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[Wuiji]

Also I'm seriously loling at people thinking Mcgregor was a good example of how to be graceful in a loss. Complaining about the stoppage for half his post fight interview, right after downplaying Floyd's speed, is hardly an example of grace. Why does Conor have to be seen as unparalleled when it comes to everything?

It's probably the same fewels who think that Conor shouting you's a beetch, fook youse was top level trash talk.

 

[luchadork]

MMA fans (not all obviously as some also watch boxing and have a sense of perspective) have been saying it is far superior to boxing and that the fighters are more skilled not just overall but at the disciplines that collectively make up the MMA. It is why we saw the arguments that McGregor would bring stuff boxing has never seen before when in fact it has all been seen before and just pale imitations as it isn't focused on one discipline.

A lot of what we are hearing now is just spin because if you break it down this was the easiest professional fight that Mayweather had in his career, it looked like a light sparing session for Floyd much of the fight and Coner was blowing after the second, on top of that Floyd is a 40yo out of retirement against one of the big stars of UFC in their prime who is suppose to be one of the heavy hitters but his punches didn't do a thing and lacked any snap. It must mean a lot to some because we are still hearing people say Conor won 3 rounds, he didn't he won one. Also highlighting that he landed more punches than Pac even though besides the first round Mayweather was pretty much open the entire fight and was happily taking hits without flinching, whereas the first proper hit Coner took he looked spooked and his body language and style completely changed.

There is also the race issue I think The Guardian put it best: "They figured out long ago that more fans would hand over their scratch to watch him lose than to watch him win and they rode the formula to more than $1bn in revenue based on an inconvenient truth: there will always be a market for some in America for the possibility of watching an unapologetic black fighter getting beaten."

sorry. as a boxing fan first and an mma fan second, this is such bullshit. i didnt think mcgregor would even land a punch. but i had him win the first 3 easily. then mayweather turned on the engines and ripped away. i had maybe the 8th going to conor too. i dont think mayweather was ever in any danger but give the guy some fucking credit. he did way better than most boxing fans expected.

and objectively, ufc IS more exciting overall than boxing. just look at the fucking undercards of a ufc event compared to the undercard of this, the biggest event in history. and i think ufc fans have a point, if it was fight, a fight fight, conor would smoke mayweather. he's the better overall fighter. again. i never actually believed conors boxing would trouble mayweather though. i had him losing both diaz fights. but i want to seperate that first part out from that.

and finally, the heel/face thing isnt based on race. its based on being the bad guy. its conor's schtick too. and ronda. and brock lesnar. but then you have someone like anderson silva who is a face. so its not race.

and in mayweathers case he's an undefeated trashtalker with a history of domestic violence who flashes his wealth. of course people are gonna want to see him get beaten up. its bullshit to put it down to race. especially in boxing.

 

[GoldenCrow]

sorry. as a boxing fan first and an mma fan second, this is such bullshit. i didnt think mcgregor would even land a punch. but i had him win the first 3 easily. then mayweather turned on the engines and ripped away. i had maybe the 8th going to conor too. i dont think mayweather was ever in any danger but give the guy some fucking credit. he did way better than most boxing fans expected.

and objectively, ufc IS more exciting overall than boxing. just look at the fucking undercards of a ufc event compared to the undercard of this, the biggest event in history. and i think ufc fans have a point, if it was fight, a fight fight, conor would smoke mayweather. he's the better overall fighter. again. i never actually believed conors boxing would trouble mayweather though. i had him losing both diaz fights. but i want to seperate that first part out from that.

and finally, the heel/face thing isnt based on race. its based on being the bad guy. its conor's schtick too. and ronda. and brock lesnar. but then you have someone like anderson silva who is a face. so its not race.

and in mayweathers case he's an undefeated trashtalker with a history of domestic violence who flashes his wealth. of course people are gonna want to see him get beaten up. its bullshit to put it down to race. especially in boxing.

Look at the score card. regardless of what you say he only won one.

It was a boxing match not mixed martial arts or a street fight. It is down to boxing ability and nothing more. Conor was severely lacking and showed no quality in this regard, he had good counter punch timing but those punches were basic with no snap and poor form. Oh yeah he also switched stances well but that didn't really do much.

Race is a big part of boxing in America. Has been for a long time and extremely well documented and actively manipulated by promoter but yeah he is also repugnant.

 

[Tom_Cody]

Yeah it should be a fight full of fire works and a lot more visceral and action packed in a substantial way. Some random Canelo gifs

I absolutely can't wait for GGG-Canelo.

 

[Wuiji]

I love how Conor keeps going, "He was so composed!" as though this surprises him somehow?

 

[_illmatic_]

sorry. as a boxing fan first and an mma fan second, this is such bullshit. i didnt think mcgregor would even land a punch. but i had him win the first 3 easily. then mayweather turned on the engines and ripped away. i had maybe the 8th going to conor too. i dont think mayweather was ever in any danger but give the guy some fucking credit. he did way better than most boxing fans expected.

and objectively, ufc IS more exciting overall than boxing. just look at the fucking undercards of a ufc event compared to the undercard of this, the biggest event in history. and i think ufc fans have a point, if it was fight, a fight fight, conor would smoke mayweather. he's the better overall fighter. again. i never actually believed conors boxing would trouble mayweather though. i had him losing both diaz fights. but i want to seperate that first part out from that.

and finally, the heel/face thing isnt based on race. its based on being the bad guy. its conor's schtick too. and ronda. and brock lesnar. but then you have someone like anderson silva who is a face. so its not race.

and in mayweathers case he's an undefeated trashtalker with a history of domestic violence who flashes his wealth. of course people are gonna want to see him get beaten up. its bullshit to put it down to race. especially in boxing.

The difference isn't giving the guy some credit it was 40 yo no power punches Mayweather literally walking through as you put it "the better fighter overall". There was no strong left hand, there were no angles. Floyd didn't even do anything he typically would do in a normal boxing match. Most fans were yelling he'll get a KO, now we giving him credit when he effectively did nothing? "If this was a real fight" not a UFC sanctioned event there will probably be guns and weapons involved and Conor might get killed. All these "ifs" Your bias is showing a little bit.

 

[KiLLaDeZo]

sorry. as a boxing fan first and an mma fan second, this is such bullshit. i didnt think mcgregor would even land a punch. but i had him win the first 3 easily. then mayweather turned on the engines and ripped away. i had maybe the 8th going to conor too. i dont think mayweather was ever in any danger but give the guy some fucking credit. he did way better than most boxing fans expected.

and objectively, ufc IS more exciting overall than boxing. just look at the fucking undercards of a ufc event compared to the undercard of this, the biggest event in history. and i think ufc fans have a point, if it was fight, a fight fight, conor would smoke mayweather. he's the better overall fighter. again. i never actually believed conors boxing would trouble mayweather though. i had him losing both diaz fights. but i want to seperate that first part out from that.

and finally, the heel/face thing isnt based on race. its based on being the bad guy. its conor's schtick too. and ronda. and brock lesnar. but then you have someone like anderson silva who is a face. so its not race.

and in mayweathers case he's an undefeated trashtalker with a history of domestic violence who flashes his wealth. of course people are gonna want to see him get beaten up. its bullshit to put it down to race. especially in boxing.

As a boxing fan I would expect you to understand that conor got played. If you cant see that you clearly are not a boxing fan or dont understand what boxing is about.

 

[Soph]

Shameful display

 

[y2dvd]

Are y'all telling me fighters who focus solely on one type of attack is going to be stronger in say...punching than fighters that has to balance out their offensive weapons? Color me surprise!

 

[Always-honest]

Yeah it should be a fight full of fire works and a lot more visceral and action packed in a substantial way. Some random Canelo gifs

Damn... that's a good boxer.

 

[User Name Here]

Wow. He really just said he gasses out in 9-10 then gets a miracle second wind in rounds 11-12

Lol... That's after he wakes up from being knocked out of course.

 

[luchadork]

The difference isn't giving the guy some credit it was 40 yo no power punches Mayweather literally walking through as you put it "the better fighter overall". There was no strong left hand, there were no angles. Floyd didn't even do anything he typically would do in a normal boxing match. Most fans were yelling he'll get a KO, now we giving him credit when he effectively did nothing? "If this was a real fight" not a UFC sanctioned event there will probably be guns and weapons involved and Conor might get killed. All these "ifs" Your bias is showing a little bit.

what bias?

i dont see how he's gonna stand a chance against mayweather. like. absolutely no chance. it would take some sort of next level insanity for mayweather to throw away 30+ years of experience and get caught against a guy in his first boxing match. like, pure insanity. mayweathers defense is so fucking tight. its the best of all time. to think that he'll let a guy through who couldnt out BOX diaz, like, my head would fucking explode if that happened.

 

[PR_rambo]

Damn... that's a good boxer.

He's phenomenal. Really improved over time.
And Floyd absolutely outclassed him when they fought.

 

[Angelus Errare]

The difference isn't giving the guy some credit it was 40 yo no power punches Mayweather literally walking through as you put it "the better fighter overall". There was no strong left hand, there were no angles. Floyd didn't even do anything he typically would do in a normal boxing match. Most fans were yelling he'll get a KO, now we giving him credit when he effectively did nothing? "If this was a real fight" not a UFC sanctioned event there will probably be guns and weapons involved and Conor might get killed. All these "ifs" Your bias is showing a little bit.

Pretty much, Floyd played this as if he was sparring with a friend who never boxed a day in his life...

 

[ryutaro's mama]

He's phenomenal. Really improved over time.
And Floyd absolutely outclassed him when they fought.

Exactly and that is why when I keep reading people claim that MacGregor "held his own" in this fight makes me chuckle. Mayweather was never in trouble in the slightest and literally ended it when he was ready to.

He carried that fight for 10 rounds which allowed for both fighters to "win". Floyd gets the obvious 50-0 win and Conor gets the "win" by "holding his own".

He actually had to fight Canelo. Canelo wouldn't carry MacGregor for 10 rounds. He would get him outta there in under 5.

 

[_illmatic_]

what bias?
"i think ufc fans have a point, if it was fight, a fight fight, conor would smoke mayweather. he's the better overall fighter."

What's a "fight fight"? He didn't look much like the "better overall fighter" Saturday night. Just looking at the way he punches tells you that. He just couldn't stop bending his wrist. No flush connections. Didn't even see any of his 28 year old prime bouncing heads off the canvas power.

 

[Ikuu]

He would get him outta there in under 5.

I don't think he lasts a round with GGG or Canelo.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I don't think he lasts a round with GGG or Canelo.

I was being overly generous.

 

[luchadork]

What's a "fight fight"? He didn't look much like the "better overall fighter" Saturday night. Just looking at the way he punches tells you that. He just couldn't stop bending his wrist. No flush connections. Didn't even see any of his 28 year old prime bouncing heads off the canvas power.

ie, if there were kicks and takedowns. the overall skill set. in the context of the guy i was replying to, that mcgregor has a better overall fighting skill set than mayweather. obviously it doesnt mean SHIT when it comes to boxing. but its what i was referring to.

MMA fans (not all obviously as some also watch boxing and have a sense of perspective) have been saying it is far superior to boxing and that the fighters are more skilled not just overall but at the disciplines that collectively make up the MMA

i dont have a bias towards mcgregor. like i said, i've got multiple posts on neogaf alone where i gave him zero chance. i'm just saying i thought he did better than i was expecting in a boxing match against arguably the greatest of all time. even though he never troubled mayweather i never even expected him to land a solid punch let alone win a round.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I don't think he lasts a round with GGG or Canelo.

Canelo would lay McGregor out 41 seconds into the fight.

i dont have a bias towards mcgregor. like i said, i've got multiple posts on neogaf alone where i gave him zero chance. i'm just saying i thought he did better than i was expecting in a boxing match against arguably the greatest of all time. even though he never troubled mayweather i never even expected him to land a solid punch let alone win a round.

I mean it's pretty obvious Mayweather let him win the round lol.

 

[_illmatic_]

i dont have a bias towards mcgregor. like i said, i've got multiple posts on neogaf alone where i gave him zero chance. i'm just saying i thought he did better than i was expecting in a boxing match against arguably the greatest of all time. even though he never troubled mayweather i never even expected him to land a solid punch let alone win a round.

That's fair enough, but does that deserve much credit when Mayweather's whole plan was just to walk forward and let Conor throw punches at will until the later rounds? From my point of view Conor threw what he wanted and had zero power behind any if them. He might not have connected flush with anything, but there was not a single punch that looked to have power that you'll usually see in a 28 year old Welterweight boxer.

Not talking movement, combos, distance, just power in a punch. I think boxing gets shunned against MMA lots of times because of the kicks elbows, etc. But in general it doesn't seem like the power is there from somebody just throwing a punch.

 

[GoldenCrow]

i dont have a bias towards mcgregor. like i said, i've got multiple posts on neogaf alone where i gave him zero chance. i'm just saying i thought he did better than i was expecting in a boxing match against arguably the greatest of all time. even though he never troubled mayweather i never even expected him to land a solid punch let alone win a round.

If Mayweather fought properly he might not have but he was open and exposed himself regularly, he also lead with his head many times in a way an experienced boxer would have at the very least connected with but Coner failed to even move on it. A lot of the time it looked like Mayweather was trying to create a more entertaining fight and prevent Coner from getting points deducted.

I bet a lot of boxers he fought over the years would have loved to have gone against him fighting like that because that would have been an easy fight and easy money.

 

[_illmatic_]

If Mayweather fought properly he might not have but he was open and exposed himself regularly, he also lead with his head many times in a way an experienced boxer would have at the very least connected with but Coner failed to even move on it. A lot of the time it looked like Mayweather was trying to create a more entertaining fight and prevent Coner from getting points deducted.

I bet a lot of boxers he fought over the years would have loved to have gone against him fighting like that because that would have been an easy fight and easy money.

BINGO!, I can understand why some feel it was more entertaining than Mayweather v Pacquiao. Punch stats say Conor landed more punches on Mayweather than Pacquiao did, let that sink in.......what could be the difference between those two fights I wonder? Lol

 

[luchadork]

i dont disagree with what you guys are saying lol.

i legit thought conor would swang and get lit up within maybe 2 or 3. its a fucking carny fight between the goat and a guy making his pro debut who isnt even the best boxer in ufc imo.

instead he made it to round 10. landed at least a punch (lol). and won a fucking round. i just think he deserves some credit. and thats coming from a guy who's spent the last 2 or 3 months shitting on him.

 

[Angelus Errare]

i dont disagree with what you guys are saying lol.

i legit thought conor would swang and get lit up within maybe 2 or 3. its a fucking carny fight between the goat and a guy making his pro debut who isnt even the best boxer in ufc imo.

instead he made it to round 10. landed at least a punch (lol). and won a fucking round. i just think he deserves some credit. and thats coming from a guy who's spent the last 2 or 3 months shitting on him.

Credit for what? Being carried 10 rounds? Mayweather allowing McGregor to land weak punches? Letting McGregor win a round?

Not sure why McGregor should get credit for Mayweather's generosity lol.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

i dont disagree with what you guys are saying lol.

i legit thought conor would swang and get lit up within maybe 2 or 3. its a fucking carny fight between the goat and a guy making his pro debut who isnt even the best boxer in ufc imo.

instead he made it to round 10. landed at least a punch (lol). and won a fucking round. i just think he deserves some credit. and thats coming from a guy who's spent the last 2 or 3 months shitting on him.

If Mayweather fought MacGregor the way he fought Canelo, does it go 10 rounds? Mayweather wasn't looking to finish MacGregor or most importantly, embarrass him.

He was looking for a decisive victory that wouldn't go to the judges.

Neither fighter lost face in this bout. That is the remarkable aspect of all this.

It was a master stroke of a promotion.

 

[shintoki]

i dont disagree with what you guys are saying lol.

i legit thought conor would swang and get lit up within maybe 2 or 3. its a fucking carny fight between the goat and a guy making his pro debut who isnt even the best boxer in ufc imo.

instead he made it to round 10. landed at least a punch (lol). and won a fucking round. i just think he deserves some credit. and thats coming from a guy who's spent the last 2 or 3 months shitting on him.

Conor deserves props for stepping in the ring and having the stamina to last as long as he did against the world's best. He did have some solid footwork and bobbing, I'll give him that. Definitely a take away skill from UFC. But at no time did he really pose a threat to Floyd, like expected.

This was the best outcome for Floyd. An early win would have soured people and left a bad taste in their mouths. People wouldn't want to buy his next show(If he does it) and people would be less interested in his merchandise.

But he still needed to put Conor down on the ground before the end.

This is without a doubt what Floyd wanted and he played his game to the T. The fact people are saying Conor held is own is telling to how well Floyd sold him. Viewers left happy for a glorified exhibition match.

Hell, this probably helped a piece of shit like Floyd's image even. He showed his skill, sold Conor, and came out looking like a respectable champ. Didn't even open his mouth too much prior. It's probably the best Floyd has ever looked as a person.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

I keep hearing about how Conner deserves 'credit'. I guess that's all his fans want to talk about now. I suppose he deserves credit for standing on his feet that long...

 

[PR_rambo]

I keep hearing about how Conner deserves 'credit'. I guess that's all his fans want to talk about now. I suppose he deserves credit for standing on his feet that long...

He does deserve credit, participating in a sport where you get hit in the head repeatedly is a brave endeavor.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

Conor deserves props for stepping in the ring and having the stamina to last as long as he did against the world's best. He did have some solid footwork and bobbing, I'll give him that. Definitely a take away skill from UFC. But at no time did he really pose a threat to Floyd, like expected.

No he didn't.

You punch with your legs. Conor never brought them with him when attacking. That's precisely why Floyd was willing to eat those punches.

 

[_illmatic_]

He does deserve credit, participating in a sport where you get hit in the head repeatedly is a brave endeavor.

Congratulations to all contact sports and combat sports.

 

[GeordieMark]

I keep hearing about how Conner deserves 'credit'. I guess that's all his fans want to talk about now. I suppose he deserves credit for standing on his feet that long...

I'd give anyone who gets in the ring credit. It doesn't mean I think he give Floyd any problems or looked like a boxer, but it takes guts to put your body on the line. It's easy for people who've never been in a boxing ring to laugh at him.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

Yes, I have seen plenty of boxing matches.

From compatriot Olympians like Teófilo Stevenson, Félix Savon, et al to modern WBC wonders like Floyd Mayweather and early Y. Gamboa.

I'm not a so called pundit, and certainly not a snob, but I've been around boxing all my life.

McGregor has speed and accuracy. In my opinion those are major assets.

He needs pacing and composure to manage his stamina, and that comes with training and experience.

After seeing his speed anticipating Floyd's attacks I definitely see him standing a chance in the ring against heavier hitters.

But he's 29. So it may be too late for a big paradigm shift.

How the hell have you seen boxing and think that? The last several rounds was McGassed walking around, hugging, and throwing empty punches that might injure a kitten if it's not in a defensive position. His hands were completely down and he hugged May many times a round when he wasn't throwing punches that did 0 damage. The punches towards the second half of the fight were so wack, that Flloy wasn't even trying to defend that much anymore. He has no skill or technique on top of a pitiful motor. His punches for such a strong hitter from the UFC were soft as shit as well.

That was a pathetic display. I don't blame mcGassed for it mind you, the dude is a genius businessman/marketer and has amazing charisma to make so much money out of a silly fight. But you saying you watch boxing and considering McGassed as someone who has a chance to be a pro boxer when a 40 year old 2-year retire with bad hands just had the easiest pro win of his 50 W career by a landslide. A heavy hitter is going to pulverize him if he's not cut in the first few rounds because he has no motor at all. That was obvious in the UFC, let alone in boxing where it's far more important as was evident in this fight.

McGassed literally needs a hit to the chin in the first 3 rounds that catches them completely off guard, or any elite competent boxer is going to rock and embarrass him.

Congratulations to all contact sports and combat sports.

lmao

 

[mr jones]

Silva is the greatest striker I've seen in mma.

He was scary. He made legit fighters look like scrubs. Prime Silva was a damn force of nature.

Shame how he went out. *shudder*

 

[SallyIsNow]

I'd give anyone who gets in the ring credit. It doesn't mean I think he give Floyd any problems or looked like a boxer, but it takes guts to put your body on the line. It's easy for people who've never been in a boxing ring to laugh at him.

Anyone would get in the ring for that much money.

 

[Always-honest]

Conor deserves props for stepping in the ring and having the stamina to last as long as he did against the world's best. He did have some solid footwork and bobbing, I'll give him that. Definitely a take away skill from UFC. But at no time did he really pose a threat to Floyd, like expected.

This was the best outcome for Floyd. An early win would have soured people and left a bad taste in their mouths. People wouldn't want to buy his next show(If he does it) and people would be less interested in his merchandise.

But he still needed to put Conor down on the ground before the end.

This is without a doubt what Floyd wanted and he played his game to the T. The fact people are saying Conor held is own is telling to how well Floyd sold him. Viewers left happy for a glorified exhibition match.

Hell, this probably helped a piece of shit like Floyd's image even. He showed his skill, sold Conor, and came out looking like a respectable champ. Didn't even open his mouth too much prior. It's probably the best Floyd has ever looked as a person.

This. It could have ended much sooner.

 

[Angelus Errare]

I'd give anyone who gets in the ring credit. It doesn't mean I think he give Floyd any problems or looked like a boxer, but it takes guts to put your body on the line. It's easy for people who've never been in a boxing ring to laugh at him.

Is this where we're at now?

 

[GoldenCrow]

I'd give anyone who gets in the ring credit. It doesn't mean I think he give Floyd any problems or looked like a boxer, but it takes guts to put your body on the line. It's easy for people who've never been in a boxing ring to laugh at him.

He is a professional fighter getting in the ring is his job. Getting in the ring is the bare minimum.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Skip is in rare form this morning.

Making some of the arguments made in this very thread.

#keekeekeeing

 

[GeordieMark]

Is this where we're at now?

You can't ignore that Conor took a risk. Fair play to him for that. He's not a boxer and he put himself in front of the best of his generation. He was completely outclassed, as expected, but credit to him for getting out of his comfort zone and having a go.

Also to the poster saying he's a pro fighter, yeah, but in a different sport.

There are plenty of boxers giving him credit for the same reason, and I'll go with them rather than you lot.

 

[Sephzilla]

It is possible for Conor to hold his own while Mayweather wasn't exactly in that much danger. Conor exceeded what I expected and Mayweather still showed why he was one of the best ever.

That being said...

My rough prediction is that Floyd wins in round 9 or 10 by referee stoppage/TKO. Even though it's Floyd's style, he's not going to want Conor going 12.

 

[kinggroin]

I keep hearing about how Conner deserves 'credit'. I guess that's all his fans want to talk about now. I suppose he deserves credit for standing on his feet that long...

I don't think anyone deserves anything, but he definitely earned points just for stepping in, and not looking completely useless. Granted, that's mostly on Floyd, but Conor still has to land shots - they weren't gifted to him in the sense that GGG let's someone tee off.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Conor would have died before round 12. Floyd not wanting round 12...lol.

Floyd could have gone the classic 15 against this fighter.

 

[Sephzilla]

Conor would have died before round 12. Floyd not wanting round 12...lol.

Floyd could have gone the classic 15 against this fighter.

You do know that pre-fight Floyd said he didn't want to go 12, right

 

[NyMartin90]

I can't believe the narrative Skip Bayless was trying to make.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

You do know that pre-fight Floyd said he didn't want to go 12, right

Floyd said it wouldn't go 12 because he would end it before that point.

Your post made it sound like he didn't want it to go the distance.

 

[SallyIsNow]

I can't believe the narrative Skip Bayless was trying to make.

Dude's either saying stupid shit because he's a moron, or saying stupid shit for attention. The less talked about him the better.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I can't believe the narrative Skip Bayless was trying to make.

Skip is Skip.

Shouldn't surprise you.

 

[Sephzilla]

Floyd said it wouldn't go 12 because he would end it before that point.

Your post made it sound like he didn't want it to go the distance.

I mean, in order to fulfill his promise of knocking out Conor he sort of has to not want it to go the distance. We're basically arguing semantics since we're both saying the same thing.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I mean, in order to fulfill his promise of knocking out Conor he sort of has to not want it to go 12. We're basically arguing semantics since we're both saying the same thing.

I can see that.

One of those is confidence, the other is concern.

That is what I am saying.