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Ah, now that the Nazis can't claim that the killer was a leftist Bernie supporter I see they're trying to spread the idea that he is Jewish based on his mother's last name, Bloom.

Even though if you look up the etymology of Bloom as a surname, it could equally be Anglo-Saxon in origin.

And the fact that that wouldn't make any difference because he still killed people for fascism.

My god, I just can't stomach this anymore. We're all just too dumb. We're condoning this.

 

[linkboy]

Countries across Europe are currently shutting down and tackling Islamic extremism by using the legal system, intelligence services and counter measures. 'Pure violence' is only used in the wake of an attack to neutralise the attacker(s).

The US Government needs to start treat Neo-Nazis like we do in Europe. Along with all the other hate/radical groups and movements.

I agree, it's just a bit hard when you've got people like Jeff Sessions, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and Donald Trump is key positions of power.

These people aren't going to shut down Nazi rhetoric because they are in agreement with it.

Throw in the fact that police departments have been infected with these beliefs as well and you've got the current mess the US has now.

My god, I just can't stomach this anymore. We're all just too dumb. We're condoning this.

We've always condoned it. The United States is a country that was founded on the belief that all men are created equal, yet that only applied to white men. Racism has been a major aspect of this country since the day it was founded.

It's the ugly truth at Americans refuse to acknowledge.

 

[Slayven]

"I don't support Nazis, I just defend them until my fingers bleed"

Always the same cycle

 

[isamu]

The face of hate. Right here folks. Thankfully he's been charged with 1st degree murder.

 

[Not]

And we have a legal system in place to deal with this.

Oh, thank god. Phew.

 

[Impeccable]

No terrorist charges on that cunt? :/

 

[kmax]

And we have a legal system in place to deal with this.

When you have a government that won't actually condemn a violent ideology, it emboldens that very ideology and weakens the people being brutalized by it.

The reason why it's different in many other countries is because those countries don't fuck around by emboldening them and their hatred. They shut that shit down. There would of, and there should of been a strong police presence to control the situation. Instead, we have a president that is too afraid to take a stance against the very cancer that is plauging this country.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

While it's certainly cathartic seeing a Nazi saluter get punched in the face, it's also concerning to see people calling for more attacks without any coherent social policy or legal authority behind it, and at the same time not making a distinction between self-defense and proactive or preemptive violence (and in some cases intentionally conflating the two). So, I have two questions:

1) Are you for punching non-violent Nazis in the face without adapting free speech laws (similar to Germany's)? Or are you also advocating that we re-examine free speech laws to outlaw certain speech that is unequivocally objectionable? Because if it's the former, you're now advocating for something that is illegal, to stop something that is legal. How is that a coherent and sustainable policy? You'll notice that Germans don't have to punch Nazis who perform public demonstrations, because they get arrested.

2) Are you suggesting that MLK was wrong about...everything? Because that is the implication. If not, how do you reconcile the two?

How do you change the rules/laws, if the people who make them have a safe zone where they're allowed to speak like this? What's going to change with just talking if it hasn't already?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

No terrorist charges on that cunt? :/

That'll depend on Sessions, sooo..

 

[Slayven]

While it's certainly cathartic seeing a Nazi saluter get punched in the face, it's also concerning to see people calling for more attacks without any coherent social policy or legal authority behind it, and at the same time not making a distinction between self-defense and proactive or preemptive violence (and in some cases intentionally conflating the two). So, I have two questions:

1) Are you for punching non-violent Nazis in the face without adapting free speech laws (similar to Germany's)? Or are you also advocating that we re-examine free speech laws to outlaw certain speech that is unequivocally objectionable? Because if it's the former, you're now advocating for something that is illegal, to stop something that is legal. How is that a coherent and sustainable policy? You'll notice that Germans don't have to punch Nazis who perform public demonstrations, because they get arrested.

2) Are you suggesting that MLK was wrong about...everything? Because that is the implication. If not, how do you reconcile the two?

First there is no such thing as a nonviolent Nazi. Their ideology is genocide

Second stop slandering MLK

 

[KeyBladerXIII]

I stopped on CNN to see what they were talking about and Trump's Homeland Security advisor is absolutely refusing to call the protesters Nazi and Klan members. It's honestly hilarious how he's ducking and dodging.

He just goes on and on about the driver being the main problem when it's not.

 

[Not]

No terrorist charges on that cunt? :/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_people_imprisoned_on_charges_of_terrorism

There would be a lot more white people on this list, if only they didn't have "mental illness" or "their whole lives ahead of them" or other nebulous justifications.

 

[Alcotholic]

Any Nazi protesting without repercussions is appeasement and acceptance.

The reason they are more public is because they are less afraid. Being more public helps recruit. Fuck them all

That woman is baller.

 

[Audioboxer]

good you added the second paragraph as that is the crucial part. if our government was actually taking steps to treat this group as a domestic terrorist group, the call to arms against it wouldn't be as violent and zero tolerant as it is becoming. but we have a president who can't even say the fucking words and call it what it is. when the people don't have the safety of the government to protect them and their families domestically and fight people aiming to exterminate them, they will do it themselves. that's how it's always been

I agree, it's just a bit hard when you've got people like Jeff Sessions, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller and Donald Trump is key positions of power.

These people aren't going to shut down Nazi rhetoric because they are in agreement with it.

Throw in the fact that police departments have been infected with these beliefs as well and you've got the current mess the US has now.

I agree with both of you and have shown that compassion. It's just a fact though the same legal system failing you will be used against you if you start attacking and/or killing on your own terms. It's why America is in such a shitty place and why Europe looks on at times and sighs.

Apart from grieving the next step for most you right now is you need to get the Dem party firing on all cylinders and it might be a good time about now to start actively searching for Americans who can vote who aren't. Especially when your turnout figures are in the 50's, sometimes low 50's. A 'political revolution' can do a lot of good, and if this presidential term in just 6 months isn't enough of a wake-up call for even another 5~15% of the non-voters then I don't know what the fuck would be?

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

Probably not quite what people are saying (even although some have gone in hard on you), most are just trying to get you to be clearer on your positions or offer more up than one-liners. Just have a think about what is going on and reflect on why there is so much angst.

 

[Sony]

You probably need to try and add a bit more meat to your arguments. See below for a generic 'legal response' to "I'm going to go and attack/kill some Nazis". Because it's lacking in compassion it will understandably rile people up, just keep that in mind... People are raw in the wake of an attack and feeling a lot of anger, upset, frustration and despair. To many, it will feel like you're playing contrarian to wind them up (the violence is NEVER the answer angle), but there are undeniable facts about operating within the law as a civilian and not having yourself liable to face arrest/jail time for violence.



If someone wants to respond to you with fuck the consequences, then all you can really do is leave them be. It's probably just expressing anger and frustration, but if they do actually go out of their home and do anything they are responsible for the consequences they face. Not you. Most people posting understandably rarely say "I'm going to do x", just generic responses they want Nazis put down. As direct "I'm going to..." can get them in hot water for expressing intent, and yes, most people don't actually want their lives to be "over" by going to prison. Instead, it's more a case of "I maybe won't do it, but I won't be upset if someone else does".

All of this is ultimately happening due to where America currently is. You have to be honest and simply accept neo-Nazis walking around with assault rifles in other countries would not be tolerated or accepted. It's just not alright it can happen in America.

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

Edit: This proves that my posts are taken out of context and molded into a certain narrative:

Congrats guys, we got him to whittle down "violence is never the answer" to "not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people."

This post seems to suggest that I said that violence is never justified. I didn't. What I said was:

Violence isn't the answer.

In response to a person that said to want more violence and I've stated numerous times already that I'm against the form of violence where the Neo-Nazi's/alt right is actively tracked down and attacked. Never did I say that I condemn all violence against Neo-Nazi's/alt-right. This proves again that my posts aren't being read. There is no point in discussing.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

Geezuz..

 

[Psychoward]

Gandhi achieved radical change in India through non-violent protests. He correctly assumed that offering peace in retaliation to the violence around them would shake the nation and reveal the perpetrators as the villains they are to the world at large. Granted his views were INSANELY peace-minded... to the point he also believed the Jewish people should've thrown themselves upon the Nazi swords instead of resisting since "they died anyway".

So I'll leave it to MLK and Dietrich Bonhoeffer to summarize non-violent protests vs violent retaliation:

Gandhi wasn't the only reason India changed and MLK wasn't the only reason the civil rights bill was passed and I really wish people would stop saying shit like this.

 

[KarmaCow]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

Congratulations on making yourself the victim in a thread about people who were maimed and killed.

 

[FunkyMunkey]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

once again you pick and choose what to reply to and then play the victim card in a thread about a domestic terrorist attack. don't let the door hit you on the way out ✌️

 

[Ozigizo]

Geezuz..

I mean, it happens every time.

"Here's some indefensible bullshit at the worst possible time!"

"Fuck you guys I'm out."

 

[broncobuster]

Congratulations on making yourself the victim in a thread about people who were maimed and killed.

That says it all, really.

 

[Psychoward]

And we have a legal system in place to deal with this.

The same legal system that refuses to label neo-nazis a terrorist group or institute hate speech laws and has a large history of racial bias with white supremacists at the highest positions of power? That one?

 

[Not]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

Congrats guys, we got him to whittle down "violence is never the answer" to "not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people."

 

[royalan]

Congratulations on making yourself the victim in a thread about people who were maimed and killed.

The Moderate, everyone.

 

[Swig_]

Utah.

I was reading the comments on KSL.com.. Idiot right wingers bringing Obama and liberals into this. /facepalm

 

[WhatNXt]

The face of hate. Right here folks. Thankfully he's been charged with 1st degree murder.

Virginia has the death penalty right?

And I believe attempting to murder multiple people, as Neville Longbottom here did, is a capital crime.

I wouldn't shed a tear. It would set a bold underlined example.

 

[Zakalwe]

First there is no such thing as a nonviolent Nazi. Their ideology is genocide

This needs to be something taught to children at an early level.

Like, maybe some kind of log of current events we could pass down over the years to ensure this shit doesn't happen again.

 

[Psychoward]

Thinking ignoring nazis isn't the correct way to solve this isn't the same thing as calling for manhunts to exterminate neo-nazis lmfao

 

[Impotaku]

The face of hate. Right here folks. Thankfully he's been charged with 1st degree murder.

Dat murican purity right there, rot in jail you piece of shit. (not aimed at the poster i quoted)

 

[Impeccable]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

You are super selective with who and what you reply to, not willing to engage those calling out your hypocrisy in single posts and play the victim with reductionist statements. Whether or not you intend to, you are note for note copying the play book of concern trolls.

 

[Alcotholic]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

Hey, man. Don't take random people on the internet so personally. This isn't about you, it's about the people who were hurt, the white supremacists who hurt them, and our country. People will act on how they feel and if they go outside of the law, that's their deal.

 

[TyrantII]

First there is no such thing as a nonviolent Nazi. Their ideology is genocide

Second stop slandering MLK

Lol. Oh boy.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

"I don't support Nazis, I just defend them until my fingers bleed"

Always the same cycle

And always will be. No one will ever think that defending Nazis might be a bad idea.

 

[Rock And Roll]

The face of hate. Right here folks. Thankfully he's been charged with 1st degree murder.

 

[royalan]

Thinking ignoring nazis isn't the correct way to solve this isn't the same thing as calling for manhunts to exterminate neo-nazis lmfao

Exactly.

I mean, and I admit this is morbid, but the only reason I think people aren't more outraged is because there weren't more deaths. But, I mean, there ALMOST were.

Looking at every video...this man meant to plow through that entire crowd. The only reason he didn't were the cars he likely couldn't see. If that car weren't there, we'd be talking about a mass murder right now. But people are asking for a more measured response to fucking white nationalist/Nazi terrorism???

This is embarrassing and shameful.

 

[Slayven]

I mean, it happens every time.

"Here's some indefensible bullshit at the worst possible time!"

"Fuck you guys I'm out."

once again you pick and choose what to reply to and then play the victim card in a thread about a domestic terrorist attack. don't let the door hit you on the way out ✌️

It's the new playbook

 

[Shin K Dash]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Oh look we finally got the "I'm out!" post!

 

[Ozigizo]

Ah, now that the Nazis can't claim that the killer was a leftist Bernie supporter I see they're trying to spread the idea that he is Jewish based on his mother's last name, Bloom.

Even though if you look up the etymology of Bloom as a surname, it could equally be Anglo-Saxon in origin.

And the fact that that wouldn't make any difference because he still killed people for fascism.

I mean, they're currently claiming that Soros bused in both the counter-protestors and the Nazis.

 

[Slayven]

Oh look we finally got the "I'm out!" post!

I wish they just skip to that, save everyone a lot if time

 

[Anung]

The face of hate. Right here folks. Thankfully he's been charged with 1st degree murder.

Look at this WOLL SMOTH faced looking motherfucker. Master race my ass.

 

[Not]

I mean, they're also claiming that Soros bused in both the counter-protestors and the Nazis.

The one thing society needs to accomplish pronto is a way to figure out how to render dumb people completely harmless. Right now I'm at gun control and VR porn. Still working on it

 

[Regulus Tera]

And we have a legal system in place to deal with this.

Reminder that Jeff Sessions heads the Department of Justice

 

[MCN]

The one thing society needs to accomplish pronto is a way to figure out how to render dumb people completely harmless.

Make alcohol free and remove the safety warnings from everything. Pretty soon the gene pool will clean itself.

 

[Psychoward]

The one thing society needs to accomplish pronto is a way to figure out how to render dumb people completely harmless. Right now I'm at gun control and VR porn. Still working on it

Don't you dare slander VR porn

 

[Not]

Don't you dare slander VR porn

I'm not. It may yet save us all.

 

[TyrantII]

Gandhi wasn't the only reason India changed and MLK wasn't the only reason the civil rights bill was passed and I really wish people would stop saying shit like this.

Yup, as much as it sucks to say a bunch of old white men pushed through the CRA when MLKs death and agonizing nonviolence from millions of protestors gave them cover to do so during the outrage of the actions put against them.

The right is very good at false equivalency. They are very good at making a claim to law and order to put down violence and enact their evil ends. They want violence, because they know how to direct it to their own ends, and the left can't because of what the left stands for.

As much as I like to see a Nazi punched in the head, outside of open war the only path is to left them hang themselves and show their evil for what it is. That gives cover for political action, and brings coalitions together to stop it.

It's exactly why ANTIFA is being hammered so hard on the right. They very much need a villian to justify their violence, otherwise their claim to legitimacy falls apart.

Be smart people. They know your angry and irrational. They're counting on it.

 

[theCalamity]

Thanks again for the insight. I'm out though, apparantly I'm a Nazi sympathizer for not agreeing with actively tracking down and attacking Neo-Nazi's/alt-right people.

Edit: This proves that my posts are taken out of context and molded into a certain narrative:



This post seems to suggest that I said that violence is never justified. I didn't. What I said was:



In response to a person that said to want more violence and I've stated numerous times already that I'm against the form of violence where the Neo-Nazi's/alt right is actively tracked down and attacked. Never did I say that I condemn all violence against Neo-Nazi's/alt-right. This proves again that my posts aren't being read. There is no point in discussing.

So when is violence the answer?

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

I mean, they're currently claiming that Soros bused in both the counter-protestors and the Nazis.

It won't take long until we have Sandy Hook like conspiracy theories about this event.

 

[zoukka]

So when is violence the answer?

When it's 100% clear it will prevent violence towards the innocent and there are no other alternatives available.