PS3 had a bunch of mandatory installs to play single player games. MGS4 was the worst.
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Nintendo details how physical games bigger than 32GB will work on Switch
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PS3 had a bunch of mandatory installs to play single player games. MGS4 was the worst.
EventHorizon
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You totally contradict your point with your last paragraph. You go on about how the Switch doesn't need the extra space, then you admit "Yes eventually you may need some additional storage". The point is that the types of games likely to need that extra storage aren't on the Switch yet. If the Switch hopes to have a chance at getting ports of games designed for the XB1/PS4 which have a ton more updatable storage and tend towards more realistic graphics, it is going to need more storage. If on the other hand your point is that Switch gamers don't want those games, then that proves the point that the console isn't likely to get them.
Edit:
The PS4 doesn't need extra storage to play any single game like the Switch does. The two are not even remotely comparable situations. You only need more space on the PS4 if you want more games to be available concurrently. The Switch can't even play the full game of some titles without extra memory.
D.Lo
Member
You need to learn what contradiction means. I wasn't addressing the issue itself, but the concern trolling and false equivalencies.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Yeah but the games didn't ship incomplete om the damn disc.
They'll eventually need space just like X1/PS4 will need space. They just don't need it now.
They don't need all that uncompressed sound and other assets since they'll be shooting for portable specs. Look at FIFA and NBA2k.
This whole thread just reeks of concern trolling.
Some of them did. That's what Day 1 patches fixed.
Name one Switch title that requires extra space right now.
EventHorizon
Member
I know exactly what a contradiction is and your last paragraph contradicts your point that there are "concern trolling and false equivalencies." There can't be concern trolling if the point people are concerned about actually exists...which your last paragraph admits to be true.
Gamezone
Gold Member
The Day 1 patches are bug fixes, not missing levels/modes. Why don't people get that?
Street Fighter x Tekken was straight up missing features at launch.
Not every day 1 patch is bug fixes.
EventHorizon
Member
That is simply wrong. The XB1/PS4 don't need extra space. I should know. I own a launch PS4 with no external hardrive, and have one of the largest PS4 games, Doom, on my console right now. I can download and play any PS4 game now and in the future, without ever increasing my storage capacity. The ONLY thing I would need extra storage space for would be if I wanted more games to be available concurrently. The Switch needs extra storage space just to play the full game of some games.
And this is just getting comical.
From the article we are currently talking about it says..."At least one upcoming release, NBA 2K18, will be such a game requiring a MicroSD card in the system." Oh and it is not just uncompressed sound and other assets that need that space. Patches need that space too.
If you download arms, mk8, splatoon 2 and botw, you end up with 25.2 gb out of the 32 gb available. So with 4 games you're already at nearly 80% of the file capacity. If you're in japan, dragon quest 1+2 will take up over 100% of that 32 gb. How is that acceptable?
They also don't need a journey mode either. Are you cool with them shaving essential or important features just to fit the limited switch hardware?
The same way 5 games can torpedo most of your storage on existing platforms.
Name 1 ps4 game right now that takes up over 500 gb of space. launch titles are a plus
Are you on ketamine right now or did you miss the "5 games" and "most" part? I already have to clear storage on my PS4 because it requires installs for physical games.
If you're in Japan, you're an idiot for buying that game digitally.
EventHorizon: They are likely writing about the eShop version.
It's a portable device for under $500.
It's a portable, so yes?
I'm realistic with my expectations when it comes to a midranged PC with off the shelf parts in a custom framework vs a fully portable device that didn't cost nearly a grand with an hour battery life.
I honestly don't know what the fuck you guys are expecting here considering that, once again, it's a portable device.
It should either:
- have a 500GB harddrive and be the size of a brick.
- double the storage, still run into storage limitations out of the box and be more expensive
- not have games that require it?
I guess? I don't know it's hard to keep up with intellectually dishonest bullshit.
D.Lo
Member
What games? Tell me of a single released physical retail Switch game that requires extra storage to play on a Switch.
You will find NONE.
You are discussing a hypothetical at this point, based on a quote that makes no sense.
Yep. Intellectually dishonest is exactly the right term for their lines of argument.
EventHorizon
Member
ok lets look at 5 top AAA games released within the last year
Cod infinite warfare: 44 gb
injustice 2: 28
Horizon zd: 40
Battlefield 1: 50
ff15: 51
So in total we come out to 213 gb roughly, which is less than half of a 500gb ps4 hard drive. even if you throw in hogs like gta v and doom (both 60) and destiny 2, that's still less than 80% of the capacity.
oh ok so now we're blaming the consumer, cool.
NBA 2k18 needs one, as the article discusses
EventHorizon
Member
D.Lo
Member
So... not a released game. So you don't have a released example and are wrong.
And the quote makes no sense for the physical release unless the game has more than a 25gb download, on top of what is on the cart, since the Switch has that available out of the box. The quote is therefore likely referring to the download code release, aka NOT a physical release.
We'll see if the physical version does require a 25gb download...
See above. Not released, and not physical in the form being discussed.
Oh my mistake, it only releases in 2 weeks, you totally owned me.
The physical version will require an SD card, there is no way around it. Maybe this is for patches, maybe this is because the 25 gb is only half the game. Its impossible to know yet but the point is it still requires an sd card.
isaacnukem
Member
They are? Heaven almighty
Yes, I would consider someone who could pick up a used copy of Dragon Quest Heroes I・II at BookOff for 6400 yen, play it, then sell it back for 4000 yen (4800 yen if you have the 20% bonus coupon that they give out constantly) once finished but instead makes the ill informed decision to buy the game from the eShop for 9500 yen kind of an idiot.
EventHorizon: I bet we will find out the truth once the game is released on cart, and I bet it won't be as dire as many are making it out to be.
EventHorizon
Member
What difference in the world does it make if the game is released or not? NBA2K18 releases in 15 days. If you want to play that game you need to buy extra memory. End. Of. Story.
This conversation would be more constructive if you all actually read the article...or my prior comments. Here let me help you out. There is this...
and this...
So yea... the quote is referring to physical games too.
Were people upset at Microsoft and Sony when tony hawk launched and the vast majority of the game had to be downloaded? Not sure why this is Nintendos fault especially when carts exist that can fit the whole game and the publisher opted to save money over giving the consumer a complete physical version of the game they bought.
EventHorizon
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It will be exactly as the press release says: "a microSD card will be needed for certain Nintendo Switch games that contain an especially large amount of content and require additional storage for players to enjoy the full experience."
Seriously, what other interpretation do you have for a press statement that says some games will need extra storage, which is given 15 days before a game saying "internet download and microSD required" on its box art? I can't even try to come up with something other than the blindingly obvious.
With micro SD cards now almost half a TB, think space won't be an issue and procing too. Nintendo anticipated this with Sandisk that there will me more demand for bigger micro SD cards and with economies of scale they'll be sold. I think in 2-3 years we might get a 700GB odd numbered card like the 400GB and in 10 years time 1 TB micro SD will be the norm
People will spend so much money on gaming related things for their systems, Xbox live, PSN, PS Plus, Gamepass, EA Access, expensive collectors editions, DLC, Mircotractions, loot boxes, but bitch about spending $16 or maybe less on 32 gb SD card for a portable console or a bigger one for about $30 that will last you a long time.
How much was those Vita memory cards?
How much was those Vita memory cards?
D.Lo
Member
Lesson: read what you are replying to properly before posting.
No.
We know the size of the game is 25gb, from the digital release file size.
We are assuming it is coming on a 16GB card.
Therefore, if it comes on a 16gb card the quote CANNOT be correct. It will only need 9gb of space in addition to what is on the card. Switch comes with 25gb of usable space.
THE QUOTE IS LIKELY WRONG.
Thps5 was one that was more than big fixes
Huh, so I guess the people who literally represent Nintendo are wrong then, huh. Even if you are right, that still doesn't make up for the fact that 9 gb is over a third of the usable space on the switch, which is pathetic.
ShadowFox08
Member
If only third party devs just compressed their games like Nintendo does. I bet this game would have fit in a 16GB card easily if the devs did. Obviously it costs more time and money to compress, but it could also save them time and less money on cards in the future, especially for carts bigger than 16GB.
D.Lo
Member
Yes, the in this case they are likely wrong.
As for your second point, goalposts, where are you?
MetalliCabombination
Member
The 400gb one costs almost as much as the switch. When exactly do you think that 700gb card will become affordable?
We have known since January that Switch has 32 gb memory, why are we still even on this topic?
Most people dont care, since its selling out and cant stay on store selves, buy a freaking SD card they are cheap
oh you prob dont even have a Switch
EventHorizon
Member
Problem is the types of games likely hit by this are ports of 3rd party XB1/PS4 games. 3rd party games have traditionally had a hard time selling on Nintendo platforms even without this extra requirement. This WILL reduce sales. The only question is by how much. If the initial large 3rd party games have less than expected sales, in 2-3 years there might not be any left to make use of the cheaper memory cards.
And that worked out sooo well for the Vita.
Thats my point they were expensive, Switch uses any SD card and they are cheap
I was assuming you are right (you probably aren't) and discussing that. You know my thoughts already, my views haven't changed.
This is like people defending piecemeal dlc, except with physical hardware.
You got me, I don't play games designed for children because I am an adult and like spending my money on things I support, which doesn't tend to include gimmicky shit.
D.Lo
Member
Oh man you couldn't make this up.
EventHorizon
Member
It is not a single quote. It is an entire announcement given to IGN on exactly this subject. That is the WHOLE point of the article. In addition, this article was released 3 days ago. If there were any mistakes Nintendo would have long since notified IGN about it.
But hey, we don't have to even dig that deep. The quotes from the article itself specifically mention BOTH digital and physical versions. They even talk about how notifications would be on both the front and back of boxes. There is no way it was only referring to digital. In fact, digital downloads are only thrown in towards the in. The article is primarily about physical copies. Here let's look at a fuller version of QUOTES from Nintendo.
Notice how digital only comes up at the end. How in the world could these quotes only be referring to digital, and if they were wrong how come they went uncorrected for 3 days? Once again, Nintendo gave these statements to IGN to get this exact article written. They would know if it was wrong.
Gotdatmoney
Member
I didn't expect people to be freaking out this hard about the Switch's memory. Is buying an SD card that huge an issue? It's not a secret that 32 GB isn't a lot. And as of now we don't have many examples of games with partial data on the card ao I dunno, is this a big deal?
Expectations for hardware capabilities change over time. A little over 10 years ago it was the expectation of everyone that when you buy a new console you have to buy propriety memory cards or not be able to save, and about 20 years ago games would Dave their progress on their cartridge. 30 years ago you could share save progress with friends and in magazines with codes.
The 32GB on the Switch is a good compromise most people probably won't mind.
That quote repeatedly says "may" require an sd card depending on the system's current available memory and the amount of memory required by the game. You are speaking as though it is absolutely required to buy an sd card. This is just like how it "may" require an additional hard drive to play a PS4 game if your hard drive ran out of space.
lwilliams3
Member
I think alot of people already accepted that the hybrid nature of the Switch will mean that there will be some complications like this. While I prefer if they just used a bigger cartridge, it is good that publishers will not compromise the game size or omit the Switch version altogether due to the data space.
We'll see. I doubt NBA2K18 will actually require more than the 25GB Switch affords you internally unless T2 decided to use 1/2/4GB card or something.
As of now, zero physical games require you to have a microSD card and even in the future those that do force content downloads will still be playable without doing so according to Nintendo.