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[TheLegendaryN]

The timing for the MHW announcement was at the 100% right time for Sony.

It's time for MH fans to buy a new system. Should they buy a Switch, where they can play an HD version of a game they bought five months ago? Or should they buy a PS4, where they can play the next main installment of the series that is designed to be HD, innovates the series, and is completely new?

And now the MC thread is surprised MHXXNS didn't surpass 100k FW...

 

[schuelma]

If MHXX was worth jumping in for then

1) you would have seen higher sales on the 3DS in March
2) you would have seen higher sales on the Switch last week

I'd strongly advise looking at the quality of the title itself and pondering why it wasn't received as well as previous entries before World was announced.

You're not responding to my point. I'll take your word for it that the game wasn't that well received. That doesn't mean Capcom has maximized sales here.

 

[DeuceGamer]

Nice hardware bump for Switch again. Hopefully it will stay above 50k moving forward. With Mario and Rabbids launching yesterday in the west, I wonder if they have/will divert any systems this week/next week.

Hey Pikmin at almost 125k. Kinda surprised at that number. It's fell off, but it's done better than I would have thought initially. Wonder what it's worldwide numbers are at this point.

 

[Kyoufu]

You're not responding to my point. I'll take your word for it that the game wasn't that well received. That doesn't mean Capcom has maximized sales here.

I did respond to your point by stating that even an earlier release, pre-E3, of MHXX Switch would have done next to nothing to increase the overall LTD of the game.

In terms of maximising sales, you should be making a case for a western localisation of the title, which would undoubtedly do more for the game's LTD than whatever scenario you have imagined in Japan.

 

[noshten]

Well YSO was on the money in terms of the MHXX launch

 

[Kysen]

You can feel the XX numbers online, not as many rooms 24/7 like the past games.

 

[Kyoufu]

You can feel the XX numbers online, not as many rooms 24/7 like the past games.

It's a fucking graveyard when I log on. The other night it took like 40 minutes just for someone to join my room. It made me sad lol

I still need to do G4 key quests but barely anyone joins. :/

 

[Ridley327]

You can feel the XX numbers online, not as many rooms 24/7 like the past games.

Is there not many people playing it on 3DS these days? I would think with both platforms being cross-play that it would be quite the boon for anyone picking it up on the Switch.

 

[LordOcidax]

Splatoon 2 damnn.... Good week for Switch. Expected for MH, + digital can be around 110K, not bad for a late port. Did the bundle comes with the cartridge or a digital code?

 

[D.Lo]

The timing for the MHW announcement was at the 100% right time for Sony.

It's time for MH fans to buy a new system. Should they buy a Switch, where they can play an HD version of a game they bought five months ago? Or should they buy a PS4, where they can play the next main installment of the series that is designed to be HD, innovates the series, and is completely new?

Ignoring that moving main MH to consoles has been tried and backfired before, yeah this is correct.

You're right about Sony and timing, it's kind of crazy, PS4 has had such a charmed run the last couple of years in terms of Japanese-centric support, largely due to timing (Wii U a dud, 3DS fading, Vita irrelevant). It's by far the least successful console in 20 years to receive a mainline Dragon Quest at release, and now gets a mainline Monster Hunter despite it being proven to be a portable-centric series. And it has main entries in pretty much every other successful Japanese franchise. Switch is going to fly past it sooner or later, but this year has gone as well for Sony as could have been possible.

 

[Aostia]

I thought they saw Street Fighter numbers?

Yes, but were WW (and sold way more in the West), while this isn't coming over here
and from those number they gained so much confidence to announce...RE Revelation 1+2
I can only imagine which kind of big projects they will greenlight now

 

[Kysen]

Is there not many people playing it on 3DS these days? I would think with both platforms being cross-play that it would be quite the boon for anyone picking it up on the Switch.

There isn't sadly, its especially rough in low rank. If you aren't doing key quests good luck finding help.

 

[L~A]

16./16. [3DS] Great Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 2 - Naruhodou Ryuunosuke no Kakugo <ADV> (Capcom) {2017.08.03} (¥5.800) - 3.984 / 89.431 (-17%)

To see this one struggling to even reach 100k is really disheartning, but not unexpected after FW sales.

I wonder if retailers have started discounting it?

 

[Ridley327]

There isn't sadly, its especially rough in low rank. If you aren't doing key quests good luck finding help.

Weird. I've been getting back into MH4U and I've been pleasantly surprised to see there's still a lot of rooms going across all ranks, though there's a natural G-rank bias because of the age of the game at this point. I've even helped a group or two out with their Dalamadur urgent, which I felt strangely nostalgic about.

How people are still bad at Ukanlos, though, I couldn't tell you.

 

[seph1roth]

Currently, after seeing those numbers of MHXX, MHWorld on PS4 and XBO, and seeing there are few announcements of japanese third parties on Switch, i don't expect this console to be the successor of 3DS in that country.

I know it's soon, but atm seems like the Switch is not going to be the new 3DS in terms of third party support in Japan, but a WiiU with better hardware sales.

 

[TheBaldEmperor]

Capcom : Hey, look at this new version of that game that was already a new version of that game that was a best-off of previous MonHun games, but now in HD !"

Customers : uh sure it looks okay I guess might give it a try until the next mainline game

Capcom : Speaking about mainline, here's the new exciting and hyping MH game that will release not too long after the one we announced one month ago

Customers : Great ! I'll buy this one then, it has all these new shiny stuff !

Capcom : Why nobody bought MHXXHD ? I really can't figure out.

There certainly has to be some of this at work. To dismiss this as a factor seems willfully ignorant.

 

[Kyoufu]

Currently, after seeing those numbers of MHXX, MHWorld on PS4 and XBO, and seeing there are few announcements of japanese third parties on Switch, i don't expect this console to be the successor of 3DS in that country.

I know it's soon, but atm seems like the Switch is not going to be the new 3DS in terms of third party support in Japan, but a WiiU with better hardware sales.

lol, no. Switch will get far more 3rd party support than Wii U ever had.

 

[DrWong]

Currently, after seeing those numbers of MHXX, MHWorld on PS4 and XBO, and seeing there are few announcements of japanese third parties on Switch, i don't expect this console to be the successor of 3DS in that country.

I know it's soon, but atm seems like the Switch is not going to be the new 3DS in terms of third party support in Japan, but a WiiU with better hardware sales.

Oo

 

[Fiendcode]

Currently, after seeing those numbers of MHXX, MHWorld on PS4 and XBO, and seeing there are few announcements of japanese third parties on Switch, i don't expect this console to be the successor of 3DS in that country.

I know it's soon, but atm seems like the Switch is not going to be the new 3DS in terms of third party support in Japan, but a WiiU with better hardware sales.

Koei Tecmo, Bandai Namco and Square Enix disagree.

Capcom's right there with you though.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Yes, but were WW (and sold way more in the West), while this isn't coming over here
and from those number they gained so much confidence to announce...RE Revelation 1+2
I can only imagine which kind of big projects they will greenlight now

Revelations 1+2 is a good project to port over. Capcom's problem was not lining up support for the Switch from the start. What they currently have announced (besides the lack of XX localization and no Dragon's Dogma remastered) is fine given they barely make new games.

Lord have mercy on their soul if MH:W does poorly though. (It wont)

 

[OmegaSmash]

ARMS still top 10 while Gundam Versus disappeared. Guess we know why one is at Evo Japan.

 

[D.Lo]

Currently, after seeing those numbers of MHXX, MHWorld on PS4 and XBO, and seeing there are few announcements of japanese third parties on Switch, i don't expect this console to be the successor of 3DS in that country.

I know it's soon, but atm seems like the Switch is not going to be the new 3DS in terms of third party support in Japan, but a WiiU with better hardware sales.

Switch demand is insane, it's the new Wii/DS at this point, it's 3DS post-price cut demand. And it hasn't even had a holiday yet. If they can make consoles more quickly it will pass the PS4 within a year.

Unlike the Wii U it WILL be #1, easily, no doubt. So support will come.

Koei Tecmo, Bandai Namco and Square Enix disagree.

Capcom's right there with you though.

haha

 

[seph1roth]

lol, no. Switch will get far more 3rd party support than Wii U ever had.

Of course, that's obvious...but not as good as 3DS, not even PS4.

 

[Fiendcode]

Capcom also could've used more Switch foresight with their Disney and Megaman collections. And Okami HD if it's real.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Currently, after seeing those numbers of MHXX, MHWorld on PS4 and XBO, and seeing there are few announcements of japanese third parties on Switch, i don't expect this console to be the successor of 3DS in that country.

I know it's soon, but atm seems like the Switch is not going to be the new 3DS in terms of third party support in Japan, but a WiiU with better hardware sales.

Ayyyyyy Lmao.

 

[Pinky]

Nice boost for Switch hardware. Glad to see Splatoon 2 cross 1 million. Everything else? Meh...

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

Capcom also could've used more Switch foresight with their Disney and Megaman collections. And Okami HD if it's real.

That's pretty obvious.

 

[Kyoufu]

Of course, that's obvious...but not as good as 3DS, not even PS4.

Being a HD platform It'll no doubt see less output from developers who will have increase dev times for projects, that's inevitable.

But you said it'd be a Wii U, which had literally zero 3rd party support, is totally nonsense. It'd be hard for Nintendo to replicate that wasteland.

 

[Lonely1]

Capcom also could've used more Switch foresight with their Disney and Megaman collections. And Okami HD if it's real.

Don't worry. Capcom will have Ultra Darkstalkers Resurection, featuring prude Morrigan, next year.

 

[BitStyle]

Currently, after seeing those numbers of MHXX, MHWorld on PS4 and XBO, and seeing there are few announcements of japanese third parties on Switch, i don't expect this console to be the successor of 3DS in that country.

I know it's soon, but atm seems like the Switch is not going to be the new 3DS in terms of third party support in Japan, but a WiiU with better hardware sales.

lol. Check back to this analysis this time next year.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Hey, Knack had 100% attach rate FW!

why does Knack always foil me!

 

[L~A]

Looking at upcoming releases, Switch has at least one game every week until October (but nothing on very first week of October). Nothing too exciting, though. Expecting mediocre shipments until Pokkén Tournament DX.

August 31st

[Switch] Azure Striker Gunvolt: Striker Pack
[Switch] Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon

September 7th

[Switch] Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2

September 14th

[Switch] Champion Jockey Special
[Switch] Winning Post 8 2017

September 21st

[Switch] Dragon Quest X

September 22nd

[Switch] Pokkén Tournament DX

September 28th

[Switch / New 3DS ] Fire Emblem Warriors
[Switch / New 3DS ] Fire Emblem Warriors Premium Box
[Switch / New 3DS ] Fire Emblem Warriors Treasure Box

September 29th

[Switch] FIFA 18

 

[Skittzo0413]

Of course, that's obvious...but not as good as 3DS, not even PS4.

This comes up all the time but comparing Switch's first year in terms of Japanese third party support to PS4's first year puts the support quite heavily in Switch's favor.

You're right about 3DS support though, but I don't think any console will be getting that kind of support again.

 

[TheLegendaryN]

Of course, that's obvious...but not as good as 3DS, not even PS4.

Right now it's supply constrained and the PS4 did have a false start too, so we don't know (for sure) how Switch will compare to PS4. I'm still positive for Switch tho.
Regarding the position against 3DS, the console market has shrunk A LOT in Japan and the biggest competitor of a 3DS successor is the mobile space. I don't think a 100% handheld would do much better than the Switch currently does tbh.

 

[Toxi]

So Monster Hunter World is going to flop, but Monster Hunter XX flopped because Capcom announced Monster Hunter World and all the Monster Hunter fans are going to buy World instead.

...

 

[TheLegendaryN]

So Monster Hunter World is going to flop, but Monster Hunter XX flopped because Capcom announced Monster Hunter World and all the Monster Hunter fans are going to buy World instead.

...

Yup smh

 

[ßig]

Looking at upcoming releases, Switch has at least one game every week until October (but nothing on very first week of October). Nothing too exciting, though. Expecting mediocre shipments until Pokkén Tournament DX.

Does NBA 2K18 not count somehow, I caught you taking it out

 

[LordKano]

So Monster Hunter World is going to flop, but Monster Hunter XX flopped because Capcom announced Monster Hunter World and all the Monster Hunter fans are going to buy World instead.

...

Yes, let's just cherrypick what you want to read and then try to make fun of someone who doesn't exist.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

So Monster Hunter World is going to flop, but Monster Hunter XX flopped because Capcom announced Monster Hunter World and all the Monster Hunter fans are going to buy World instead.

...

The jury is split on MHW's performance as a "whole". (I'm firmly in the camp of it doing well but not matching MH4, MH4U or MHX/Gen. MHXX flopped due to a combination of bad decisions one of which was announcing and heavily promoting MHW before the release of their newest release.

I don't actually know why people find World cutting out MHXX:HD's sales surprising. Is there any marketing sense in doing the promotion this way?

 

[Mory Dunz]

how.....does that 3DS vs Switch compare now?

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Capcom is an incredibly stupid company and I've stopped giving any fucks about them. If they want to keep making blatantly dumb business decisions, then I'll just keep laughing at the entirely expected results

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Capcom is an incredibly stupid company and I've stopped giving any fucks about them. If they want to keep making blatantly dumb business decisions, then I'll just keep laughing at the entirely expected results

Yeah but I wanna play XX in english

 

[CaviarMeths]

It's just so bizarre to me that Capcom seemingly has no interest in selling software on Nintendo's popular new device. Like shit, they even went to bat for the Gamecube... sort of.

 

[rochellepaws]

Shockingly low sales for a Monster Hunter game in Japan, even if it is a port.

 

[OmegaSmash]

I kinda don't blame Cpacom's hesitance on the Switch since pretty much everything they put out other than MH and PW on the 3DS was underwhelming in sales. Except SSF4 3D I guess.

 

[noshten]

how.....does that 3DS vs Switch compare now?

3DS ahead by 84K launches aligned right now.


In terms of legs DQXI falling behind IX(-83K) & VIII(-52K). Physical sales of 1.5 million on PS4 and 2 million on the 3DS will be difficult to reach if it continues to drop.

 

[Mory Dunz]

3DS ahead by 84K launches aligned right now.

thanks

 

[Kyoufu]

Shockingly low sales for a Monster Hunter game in Japan, even if it is a port.

Not really. For a port that's what I'd expect of any Monster Hunter title in 2017.

The ports sold a little bit higher in their first week back when the franchise was at its peak, but that's no longer the case, so smaller first week numbers in comparison are normal. Capcom didn't promote the game much for a reason.

 

[KillerMan91]

So what was SSB Melee's attach rate a month after release?

MK8D should be beating MK8 launch aligned in the next two weeks, Mario Kart 8 ended 2014 with 850K on a console that was selling 12K weekly on average.

Melee had sold about 682k units and GameCube had hw ltd of 795k units by that week so Melee had attach rate of 85.8% a month after its release.

 

[noshten]

Melee had sold about 682k units and GameCube had ltd of 795k units by that week so Melee had attach rate of 85.8% month after its release.

Damn that's a huge attachment rate, where do you get the numbers from - it's going to be an interesting comparison to track.