tried Overwatch and you either love it and hate anything to copy it or you hate character skill based shooters.
Even though this is nothing alike
That's my take on it anyway
I consider this a slightly different situation than Evolve or Battleborn - it is very clear who the audience is for this game, they're just already occupied with other titles. Look at the past two weeks player count on SteamSpy for CSGO, PUBG, or Paladins - 9+ million, 5+ million, 1+ million. And this isn't counting the ice dagger of Overwatch summer games starting on the same day. People who put hours and hours into these games aren't going to abandon them for something else. On top of that, arena shooters haven't really had a flagship game in a decade (please stop calling Overwatch an arena shooter, the core game modes are TF2 inspired).
The obvious next move is F2P, but I'm wondering if the system requirements are not part of the reason they avoided that approach in the first place. Most popular free or low cost shooters are not recommending I7 / GTX 970 / 16GB RAM. It has also been mentioned that the beta was more popular on PS4, maybe not surprising since the two big games on Steam are not on it. The game just seems caught between too many juggernaut competing products and no good marketing. Maybe it is a Nexon thing, but doing a beta over a weekend like 4th of July is a good way to miss out on a number of players kicking the wheels and seeing if they like the game. Not sure the the last minute beta improved the attention and mind share problem either.
The obvious next move is F2P, but I'm wondering if the system requirements are not part of the reason they avoided that approach in the first place. Most popular free or low cost shooters are not recommending I7 / GTX 970 / 16GB RAM. It has also been mentioned that the beta was more popular on PS4, maybe not surprising since the two big games on Steam are not on it. The game just seems caught between too many juggernaut competing products and no good marketing. Maybe it is a Nexon thing, but doing a beta over a weekend like 4th of July is a good way to miss out on a number of players kicking the wheels and seeing if they like the game. Not sure the the last minute beta improved the attention and mind share problem either.
So many gloating and/or ignorant posts on Lawbreakers not doing well on pc so far. wow. Did not expect.
Is it just general CliffyB antipathy? Fear of this style of skill based high mobility shooter actually catching on? Don't worry folks. Your favorite brand of slow ass teamshooter (with profoundly fascinating and charming characters) isn't going away why do you feel the need to demean this other game you probably haven't even tried.
Game is fantastic btw and population seems decent on PS4. I'm sure there'll be plenty of crazy shooting fun to be had until Destiny 2 arrives at the very least.
Is it just general CliffyB antipathy? Fear of this style of skill based high mobility shooter actually catching on? Don't worry folks. Your favorite brand of slow ass teamshooter (with profoundly fascinating and charming characters) isn't going away why do you feel the need to demean this other game you probably haven't even tried.
Game is fantastic btw and population seems decent on PS4. I'm sure there'll be plenty of crazy shooting fun to be had until Destiny 2 arrives at the very least.
Yeah people fell in love with the characters long before Overwatch shipped.
You are the reason this is a thing.
So mercs can't look happy while they're murdering others?
Too be fair Kirby smiling is more disturbing considering he eats people
It's not even need that. (I know your joking but still, it's not a completely off base claim).
Rainbow Six Siege has all realistic characters and despite that there's tons and TONS of fanart for these characters. Despite it being a Modern Shooter.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Here's to you my man
Nydius
Member
Honestly not surprised. From the "we were going to be F2P buuuuuuut decided to go retail with a side of microtransactions" to the questionable publisher to the patented CliffyB hyperbole, nothing about this game seemed to be top notch material.
The betas came and went and I felt even less enthused because the game felt like it didn't know what it wanted to be. It took a bunch of elements from different types of shooters and threw them in a blender. It's not a hero shooter, but has elements from them. It's not a pure twitch arena shooter, but has elements from them. It doesn't appeal to my old school Unreal Tournament side because it's too different than UT and it doesn't appeal to my class-based shooter side because it's too different from Paladins and Overwatch. E: And maybe it's because I AM an old school UT player but the whole hook of "mobility and anti-gravity" means little to me since I've been doing that since people could make low grav instagib servers on Facing Worlds or Hall of Giants.
Coming out with an entirely new shooter IP these days is damn difficult to do. The market is crowded with shooters and you have a bunch of major players at the top who control most of the mind and market share. I commend them for trying but everything about this just seemed bungled and doesn't really make me want to play it rather than Paladins, Overwatch, the UT Alpha, or the Quake Champions beta.
The betas came and went and I felt even less enthused because the game felt like it didn't know what it wanted to be. It took a bunch of elements from different types of shooters and threw them in a blender. It's not a hero shooter, but has elements from them. It's not a pure twitch arena shooter, but has elements from them. It doesn't appeal to my old school Unreal Tournament side because it's too different than UT and it doesn't appeal to my class-based shooter side because it's too different from Paladins and Overwatch. E: And maybe it's because I AM an old school UT player but the whole hook of "mobility and anti-gravity" means little to me since I've been doing that since people could make low grav instagib servers on Facing Worlds or Hall of Giants.
Coming out with an entirely new shooter IP these days is damn difficult to do. The market is crowded with shooters and you have a bunch of major players at the top who control most of the mind and market share. I commend them for trying but everything about this just seemed bungled and doesn't really make me want to play it rather than Paladins, Overwatch, the UT Alpha, or the Quake Champions beta.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Then they would be psychopaths and not mercs.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic, if you aren't, then comparing kirby to gun wielding mercs is uh...a bit far fetched. (fwiw, I prefer kirby smiling than angry kirby)
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I wouldve played if it was on Xbox...
Hopefully more and more devs will stop chasing the MP crowd and return to making single player experiences
HighResTomato
Member
Too good for consoles ay.
Messofanego
Banned
Stop shaming psychopaths. Also, how do you define the gender of a Kirby?
Only a man can be that cruel
GitarooMan
Member
Am I the only person who actually like Lawbreakers character design? I mean, Cronos looks like a member of Slipknot and is constantly put forward by marketing despite being one of the worst designs in the game, besides Helix. Other than that though I think the character design is great and also diverse.
Of the 16 human characters(plus 2 robots) 7 are women.
None of them are in sexy outfits and they all have distinct personalities. You won't find any cleavage in any of the alt costumes either. I guess you could argue Hellion's outfit is tight but she's a ninja it fits her design.
Of the 16 characters 7 are white.
Nothing wrong with white characters but it's nice that there is a good amount of diversity.
Other than being diverse I just think the designs look good and modeled in high fidelity. Some of the faces have some uncanny valley happening but overall they look like real people.
I think they all look way, way too similar for a hero shooter. In Overwatch, or Team Fortress 2 for that matter, I can tell who I'm looking at from huge distances away because of their silhouettes and animations. Playing Lawbreakers, at a distance, every single character looks identical. There is nothing particularly wrong with the character designs on the whole but there is no unifying unique style and so it just looks like a series of generic sci fi people, with a few oddities mixed in. As for these particular images, some of them aren't just uncanny valley they're straight up nightmare fuel. Lawbreakers seems to strike a nasty combination where it neither has the style of something like Gears or Halo, nor the variety of something like Team Fortress or Overwatch.
The character designs would be okay for a game that isn't about different characters and their abilities. One of the things that keeps me coming back to Overwatch is the fact that each character almost feels like a different game. Twenty five different games that all feel dramatically different, and the fact each character looks and sounds so different, and that each has such a unique personality, is massive.
Too bad this game has flopped but you could kinda see it coming. I browse gaf every day and not only did I not know what this game was until this thread, but I've seen zero hype from it on gaf or in the gaming media in general. For whatever reason, it just never gained any traction.
PandaShake
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Yup. Never heard of it. Not from podcasts or from gaf.
Demoskinos
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Am I the only person who actually like Lawbreakers character design? I mean, Cronos looks like a member of Slipknot and is constantly put forward by marketing despite being one of the worst designs in the game, besides Helix. Other than that though I think the character design is great and also diverse.
Of the 16 human characters(plus 2 robots) 7 are women.
None of them are in sexy outfits and they all have distinct personalities. You won't find any cleavage in any of the alt costumes either. I guess you could argue Hellion's outfit is tight but she's a ninja it fits her design.
Of the 16 characters 7 are white.
Nothing wrong with white characters but it's nice that there is a good amount of diversity.
Other than being diverse I just think the designs look good and modeled in high fidelity. Some of the faces have some uncanny valley happening but overall they look like real people.
Haha I really like chronos the big dumb idiot. He does look like early era Corey Taylor and that's totally why I like him.
ProBusinessgamer
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I dont think its worth the price, i didnt like it at all...i tried, but some i guess will like it. Its not as good as overwatch, or any of the major multiplayer games. With the big games coming aug-nov time frame, i expect this to slowly fade away.
A friend at work played the beta and said he liked it but couldn't see himself buying the game because he knows he'll just want to play PUBG, despite them being almost opposite shooters in terms of gameplay from what I can tell. I wonder if that game has just sucked so much oxygen out of the room for other games even kind of in the same genre to launch well on Steam.
funkystudent
Member
At least people poked fun at Battleborn.
The entire discussion around Law Breakers was basically "Really? You shit talk modern AAA games constantly this is the best thing you can come up Cliif? LOL OK"
The entire discussion around Law Breakers was basically "Really? You shit talk modern AAA games constantly this is the best thing you can come up Cliif? LOL OK"
I don't know there is just something about the designs that just don't do anything for me.
ebullientprism
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Because it's literally nothing. Its just some generic looking people in different colored clothing. Its like 5 different Nathan Drakes. ¯\_(ツ
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Glass Rebel
Member
You think they can sell them to graphics card manufacturers to cut at least some losses?
ArgyleReptile
Banned
The characters themselves have good design and modelling. The details are great and do add a bit if character to them. Someone should post a screen of the Breaker's healer.
That being said, their base costumes are an incredibly boring take on technologically enhanced armor. Their alts stand out much better. I do think they should have gone further with the designs to differentiate them a little bit more.
That being said, their base costumes are an incredibly boring take on technologically enhanced armor. Their alts stand out much better. I do think they should have gone further with the designs to differentiate them a little bit more.
Raylan Targaryen
Member
cuz single player games dont bomb
ebullientprism
Member
Holy shit LOL.
Here is the thing, a SP can bomb at launch and still have a good shelf life and make money over time. Some good word of mouth, decent press and sales will at least give a chance to do well in the long run.
Problem with a MP only game bombing is that once the community goes then NO ONE is buying it a month from now. People dont even try it when it goes F2P. Look at Evolve and Battleborn. Its just done.
Demoskinos
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Y'all acting like because they didn't touch the moon on this one that its a failure. You also forget they didn't exactly have the budget or the marketing that Battleborn had. The goal here isn't to kick down the door storm the castle and assume the shooter throne.
The goal is a long term growing of community. Battleborn had marketing but the game was a failure because the core game was poor. Lawbreakers at its core is a very fun game and the people who are interested in it are VERY interested in playing it. That's the goal is a sustained long term community. This was never going to be a blockbuster.
Lawbreakers is a long term investment for Bosskey. I'm sure they were very aware at the market they were entering into. People coming in here and claiming that its DOA are completely missing the mark on this one.
The goal is a long term growing of community. Battleborn had marketing but the game was a failure because the core game was poor. Lawbreakers at its core is a very fun game and the people who are interested in it are VERY interested in playing it. That's the goal is a sustained long term community. This was never going to be a blockbuster.
Lawbreakers is a long term investment for Bosskey. I'm sure they were very aware at the market they were entering into. People coming in here and claiming that its DOA are completely missing the mark on this one.
It does look like they could be!
Because it's literally nothing. Its just some generic looking people in different colored clothing. Its like 5 different Nathan Drakes. ¯\_(ツ
Yeah. Honestly looks less like characters but that they're supposed to be the "player" inhabiting the bodies.
I watched some footage on Twitch and even when ingame I can barely tell which character he's shooting at.
Even something like Infinite Warfare, which in some ways it's RIGs were a bit more generic than BO3's Specialists... Still are easy to identity in a sec even when they're wearing different outfits. Even from across the map. Everything in Lawbreakers just look so muddled.
(Granted you could argue that with there only being 6 characters vs Lawbreakers 18(?) that it's much easier to remember 6 character but Overwatch has 25 now and they're all stupid easy to remember.)
Diablohead
Member
Is this what happens when an artist paints over some stock photos?
*edit* not going against the artists skill, but they give me little to no feedback looking at them, they all look too similar for multiple characters in a shooter.
Am I the only person who actually like Lawbreakers character design? I mean, Cronos looks like a member of Slipknot and is constantly put forward by marketing despite being one of the worst designs in the game, besides Helix. Other than that though I think the character design is great and also diverse.
Of the 16 human characters(plus 2 robots) 7 are women.
None of them are in sexy outfits and they all have distinct personalities. You won't find any cleavage in any of the alt costumes either. I guess you could argue Hellion's outfit is tight but she's a ninja it fits her design.
Of the 16 characters 7 are white.
Nothing wrong with white characters but it's nice that there is a good amount of diversity.
Other than being diverse I just think the designs look good and modeled in high fidelity. Some of the faces have some uncanny valley happening but overall they look like real people.
They remind me of Until Dawn faces in sci fi suits. None of them are distinctly different at range which is a big issue for a game like this.
TharpDaddy
Member
What about her is any better to market? She's a generic looking woman in armor, her one defining characteristic is a heart on her chest. She looks like she could be from any sci-fi game. If I didn't see her in the context of this thread I would never know it's from LawBreakers, nothing about her is memorable or interesting -- that's an issue with every character in this game.
I think that's what constantly drives me away from the game. It's just so bland and sterile. Paragon pulls off the super high fidelity with actual good character design.
Keep seeing this, but that shitty CGI trailer was all over the place in my market for a good 6 weeks.
I'd say CGI doesn't sell anymore, but Overwatch captures the mindshare just fine.