You're not defending him, you're "excusing" him. Okay, and you're doing it with an argument that - as everyone has repeatedly pointed out - is fucking moronic.
Fine.
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PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream
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You're not defending him, you're "excusing" him. Okay, and you're doing it with an argument that - as everyone has repeatedly pointed out - is fucking moronic.
Fine.
the two forms don't matter in the context he used it in
he was aiming for insult, r or no r
TheMoon
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read the other words too, please.
Of course, and I didn't say a single thing to the effect that he didn't.
I REPEAT: FUCK HIM
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
One is a hard insult and absolutely nasty slur the other can possibly be used as a variation of "bro" in the right context.
A Link to the Past
Banned
In that case it's useless semantics to question whether there's any difference between the two words. Of course people are going to call you out for bringing that up, because the only reason you would is to defend PewDiePie or for no reason at all.
Probably PDP, and all of his Youtube "friend".
If the dev of Firewatch can gain enough momentum, as in more dev follow suit and DMCA'd his ass, nobody will dare associate with the fucker.
Which is a big deal because they hit where it hurt, money.
Or your know, we can just outrage and not do a damn thing.
You say you're not defending anything, but you're providing an excuse for his behavior. It's similar to saying "No offense" before posting something clearly offensive.
If you really think he doesn't know the differnce, then you're incredibly naive. I don't think you are, though. Your argument sucks.
ScientificPizza
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I did. Stop acting like your bad post is actually everyone else not being able to read
Nigger: A racial slur used throughout history to demean us
Nigga: A word also used to demean us, however it was also taken back to be used as we see fit
And hint, black people tend to not say nigger
RavageX
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Its things like this that pretty much put a early end to my online gaming. It was originally something I looked forward to. A new way to reach and play with others who have similar interests? Hell yeah!!
Then days/nights of hearing the n-word more than I ever have offline made me think that online gaming isnt for me.
I dont feel like having "thick skin" while doing a past time I enjoy, an activity I use to relax from the real world. I just want to play without the hassle. Yeah Ive had good online experiences, but sadly Ive had way more negative ones.
Then days/nights of hearing the n-word more than I ever have offline made me think that online gaming isnt for me.
I dont feel like having "thick skin" while doing a past time I enjoy, an activity I use to relax from the real world. I just want to play without the hassle. Yeah Ive had good online experiences, but sadly Ive had way more negative ones.
Good news! You will almost certainly get your wish. Only in this very specific case, though. Corporations will continue to use DMCA takedowns as an effective weapon to silence criticism as they always have, but PDP will in all likelihood avoid any consequences for this because he makes Youtube far too much money for them to consider actually enforcing the rules and guidelines that any normal user is subject to.
If people have to stretch so that they don't have to call you a racist, there's probably something going very wrong and you should reexamine the way you conduct your life.
Kuriboi2k6
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Do you I guess. Maybe one day you'll get it.
TheMoon
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My point was not to say he thought either form might be "okay" to say, just on a pure vocabulary level, my thought was that he did not know there was even two different forms with connotation differences. That is all.
UberTag
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This is why people need to take a stand against YouTube as a platform and not just PewDiePie himself.
bigjeffery
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Hell yea looks like things are turning up bigjeffery.
Good Lord.
Wow. That was as blatant as it gets. He blurted it out like he says this shit all the time. I didn't know how big of a deal this guy was until that South Park episode and that other controversy. Assuming (well, hoping) the kids already gave up on him and he no longer holds influence over them?
A Link to the Past
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...That doesn't matter though. If he meant to use it as a slur, the pronunciation is trivial and pointless.
Palette Swap
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To all the "Im European and he didn't mean it" people: fuck you. I'm European and fuck that line of defense. There's a shitload of racism in Europe and you know what helps it thrive? All the scum always finding a way to defend it and managing to explain why racism is quantic and can never really observed.
It all works in circles. The actively violent far right groups are normalized by the semantics of far right politicians. In turn, that kind of speech is normalized by people like PDP. All these shitty youtubers are normalized by morons who see their favorite guy who talk about electronic toys under attack and need to defend their honor. Congratulations, you're part of the problem.
It's indefensible and anyone trying to downplay it should take one minute to think about what they're actively spending time and energy to do.
It all works in circles. The actively violent far right groups are normalized by the semantics of far right politicians. In turn, that kind of speech is normalized by people like PDP. All these shitty youtubers are normalized by morons who see their favorite guy who talk about electronic toys under attack and need to defend their honor. Congratulations, you're part of the problem.
It's indefensible and anyone trying to downplay it should take one minute to think about what they're actively spending time and energy to do.
TheMoon
Member
Oh come the hell on now.
I've explained it now like 10 times. I AM NOT DEFENDING HIS WORDS.
Done with this now.
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added this to the original post now:
edit: The original comment here was a simple comment on his presumed poor vocabulary including the finer distinctions between the two terms mentioned above. The word "excuse" in the sentence seems to tick everyone off, as if I was somehow trying to excuse what he said in general which is most fucking definitely not the case, see my earlier posts in this thread for fucks sake.
To summarize:
excuse of behavior = 0
speculation about poor vocabulary = 1
That. is. all. Not stop piling onto this.
We're all on the same "fuck him" page here.
fierrotlepou
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nvm
watermelons
Banned
A European in Europe using a word that largely has a historically negative connotation only in the United States. Americans don't hold a monopoly on language, they butcher all language to overly simplify things globally.
The vast majority of you don't watch Pewdiepie, you likely all swore off him after the Nazi jokes, and likely just want to get in the mandatory "oh my god so offensive" posts. Despite the fact that people here don't follow him, this thread has been consistently bumped to the top since it was posted, where it will stay for the rest of the day. Oh no. A youtuber said a word in a PUBG stream that Americans consider naughty he is now human garbage.
Yeah ok, i was just explaining that him being swedish doesnt change anything.
And I think you made clear from your other posts that you think he is an asshole.
Also swedes do know the difference between **er and ***a
A Link to the Past
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So what was the purpose of your post?
Because there's literally only one thing I can think of that could be gleaned from what you posted.
http://www.craveonline.com/g00/desi...ent-men?i10c.referrer=https://www.google.com/
Is thinking women are less intelligent than men a Swedish thing? Or could it be that the biggest Internet personality isn't some hick who has no exposure to outside culture?
PewDiePie plays with many people who are affected by that word, and that word HAS been used outside of the U.S. to be a negative term against black people. He used the word to mean asshole, and he immediately understood that it was a bad thing to have said it. Do you think he doesn't know that this word is a slur against black people?
I swear, PewDiePie could have explained the entire history of U.S. racism before using the n-word and you'd still give him the benefit of the doubt.
Xaero Gravity
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I can't believe some people here are actually trying to come up with excuses for him saying that kind of shit. Absolutely disgusting. To the ignore list you go.
youre saying he might have meant to say nigga instead of nigger. The thing is, it doesnt matter what version he used in this context.
And?
Lol, holy shit, this is a dumb post. Hello alt account.
Dubbedinenglish
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Which part "What a fucking nigger" demonstrates he may not know the context of two terms? When he tries to "correct" himself by substituting "asshole" instead of "nigger" what suggests he may not get the context of what he was saying.
When he says "What a fucking nigger" when he is mad at someone online what leads you to believe he doesn't catch the meaning of what he is saying?
Muffin1611
Banned
What's your point?
That word is considered racist as fuck in Sweden. So don't come with that stupid excuse!
I'm Swedish, I know.
Given the context, how does this relate to what PDP did?
The word has a negative connotation throughout the whole world, what the fuck dude.
Everyone knows how bad it is.
I'm European and what the fuck are you smoking?
Shake Appeal
Member
Re: the "Europe!" excuse.
I am willing to concede that there are pockets of non-English-speaking Europe, especially Eastern and Southern Europe, where some small minority of true idiots may not know just how offensive the use of this word is.
But literally zero people I have ever met from English-speaking Europe would be able to plead ignorance. Growing up in Ireland, an overwhelmingly white society, I can tell you that no one would use this word except as a knowing vicious slur. And I've never met anyone fluent in English--German, French, Swedish, whatever--who doesn't know this, too. Certainly no one under the age of 30 with Internet access can plead ignorance.
The only dumber excuse is drawing some sort of distinction between "n*gga" and "n*gger" that somehow makes it permissible for a white person to sling either one around--intended as an insult or not.
It's clear-cut. Not your word, in any form. Don't use it. And stop watching PewDiePie videos; he's bad for everyone's health.
I am willing to concede that there are pockets of non-English-speaking Europe, especially Eastern and Southern Europe, where some small minority of true idiots may not know just how offensive the use of this word is.
But literally zero people I have ever met from English-speaking Europe would be able to plead ignorance. Growing up in Ireland, an overwhelmingly white society, I can tell you that no one would use this word except as a knowing vicious slur. And I've never met anyone fluent in English--German, French, Swedish, whatever--who doesn't know this, too. Certainly no one under the age of 30 with Internet access can plead ignorance.
The only dumber excuse is drawing some sort of distinction between "n*gga" and "n*gger" that somehow makes it permissible for a white person to sling either one around--intended as an insult or not.
It's clear-cut. Not your word, in any form. Don't use it. And stop watching PewDiePie videos; he's bad for everyone's health.
Psychoward
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Lol, the original quote about tolerant GAF was sarcasm and yet you doubled down on it. Bye bye.
Did you miss the point of the post you quoted? He knew what he said was bad.
Simply Sami
Member
Seriously people defending him?
He's as bad as the dumb ass kids who come into games online and start using the nword or homophobic abuse.
He's as bad as the dumb ass kids who come into games online and start using the nword or homophobic abuse.
To be fair, I think he himself is a byproduct of the Internet, and the kids who are watching him are basically feeding off the same behaviour he himself picked up while growing up on the web.
Back then, when going through image boards and the like, it was very easy to find people treating each other on these terms. Asshole this, n word that and so on, so forth. They were absolute cesspools, and I imagine they must remain so. But then, people grow up and they start living in society and realizing that kind of behaviour is both childish and unacceptable.
That said, when you're Pewds, you don't really grow up. Despite his age and popularity, the guy still seems hell-bent on behaving like a teeanger. And he is passing down the exact same kind of content that shaped him up to become what he is today.
I don't want to say he isn't racist, because a behaviour like this would qualify as an act of racism, but I'm willing to believe that PDP wouldn't mistreat a POC in person nor does he harbor actual maliciousness towards them. Rather, I don't think he truly believes that POC are inferior to him or whatever. He uses it because it was the sort of joke he found funny when he was younger and unfortunately he didn't outgrow that phase. What he lacks, however, is empathy and a conscience to realize that even though for him this is harmless, this is a word that can and will cause hurt to a gigantic number of people given its weight and dreadful past.
As such, I am all for the guy getting called out, because if nothing else, the noise people make is another weapon in helping people realize that even this sort of behaviour is still racism, even if the perpetrator himself isn't someone who would go around beating POC on the streets or whatever. Behaviour like PDP's has been around the internet for a long while, and I'd estimate a large portion of kids who were exposed to it back then managed to fix themselves. That in an age where people were much less conscious and loud about these issues. So, the best way to fight it is indeed call him out on the BS.
This is fucking bullshit, and you know it
And_Gignac
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Dude i am Mexican a I know that fucking word. The word itself is a variant of Spanish' "negro". Clearly that didn't matter back then and it doesn't matter now. He knows exactly what the word entails, he knows exactly how the word is used. Don't act the fool.
Also, post with your real account.
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