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[Hoo-doo]

He could, you know, play the game before posting shite. But that seems a step too far for some of you.

This is nonsense. First, I play on PC, second, I bounced off of D1 because I felt the base game, story and missions were boring as hell and it was dry on content. So far, this game seems to be a pretty by-the-numbers sequel doing more of the same. I'm not yet convinced there's enough fresh content in there to justify a pre-order.

But I don't have to have played the game to discuss the OP that states that the character creator remained unchanged, right? Or when I watch footage and see mostly the exact same enemy types as the first game? To me it gives the impression that a lot of the game remained basically the same.

You could take some time to actually show me how these doubts are unfounded instead of going 'you haven't played it' and act like you won the argument.

 

[jett]

It's honestly a bit odd that they didn't vastly improve the quality of the player character models over Destiny 1, considering they were made to run on the friggin' PS360.

What's up with the Gi Joe action pose?

It looks so goddamn goofy

Even an early access game can get this right

Yeah what's up with that? Is it a bug? Characters didn't look like that in D1's menu.

 

[SgtCobra]

The character creator is indeed disappointing, there seems to be some sort of white filter that has been applied on the human skins. Then there are the cosmetic changes which makes your characters look quite different compared to their Destiny 1 counterparts.
And of course the fact that they haven't added anything new to the character creator which I cannot wrap my head around.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

This is nonsense. First, I play on PC, second, I bounced off of D1 because I felt the base game, story and missions were boring as hell and it was dry on content. So far, this game seems to be a pretty by-the-numbers sequel doing more of the same. I'm not yet convinced there's enough fresh content in there to justify a pre-order.

But I don't have to have played the game to discuss the OP that states that the character creator remained unchanged, right? Or when I watch footage and see mostly the exact same enemy types as the first game? To me it gives the impression that a lot of the game remained basically the same.

You could take some time to actually show me how these doubts are unfounded instead of going 'you haven't played it' and act like you won the argument.

But it's clearly not. A small little look into the actual game will show you that.

I'm talking about people calling it an expansion. That's utter bullshit. It's just shit posting. I mean don't believe if you don't want to but it seems that people coming in and saying that stuff have no interest in actually learning about what Destiny 2 brings to the table. Head into the OT and ask and you'll get some nicer people than I responding with exactly what you want to know, if you want to know it.

 

[eizarus]

Meh. Sucks but it's not a big deal. This is one of those games where now that they've fixed the major concerns, people will try to make a mountain out of a molehill just becuase it's Destiny.

 

[ExtinctionEvent]

Guess I'll make real posts when they make a real sequel.

Spoiler

sorry couldn't resist since you teed it up for me

Okay I'm out for now, I wasn't planning to get this day one anyways so I'll wait for later reviews / see if Activision ramps up the pay2win elements like they did in COD BO3.

Lol, never played it, calls it an expansion. Good times.

 

[ExtinctionEvent]

This is nonsense. First, I play on PC, second, I bounced off of D1 because I felt the base game, story and missions were boring as hell and it was dry on content. So far, this game seems to be a pretty by-the-numbers sequel doing more of the same. I'm not yet convinced there's enough fresh content in there to justify a pre-order.

But I don't have to have played the game to discuss the OP that states that the character creator remained unchanged, right? Or when I watch footage and see mostly the exact same enemy types as the first game? To me it gives the impression that a lot of the game remained basically the same.

You could take some time to actually show me how these doubts are unfounded instead of going 'you haven't played it' and act like you won the argument.

Hmm no, its not. When you okay the games you will see all the areas its changed, different.

 

[Nowise10]

dae hate destiny 2?!

 

[RichiRamjag]

No. The game seems to be quite a step up in a lot of areas, which is basically TTK as a full game, but some things are just bothering me like the character creator.

Agree. It's a good game, but I don't like the shortcuts in some areas while also pushing microtransactions in other.

But it's clearly not. A small little look into the actual game will show you that.

I'm talking about people calling it an expansion. That's utter bullshit. It's just shit posting. I mean don't believe if you don't want to but it seems that people coming in and saying that stuff have no interest in actually learning about what Destiny 2 brings to the table. Head into the OT and ask and you'll get some nicer people than I responding with exactly what you want to know, if you want to know it.

I own destiny two and I consider it an expansion. Refer to it as "Destiny too" in my home. My son played it and came to a similar conclusion. I'm not terribly angry about it or all that bothered, but it does feel like more of the same with reskins of enemies from the last game. I haven't beat it yet, so I'm hoping that changes going forward. Having the exact same char creator didnt help either. I'm not saying you have to feel that way as well, but that doesn't change the fact that some of us do.

Meh. Sucks but it's not a big deal. This is one of those games where now that they've fixed the major concerns, people will try to make a mountain out of a molehill just becuase it's Destiny.

Oh give me a break. People can hold opinions you don't like without it being a crusade against destiny. They're just different opinions. This line of thinking is the worst on these threads.

 

[MaKTaiL]

Also, this is what my Destiny 1 character ended up looking like in Destiny 2 (Destiny 1 on left, Destiny 2 on right):

I'm getting a Mass Effect Andromeda vibe from the new face.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I'm sure as hell enjoying it a lot more a lot faster than I ever did with the first game, but if you were to tell me that this game was a glorified expansion pack, I wouldn't really make an argument against that. It refines a lot of things I didn't like about the first game, but I am quite surprised about the lack of new things as well

Would you argue that Splatoon 2 is an expansion despite people vouching that it was a sequel? Cuz we've had this same argument before with that game.

 

[Ryuuga]

But it's clearly not. A small little look into the actual game will show you that.

I'm talking about people calling it an expansion. That's utter bullshit. It's just shit posting. I mean don't believe if you don't want to but it seems that people coming in and saying that stuff have no interest in actually learning about what Destiny 2 brings to the table. Head into the OT and ask and you'll get some nicer people than I responding with exactly what you want to know, if you want to know it.

You're too hung-up on what people want to define the game. Expansions (especially in the mmo realm) are feature-rich content packs, though they usually expand on existing content something Destiny 2 does not. The industry specifically in the AAA has perverted how fulfilling an expansion can be. People have a certain threshold for what they consider a full-fledged sequel. Explain, in words, why you consider this drastically more improved and a much fuller game than it's predecessor. From the reveal thread I've rallied behind the idea that Destiny 2 is not a sequel and will never refer to it as such. To me it's more like a new foundation. Expectations for a sequel may be considered unrealistic, but many were burned on being fed Destiny "expansions" piece-meal and were expecting a sequel to deliver more than we're seeing.

 

[TheMan]

I was disappointed by the character creator too - all that time and this is what we got. This is a relatively minor detail and the rest of the game is pretty good, but getting the minor details right is what separates pretty good from the best.

 

[Revolutionary]

Remember when the Destiny 2 art leaked and people thought the beard on the Guardian meant a revamped character creator? Lol

 

[RichiRamjag]

You're too hung-up on what people want to define the game. Expansions (especially in the mmo realm) are feature-rich content packs, though they usually expand on existing content something Destiny 2 does not. The industry specifically in the AAA has perverted how fulfilling an expansion can be. People have a certain threshold for what they consider a full-fledged sequel. Explain, in words, why you consider this drastically more improved and a much fuller game than it's predecessor. From the reveal thread I've rallied behind the idea that Destiny 2 is not a sequel and will never refer to it as such. To me it's more like a new foundation. Expectations for a sequel may be considered unrealistic, but many were burned on being fed Destiny "expansions" piece-meal and were expecting a sequel to deliver more than we're seeing.

Even the pvp modes are more limited due to the 4v4 change. I honestly feel like I'm getting less for that reason alone. If it wasn't for my son, I wouldn't have purchased for that reason alone tbh.

 

[Draft]

Consumable make up kits incoming.

 

[ExtinctionEvent]

You're too hung-up on what people want to define the game. Expansions (especially in the mmo realm) are feature-rich content packs, though they usually expand on existing content something Destiny 2 does not. The industry specifically in the AAA has perverted how fulfilling an expansion can be. People have a certain threshold for what they consider a full-fledged sequel. Explain, in words, why you consider this drastically more improved and a much fuller game than it's predecessor. From the reveal thread I've rallied behind the idea that Destiny 2 is not a sequel and will never refer to it as such. To me it's more like a new foundation. Expectations for a sequel may be considered unrealistic, but many were burned on being fed Destiny "expansions" piece-meal and were expecting a sequel to deliver more than we're seeing.

This is a sequel, in every way. By this logic , every sequel is an expansion. You e em said it, it doesn't expand on existing content, it is all new and stand alone.

 

[cripterion]

Dunno but my female human stands nothing like that.




You guys OK? Need some salt with that?

It's class related maybe?

 

[RichiRamjag]

This is a sequel, in every way. By this logic , every sequel is an expansion. You e em said it, it doesn't expand on existing content, it is all new and stand alone.

You should just get over it. Nothing you're going to say is going to convince some of us otherwise. If you enjoy the content and consider it a sequel, that's great. I personally don't and those in my household who have seen and played the game have made similar comments. We still enjoy the game because we like destiny in general though. How we feel about the state of the release shouldn't really bother you all that much as it has zero impact to you. You're getting too worked up over nothing tbh.

 

[Pandora012]

Mine came out similar but slight changes. I do like the metal work finish on the Exo though, much better imho.





It's the Titan pose.

The Awoken and Exo, don't look bad. Just a bit lighter. Not sure what going on with the Human.

 

[cripterion]

Mine came out similar but slight changes. I do like the metal work finish on the Exo though, much better imho.





It's the Titan pose.

lol

Lol at your hyperbole, yes just because the character creator its an expansion. Get teal. Every sequel ever reuses some assets. Development, how does it work. Its far too big to be an expansion. By your logic every sequel is an expansion.

Yeah sure...
It's not wrong reusing some assets but Destiny 1 was a cross gen title and Destiny 2 is its big budget sequel, some people have higher standards you know?
Some people can praise the game when it does things right but they can criticize other things too, don't have to defend every single thing about the game you love.

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

This expansion / sequal talk is nonsense. Its clearly a sequel.

Expansions are continutions of main games content. They are never as big as the main game (at least I cant think of any) and tend to add new areas / quests / level caps etc. They can be feature rich but are clearly just extensions of the base game.

Destiny 1 had what? 3 expansions? All follow this criterea.

The witcher 3 had 2 expansions. 1 mostly based in the main game but added plenty of new content. The other added a new area and story. However, while it was large, it was no where near as large as the base game.

Destiny 2 is at least as large as destiny 1. Yes it borrows alot from the base game but so do most sequels. Sequels tend to take the origional game and expand on it. For example Destiny 2 seems to have a similar length campaign but with plenty of new additions such as adventures. It has new sub classes. New public events. Im sure tons of other stuff (im only 3 hours in). It looks like it has 4 main worlds but each is larger that in D1. Its a completely new story. The old content isnt there vaialble to play.

I dont have a huge attachment to Destiny. I only played the campaign plus a bit of end game in 1 and will prob just play the campaign, adventures, public events and a bit of end game in D2 as well. But it is a sequel and calling it an expansion just seems like a kind of petty way to bitch that somethings arn't more developed than you would like.

Is the character creator way to simple for what a sequal should offer? yeah prob. But that doesn't make the game an expansion.

 

[ExtinctionEvent]

You should just get over it. Nothing you're going to say is going to convince some of us otherwise. If you enjoy the content and consider it a sequel, that's great. I personally don't and those in my household who have seen and played the game have made similar comments. We still enjoy the game because we like destiny in general though. How we feel about the state of the release shouldn't really bother you all that much as it has zero impact to you. You're getting too worked up over nothing tbh.

I'm not worked up..I'm simply posting. Again, by this logic every sequel Is an expansion. What makes this an expansion versus say, gears, halo, uncharted, etc...

Its a sequel by definition, nothing you say changes that.

 

[MomoPufflet]

Made note of this in the OT, but the way light reflects and cast shadows on faces in this game makes characters look super weird. I'm opting to keep my helmet on at all times now.

Also... why don't more games just allow you to edit your character freely after you start? I ended up just wiping my Destiny 1 warlock because I thought they looked like shit when I saw them in the first cutscene.

Yup, it's super annoying and I had to recreate my character several times.

It's basically:

Creation / in-game

Jeff Gerstmann's female human from Destiny ended up looking pretty terrible, too.

The funniest part is it will look even worse than this in the actual game. The pause screen lighting is more forgiving than in social spaces.

 

[ExtinctionEvent]

lol






Yeah sure...
It's not wrong reusing some assets but Destiny 1 was a cross gen title and Destiny 2 is its big budget sequel, some people have higher standards you know?
Some people can praise the game when it does things right but they can criticize other things too, don't have to defend every single thing about the game you love.

What are you talking about? I am simply saying its a sequel, I'm not defending anything. Character creator is ass, thats not what we were discussing. That doesn't make it an expansion.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I'm not worked up..I'm simply posting. Again, by this logic every sequel Is an expansion. What makes this an expansion versus say, gears, halo, uncharted, etc...

I don't care what the logic makes anything else tbh. It's how I feel about this game in particular. You can feel however you like about those other games, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

Yup, it's super annoying and I had to recreate my character several times.

It's basically:

Creation / in-game




The funniest part is it will look even worse than this in the actual game. The pause screen lighting is more forgiving than in social spaces.

Haha. That image just killed me.

 

[FHIZ]

Yup, it's super annoying and I had to recreate my character several times.

It's basically:

Creation / in-game




The funniest part is it will look even worse than this in the actual game. The pause screen lighting is more forgiving than in social spaces.

Exactly. I was trying to look up film school lessons on how lighting can change everything. Worst part is that while I've opted to keep helemts on 24/7, I'm early on in the game so all the helmets are lame.

 

[Zombie James]

Also, this is what my Destiny 1 character ended up looking like in Destiny 2 (Destiny 1 on left, Destiny 2 on right):

Destiny: Andromeda

 

[jett]

It's the Titan pose.

Is it really? It's awful compared to D1.

 

[Sephzilla]

Man, that pose sure isn't helping.

Does every class stand there like Robocop?

That's a bad thing!?

 

[Blam]

Is it really? It's awful compared to D1.

Why does this look better then D2.

 

[eizarus]

Oh give me a break. People can hold opinions you don't like without it being a crusade against destiny. They're just different opinions. This line of thinking is the worst on these threads.

Who the hell said people can't hold opinions that I don't like? Hell, I said it myself that it sucks. It was an insanely lacklustre moment for me when I got to the character creator. But don't act like there aren't people who do driveby shitposts. That's what I'm referring to.

Destiny: Andromeda

XD

 

[Anton Sugar]

What's up with the Gi Joe action pose?

It looks so goddamn goofy

Even an early access game can get this right

Yeah, the pose there is all WTF. The weapons aren't even aligned with the model's forearm, making it look like they don't know how to hold a weapon or like an action figure that had a toy weapon popped into their hand, regardless of how it fits.

Look at the alignment of the weapon model on the right.

This, specifically, is nitpicky when compared to the copy/paste editor job, but it's sort of an amateurish first impression.

 

[cripterion]

That's a bad thing!?

It looks really odd, I mean look at how she's holding the gun on that pic. Must be a bug or something.

Anyways seems Bungie has a thing for awkward poses.

 

[Doc_Drop]

That's a bad thing!?

Haha

 

[ExtinctionEvent]

I don't care what the logic makes anything else tbh. It's how I feel about this game in particular. You can feel however you like about those other games, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.



Haha. That image just killed me.

So you can't answer, got you.

 

[benicillin]

My warlock looks great, as do all my friends characters.

Face it humans, Awoken and Exos just look way better.

 

[Yearsoflurking]

First post should have been

"It's like Destiny 1 even with the same character creator"

 

[RichiRamjag]

Who the hell said people can't hold opinions that I don't like? Hell, I said it myself that it sucks. It was an insanely lacklustre moment for me when I got to the character creator. But don't act like there aren't people who do driveby shitposts. That's what I'm referring to.



XD

Ahh. No sweat. I wasn't sure if it was more of the "people just like to hate on destiny" crowd from the last microtransaction thread. It got pretty bad lol.

So you can't answer, got you.

I'm not going to get bogged down talking about games that aren't relevant to the topic and I have no intention of attempting change your mind, so why bother? Don't take it personally.

 

[NeOak]

Yeah, my Human male Hunter looked a bit off. Man, that human female is bad.

This is nonsense. First, I play on PC, second, I bounced off of D1 because I felt the base game, story and missions were boring as hell and it was dry on content. So far, this game seems to be a pretty by-the-numbers sequel doing more of the same. I'm not yet convinced there's enough fresh content in there to justify a pre-order.

But I don't have to have played the game to discuss the OP that states that the character creator remained unchanged, right? Or when I watch footage and see mostly the exact same enemy types as the first game? To me it gives the impression that a lot of the game remained basically the same.

You could take some time to actually show me how these doubts are unfounded instead of going 'you haven't played it' and act like you won the argument.

You're being an armchair critic based on pictures and videos.

Of course the enemy races were going to be the same. But what you are missing is that they did add new enemies to them.

And no, it isn't Destiny at launch. Holy shit, that was a mess.

You've been shitting in every Destiny 2 thread I've seen you. Based on videos, pictures and your experience 3 years ago with the base game. Not even The Taken King which fixed QoL a lot and added an actual story.

Quality knowledge right there.

But sure, let's act like you are right. Based on your feelings from videos, pictures, and a launch game that got 3 years of patches after you stopped playing.

 

[ethomaz]

I loved how my caracters were auto imported and I could got straight to game.

I will never change my chars.

Warlock - Superior awoken female
Hunter - Human female
Titan - Exo

Feels great.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I loved how my caracters were auto imported and I could got straight to game.

Not like you would have been weighed down in options for the new ones anyhow, but I get what you're saying.

 

[ethomaz]

Not like you would have been weighed down in options for the new ones anyhow, but I get what you're saying.

Well I should try copy my D1 characters into D2 characters and that could make I waste a lot of time

My chars design are definitive already... I like how they are in D1 and so D2.

 

[Complicated]

Watching streams I couldn't help but wonder why all these minor gameplay additions couldn't have been added to Destiny. The public spaces seem very narrow and small as well; more so than the first game which was already pretty small. I'm sure there are people that are fine with that, and I'm sure they're going to respond aggressively toward any insinuation like mine.

It's not really surprising. The post-launch support of Destiny was a perfect indicator of how much of an improvement the eventual "sequel" would be. Expensive and underwhelming in my opinion.

 

[ethomaz]

Watching streams I couldn't help but wonder why all these minor gameplay additions couldn't have been added to Destiny. The public spaces seem very narrow and small as well; more so than the first game which was already pretty small. I'm sure there are people that are fine with that, and I'm sure they're going to respond aggressively toward any insinuation like mine.

It's not really surprising. The post-launch support of Destiny was a perfect indicator of how much of an improvement the eventual "sequel" would be. Expensive and underwhelming in my opinion.

A temporary farm with way less population should be small than a Tower with huge population.

The social area fits the theme in my opinion.

 

[Shikoba]

Yeah, the pose there is all WTF. The weapons aren't even aligned with the model's forearm, making it look like they don't know how to hold a weapon or like an action figure that had a toy weapon popped into their hand, regardless of how it fits.

Look at the alignment of the weapon model on the right.

This, specifically, is nitpicky when compared to the copy/paste editor job, but it's sort of an amateurish first impression.

Wow that looks bad. Is this on the item menu screen? The Hunter and warlock look a lot better than that on there.

 

[Complicated]

A temporary farm with way less population should be small than a Tower with huge population.

The social area fits the theme in my opinion.

Public spaces meaning all the planets. Sorry. Not up to date on my Destiny terminology.

 

[ethomaz]

Public spaces meaning all the planets. Sorry. Not up to date on my Destiny terminology.

They are bigger with more players than D1.

The world is way more lively and the player count per session increased... NPCs on checkpoints add a new level of changes and the new fast travel / world map created a dynamic never saw in D1.

The enemy count increased too.

 

[Glendemonium]

Well at least PC will have customization mods, right? Right?

Modders do what Bungiedon't.

 

[Audioboxer]

Well at least PC will have customization mods, right? Right?

Modders do what Bungiedon't.

Bungie Mods Storefront incoming. "Mini-DLC" comes to Destiny.