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[Gotdatmoney]

Seems like a touched a nerve there.

Naw it's just lazy shit posting and will be called as such.

Am i allowed or not?

You can do w/e you want. And we'll just call it what it is.

Give me some time and i can post some enough posts to prove that what he claims is true.

ZZZZZZ. There is an actual conversation about XX HD happening right now. You could just participate in that instead of posting a few posts on a topic that has hand tens of thousands of comments on it and wasting your time.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Not surprised about MH numbers.

 

[BitStyle]

So mobile MMOs are looking to have a future? What sort of monetization is Lineage 2 Rev using?

Bullshit hot takes aside (and those that agree with them)

There are an absolute fuck-ton of reasons why this XX is performing worse than (MHG[wii]/MHF3HD/MH3G[wiu]), and Capcoms MHW focus (allong with its highly likely inability to sell in the realm of it's Handheld predecessors ) is merely one bullet point in a larger field of this titles mismanagement.

That's for sure.

 

[MisterR]

Seems like a touched a nerve there. I never said that you were one of them he is refering too. I just stated my opinion on the matter. Am i allowed or not? I don't think i offended someone. Give me some time and i can post some enough posts to prove that what he claims is true.

Throw a rock into a pack of dogs and the hit dog will yelp. Nerves touched for sure.

 

[HypnoDarkrai]

It's not 3D like IDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls or the just released IDOLM@STER Side M game, but here's a short trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o8JKq6hXIk

That's Uta no Prince-sama, and it's getting a Global release as well.

 

[NintendosBooger]

Throw a rock into a pack of dogs and the hit dog will yelp. Nerves touched for sure.

The hit dog will yelp.

 

[Nirolak]

That's Uta no Prince-sama, and it's getting a Global release as well.

Oh... I just realized the Prince of Tennis rhythm game is separate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qvWT2AcU-4

My bad! Thanks for the correction.

Edit:

That one has appropriate Tennis theming:

 

[OryoN]

Had Switch's installed base been significantly higher, one would finally fathom just how "big" Splatoon really is, in Japan.

Edit: Also, MHxx got the kind of sale you'd expect (and perhaps more than it ought) for a game handled by a company that can't seem to make any smart decisions about how they support various platforms.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Throw a rock into a pack of dogs and the hit dog will yelp. Nerves touched for sure.

It's just dumb. If you want to make a shit post why would you make it in the topic where people actually post analysis of sales and franchises in good faith? Yeah it gets heated in here but people actually want to have a thought out discussion. Acting like a victim while doing stuff like this is just dumb. Dude got chewed out because no one here is dumb enough to not see the shadow when you're throwing shade.

 

[Chris1964]

Had Switch's installed base been significantly higher, one would finally fathom just how "big" Splatoon really is, in Japan.

It doesn't really matter in the long run. Splatoon 2 LTD will be hardly be affected from current Switch limited supply.

 

[LordKano]

Oh... I just realized the Prince of Tennis rhythm game is separate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qvWT2AcU-4

My bad! Thanks for the correction.

Edit:

That one has appropriate Tennis theming:

I see what they're trying to do but it looks awful on these screens lol. Using chibi style when the anime is popular in part for its bishounen characters seems a bit of a missed opportunity.

 

[Laplasakos]

Naw it's just lazy shit posting and will be called as such.



You can do w/e you want. And we'll just call it what it is.



ZZZZZZ. There is an actual conversation about XX HD happening right now. You could just participate in that instead of posting a few posts on a topic that has hand tens of thousands of comments on it and wasting your time.

Wow... Just wow. Uhm i don't how to respond to this. I was ready to post some, but seeing such post with phrases like '' lazy shit posting'','' Zzzz'', ''wasting time post what you want'' i just can't. Nor i think i talked you like that to deserve this behaviour (except if you think that ''i touched i nerve'' is the same).

Sorry for this to the rest who read the thread. Go on.

 

[Nirolak]

I see what they're trying to do but it looks awful on these screens lol. Using chibi style when the anime is popular in part for its bishounen characters seems a bit of a missed opportunity.

There is a third screen that didn't show up for some reason that's the regular art: https://risingbeat.bushimo.jp/system

 

[casiopao]

I see what they're trying to do but it looks awful on these screens lol. Using chibi style when the anime is popular in part for its bishounen characters seems a bit of a missed opportunity.

Considering how PoT is also really often attached to the female fans and how female fans loved chibi art, i don't see the missed opportunity except if they are specially targeting those dating sims fans.

There is a third screen that didn't show up for some reason that's the regular art: https://risingbeat.bushimo.jp/system

Actually checking that sites, it seems they uses the same format as Idolmaster Cinderella Girls where the chara in their own room is on chibi but the rest during gacha is full potrait. So it is a win win situation.^_^

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Wow... Just wow. Uhm i don't how to respond to this. I was ready to post some, but seeing such post with phrases like '' lady shit posting'','' Zzzz'', ''wasting time post what you want'' i just can't. Nor i think i talked you like that to deserve this behaviour (except if you think that ''i touched i nerve'' is the same).

Sorry for this to the rest who read the thread. Go on.

🙄

My point is a thread of engaged sales talk isn't the place to point fingers at MHW shit posting.

Just talk about XX in relation to things actually said in this thread. No one wants you to waste your time making a wall of shame.

 

[Vinnk]

So reading the reactions it seems:

1. Those who have been following MC threads and this game are somewhat disappointed but not overly surprised.

2. People who rarely visit MC threads are poking their heads in to express shock at this unexpected failure. And of course to infer that the Switch is somehow poisonous to 3rd party software.

I suppose if one can't downplay the hardware sales anymore...

Personally I thought this game would do 100k-120k FW so I also expected more. But 84k doesn't seem as disastrous as people are making it.

Seems the problem falls much more heavily on the shoulders of Capcom than it does Nintendo.

 

[Datschge]

Capcom's long running portable cash cow is done for with the lowest FW a non-spinoff MH game ever registered. MHW got a hell of a burden to shoulder to turn around that development into improved sales for the MH franchise.

 

[lyrick]

Is it too early for a post-mortem on MHXX(nsv)?

Or should we wait a couple weeks to see if it can manage to outpace MHG(wii) or 3GHD(wiu)?

 

[LordKano]

There is a third screen that didn't show up for some reason that's the regular art: https://risingbeat.bushimo.jp/system

That looks better.

Considering how PoT is also really often attached to the female fans and how female fans loved chibi art, i don't see the missed opportunity except if they are specially targeting those dating sims fans.

Dunno, you're probably right, I have a hard time standing these chibi arts when one of the bullet point of sports anime is detailed characters in action.

 

[BitStyle]

Is it too early for a post-mortem on MHXX(nsv)?

Or should we wait a couple weeks to see if it can manage to outpace MHG(wii) or 3GHD(wiu)?

It might have some short legs, but I'm sure it will end up over 150k LTD when all is said and done. 3GHD could be attainable.

Capcom's long running portable cash cow is done for with the lowest FW a non-spinoff MH game ever registered. MHW got a hell of a burden to shoulder to turn around that development into improved sales for the MH franchise.

XXHD was most assuredly a low-risk title on Capcom's part, and I'm sure its performance won't mean much in the grand scheme, especially when it comes to MHW.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

Capcom's long running portable cash cow is done for with the lowest FW a non-spinoff MH game ever registered. MHW got a hell of a burden to shoulder to turn around that development into improved sales for the MH franchise.

MHXXHD is an HD rerelease of a remaster of a final spinoff for a series that was retiring from the 3DS. As others has said, I was expecting maybe 20-40k more with a 150-200k LTD. However, this isn't a drastic underperformance.

 

[Herb Alpert]

So reading the reactions it seems:

1. Those who have been following MC threads and this game are somewhat disappointed but not overly surprised.

2. People who rarely visit MC threads are poking their heads in to express shock at this unexpected failure. And of course to infer that the Switch is somehow poisonous to 3rd party software.

I suppose if one can't downplay the hardware sales anymore...

Yeah that's funny

Spoiler

Or sad maybe

 

[L~A]

Damn You would think that they would space these out a tiny bit (especially if they don't have anything 1st week of Oct like you say)

Dragon Quest X (not a huge selling one but still), Pokken, Fire Emblem Warriors, and Fifa within 8 days of each other?

It really wouldn't make much of a difference. There isn't any significant audience overlap between those games.

 

[Chris1964]

It might have some short legs, but I'm sure it will end up over 150k LTD when all is said and done.

Retailer blogs talked for rise of interest last week and anticipation of good legs. It shouldn't have problem topping 200k.

 

[noobie]

When will we get bundle numbers for MHXX? I expect large number of people bought bundle because switch was not available in other box. So they were not MHXX buyers but Switch buyers. And near 1:1 sales of Splatoon also sort of confirm this that these people bought bundle and then went on to buy Splatoon to play it.

 

[Chris1964]

When will we get bundle numbers for MHXX? I expect large number of people bought bundle because switch was not available in other box. So they were not MHXX buyers but Switch buyers. And near 1:1 sales of Splatoon also sort of confirm this that these people bought bundle and then went on to buy Splatoon to play it.

Almost all of those who bought the bundle bought it with pre-order at the times it was available.

I don't know what kind of logic this theory needs to work.

 

[Nirolak]

Considering how PoT is also really often attached to the female fans and how female fans loved chibi art, i don't see the missed opportunity except if they are specially targeting those dating sims fans.



Actually checking that sites, it seems they uses the same format as Idolmaster Cinderella Girls where the chara in their own room is on chibi but the rest during gacha is full potrait. So it is a win win situation.^_^

Right, there's a huge, very lucrative audience in Japan for mobile games targeted at women that Japanese companies are finally getting used to existing, and are now actively pursuing it.

Mind, some companies have been doing this for a while, but there's been a large uptick as people realize it's a lot less competitive at the moment.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Capcom's long running portable cash cow is done for with the lowest FW a non-spinoff MH game ever registered. MHW got a hell of a burden to shoulder to turn around that development into improved sales for the MH franchise.

MHW is gonna do good numbers. And if they announce a new portable MH it's gonna do good numbers. The real issue is whether they can feasibly keep releasing a game a year.

 

[Datschge]

MHXXHD is an HD rerelease of a remaster of a final spinoff for a series that was retiring from the 3DS. As others has said, I was expecting maybe 20-40k more with a 150-200k LTD. However, this isn't a drastic underperformance.

The FW is below MHG on Wii, a game that was released barely 4 months before MH3 on the same system. It's also below MH3G on Wii U. The only MH games that did worse FW are the Frontier ones and some of the Diary ones. It being an expected underperformance at this point doesn't make it any less of a disaster for the franchise. As I said MHW got a hell of a burden to shoulder to turn around that development into improved sales for the MH franchise that Capcom wants to see.

 

[cw_sasuke]

The FW is below MHG on Wii, a game that was released barely 4 months before MH3 on the same system. It's also below MH3G on Wii U. The only MH games that did worse FW are the Frontier ones and some of the Diary ones. It being an expected underperformance at this point doesn't make it any less of a disaster for the franchise. As I said MHW got a hell of a burden to shoulder to turn around that development into improved sales for the MH franchise that Capcom wants to see.

lol....please tell me you are joking.
The game Capcom isnt even releasing in the west i a disaster for the franchise when they already sold + 1.5m on 3DS half a year ago ? Come on.

 

[Aters]

I'm not sure how much we can blame MHW for MHXX's flop. It came out on 3DS and was not particularly loved.

 

[Draxal]

Well, these things are still largely gacha games, they just play more like traditional games in gameplay.

Even the most relevant core consoles games are gacha games these days!

That is definitely true, good ole lootboxes.

 

[MoonFrog]

That is definitely true, good ole lootboxes.

The world we live in...

I just hate it as a content delivery method and content determiner. Beyond disliking the monetization scheme.

 

[Datschge]

MHW is gonna do good numbers. And if they announce a new portable MH it's gonna do good numbers. The real issue is whether they can feasibly keep releasing a game a year.

lol....please tell me you are joking.
The game Capcom isnt even releasing in the west i a disaster for the franchise when they already sold + 1.5m on 3DS half a year ago ? Come on.

Switch for the foreseeable time will be the only reasonable dedicated portable gaming system. In Japan the MH franchise has been a cash cow pretty exclusively on portable for over a decade now. MHXX for Switch shows how Capcom is handling that untapped potential right now. You can't earnestly say they are doing good work with that or think that a next portable entry (whatever that will be) will recover from this as if MHXX for Switch never happened.

 

[Lizardus]

XX is the fourth game in the fourth generation when each of the previous generations only had three games each.

Fatigue does set in, as was shown with the 3DS version sales. People are ready to move on.

 

[DeuceGamer]

Looking at upcoming releases, Switch has at least one game every week until October (but nothing on very first week of October). Nothing too exciting, though. Expecting mediocre shipments until Pokkén Tournament DX.

August 31st

[Switch] Azure Striker Gunvolt: Striker Pack
[Switch] Nights of Azure 2: Bride of the New Moon

September 7th

[Switch] Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2

September 14th

[Switch] Champion Jockey Special
[Switch] Winning Post 8 2017

September 21st

[Switch] Dragon Quest X

September 22nd

[Switch] Pokkén Tournament DX

September 28th

[Switch / New 3DS ] Fire Emblem Warriors
[Switch / New 3DS ] Fire Emblem Warriors Premium Box
[Switch / New 3DS ] Fire Emblem Warriors Treasure Box

September 29th

[Switch] FIFA 18

What would be a good opening for Nights of Azure 2 on Switch? I'm guessing it will be pretty small.

I wonder if we will see smaller Switch shipments the next couple weeks again.

 

[J@hranimo]

Lul Capcpom

 

[BitStyle]

Switch for the foreseeable time will be the only reasonable dedicated portable gaming system. In Japan the MH franchise has been a cash cow pretty exclusively on portable for over a decade now. MHXX for Switch shows how Capcom is handling that untapped potential right now. You can't earnestly say they are doing good work with that or think that a next portable entry (whatever that will be) will recover from this as if MHXX for Switch never happened.

Assuming that the next portable MH title isn't a port of a not well-received spinoff 6 months after the original game's launch I would think we can. Now whether they did good work with XXHD? No, they've been beaten to kingdom come over how poorly they handled marketing this title + missed out on localization sales.

 

[Chris1964]

So reading the reactions it seems:

1. Those who have been following MC threads and this game are somewhat disappointed but not overly surprised.

2. People who rarely visit MC threads are poking their heads in to express shock at this unexpected failure. And of course to infer that the Switch is somehow poisonous to 3rd party software.

I suppose if one can't downplay the hardware sales anymore...

Personally I thought this game would do 100k-120k FW so I also expected more. But 84k doesn't seem as disastrous as people are making it.

Seems the problem falls much more heavily on the shoulders of Capcom than it does Nintendo.

If you are following the threads these numbers were pretty much expected post Obon.

Big software drops for everything except Switch and 3DS with PS4 at 20k range.

Switch and MHXX were lower than 100k expectations with both being affected more from the lack of dedicated bundles since it looks Nintendo went with ~20k only.

 

[casiopao]

Right, there's a huge, very lucrative audience in Japan for mobile games targeted at women that Japanese companies are finally getting used to existing, and are now actively pursuing it.

Mind, some companies have been doing this for a while, but there's been a large uptick as people realize it's a lot less competitive at the moment.

Actually i think more gaming company nowadays especially on gacha front seems to have understand how important both female and male audience there.

I see on Hortensia Saga for example where for every new chapter gacha, they will have a bishounen chara+waifu chara to make sure they are not leaving any fanbase behind.

We can also see that with Fire Emblem Heroes Gacha where they often provide 2 waifu in swimsuits and another 2 husbandos in trunks.^^

 

[Deku89]

So reading the reactions it seems:

1. Those who have been following MC threads and this game are somewhat disappointed but not overly surprised.

2. People who rarely visit MC threads are poking their heads in to express shock at this unexpected failure. And of course to infer that the Switch is somehow poisonous to 3rd party software.

I suppose if one can't downplay the hardware sales anymore...

Personally I thought this game would do 100k-120k FW so I also expected more. But 84k doesn't seem as disastrous as people are making it.

Seems the problem falls much more heavily on the shoulders of Capcom than it does Nintendo.

Just wait until next week when the HW is back to sub-30k.

I agree, this is more on Capcom than Nintendo. I'm wondering when they will announce a new one for the Switch now that XX is out (or if they don't, there will eventually be some type of clone).

 

[casiopao]

Just wait until next week when the HW is back to sub-30k.

I agree, this is more on Capcom than Nintendo. I'm wondering when they will announce a new one for the Switch now that XX is out (or if they don't, there will eventually be some type of clone).

When Switch fall to 20-30k per week, u can bet AzaK is going to come back on the thread to comment on how Switch never sold more than 20k everytime he enter the thread lol.^^

 

[Vena]

Assuming that the next portable MH title isn't a port of a not well-received spinoff 6 months after the original game's launch I would think we can. Now whether they did good work with XXHD? No, they've been beaten to kingdom come over how poorly they handled marketing this title + missed out on localization sales.

I think his point is an issue of time and wear. We saw this with FF where time was the brands largest enemy in Japan as it spent near a decade faffing about with Lightning and it's audience simply atrophied with time and being unengaged. (Contrast with the extensive maintenance for DQ on both it's platforms.)

In that time, World has to maintain engagement in the face of a bad port doing nothing on portables. World will sell a fraction of 4/X in Japan, so it will fail at this maintenance spectacularly barring some major turn-around. And even more, the maintenance isn't even based on MH's strength in Japan. It has to make this up by breaking major ground outside of Japan.

Then the next question is when... When is the next Portable? 2019? Where's your audience going to be by then? Will it even still be interested? Did it transition out of the market while younger audiences "grew" into Splatoon or other franchises rather than Monster Hunter? This is his point. There's nothing for the portable audience to consume, it will fade or move on. They're not being engaged and if taken for granted they'll eventually simply be gone.

There's no foreseeable maintenance planned due to Capcom's general poor planning leading into the Switch.

 

[Oregano]

Just wait until next week when the HW is back to sub-30k.

I agree, this is more on Capcom than Nintendo. I'm wondering when they will announce a new one for the Switch now that XX is out (or if they don't, there will eventually be some type of clone).

If there's a new MH on Switch it's going to be late 2018 at the absolute earliest for the announcement and release will be 2019 or 2020.

I wouldn't be so sure about clones popping up. Only Square Enix bit on 3DS and now FF Explorers as moved to mobile. Bandai Namco and Koei Tecmo were already moving to PS4 before MH World reinforced their decision.

 

[Datschge]

Assuming that the next portable MH title isn't a port of a not well-received spinoff 6 months after the original game's launch I would think we can. Now whether they did good work with XXHD? No, they've been beaten to kingdom come over how poorly they handled marketing this title + missed out on localization sales.

I don't think we can. MHW is a big enough deviation from the series' norm that we neither know how it will be received as a home console game nor how much it will match or be adapted to the portable use case. I mean of course we had plenty good impressions even from Japan so far, but those aren't necessarily matched with equal sales. And the sales MH saw in Japan in the past decade (especially on portable) is quite a hurdle to match with a redesigned series from now on.

Edit: Vena's point of the portable MH audience essentially being left hanging in the air for the foreseeable time is also an apt one.

 

[Nirolak]

Actually i think more gaming company nowadays especially on gacha front seems to have understand how important both female and male audience there.

I see on Hortensia Saga for example where for every new chapter gacha, they will have a bishounen chara+waifu chara to make sure they are not leaving any fanbase behind.

We can also see that with Fire Emblem Heroes Gacha where they often provide 2 waifu in swimsuits and another 2 husbandos in trunks.^^

Right. I mean more in comparison to a few years ago.

 

[Vena]

Also we can put to rest the idea that the promise of MHW did anything for the PS4's hardware. It's dropped right back down to where it's been as a norm. DQXI came and went, and there's nothing here to suggest that the same won't happen with MHW and it will see 500k-1m and then fall off just as DQ has, with the latter being considerably more agnostic and a stronger brand.

Hope into one hand, pile mud into the other.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Damn on XX but also damn on that Splatoon2 boost.

 

[casiopao]

Right. I mean more in comparison to a few years ago.

Ahh i see i see.^^ Well, it is always nice to see those company finally begin to understand the importance of expanding their audiences.

Oh yeah, have u see the new S-E mobile game called Dia Horizon which is part of Multimedia project with anime coming in October.

It uses Potrait set up with some kinda of battle system like Chain of Memories but based on Qoo reviews, it seems not many fans are hyped for the game there even though i feel the gacha chara art and setting looks kinda nice there.


And of course just as we are saying that game company should give focus on both waifu and husbando, S-E and Blueprint Inc which i think is quite a new mobile game company release a game called Venus Rumble which is full of waifu and actually highly moving waifu full with touchy event.

And from the review reaction, i think this one is the one actually going to have chance of doing quite good for S-E.^^

 

[BitStyle]

I think his point is an issue of time and wear. We saw this with FF where time was the brands largest enemy in Japan as it spent near a decade faffing about with Lightning and it's audience simply atrophied with time and being unengaged. (Contrast with the extensive maintenance for DQ on both it's platforms.)

In that time, World has to maintain engagement in the face of a bad port doing nothing on portables. World will sell a fraction of 4/X in Japan, so it will fail at this maintenance spectacularly barring some major turn-around. And even more, the maintenance isn't even based on MH's strength in Japan. It has to make this up by breaking major ground outside of Japan.

Then the next question is when... When is the next Portable? 2019? Where's your audience going to be by then? Will it even still be interested? Did it transition out of the market while younger audiences "grew" into Splatoon or other franchises rather than Monster Hunter? This is his point. There's nothing for the portable audience to consume, it will fade or move on. They're not being engaged and if taken for granted they'll eventually simply be gone.

There's no foreseeable maintenance planned due to Capcom's general poor planning leading into the Switch.

I see where you're coming from. The matter of timing is one I'm sure Capcom is struggling with currently. Most are guessing we'll see the next portable MH by 2019 at the earliest, and the lack of cultivating a userbase (especially in the west, which got jack-shit) will leave a lot of questions when it comes to performance.