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[Weltall Zero]

I don’t get why so many people in here are acting like you aren’t buying 21 SNES games.

Yeah, exactly. This entire "controversy" is genuinely baffling to me.

It's funny how it's $20 more expensive anyway. At least it comes with an extra controller.

Nintendo feels they can charge more for SNES games than NES games. I agree with them.

 

[LordOcidax]

Yeah, exactly. This entire "controversy" is genuinely baffling to me.



Nintendo feels they can charge more for SNES games than NES games. I agree with them.

This entire "controversy" is just plain stupid.

 

[Weltall Zero]

Then I suppose you get into the matter of is format shifting legal wherever you are in the world and given it is a ROM already you can argue there is no shirting at all going on.

fakedit:I nearly wrote format shirting :S

Yeah, about that...

 

[vareon]

Man some of you guys are going to flip out hard if you knew the stories behind of most products you purchased and used.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

What's the problem? NES Mini's components are quite capable, it only makes sense to use them for an N64 mini too.

Or just sell it once, with all the different software good to go and you simply buy the cosmetic edition that appeals most, instead of asking people to buy the exact same hardware three times over to play different games.

There'd still be enthusiasts who'd want all variants, but for those who just want to play Nintendo's back catalogue in a cool, standalone form factor, everything is there...

 

[oti]

Or just sell it once, with all the different software good to go and you simply by the cosmetic edition that appeals most, instead of asking people to buy the exact same hardware three times over to play different games.

There'd still be enthusiasts who'd want all variants, but for those who just want to play Nintendo's back catalogue in a cool, standalone form factor, everything is there...

Or: Wait for VC on Switch.

These mini consoles aren't platforms. They are novelty items.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I'm surprised this is even a thing worth complaining over. It was obvious that this was exactly what they were going to do even before they announced the thing. We already knew the NES Mini was capable of playing SNES games. Of course they were going to utilize the tech they already had available.

 

[Robin64]

Given the price of these games on VC, the hardware here is basically free with your purchase of a bunch of games.

 

[ZOONAMI]

The main thing I don’t like about these mini consoles is they are stalling on switch VC.

Eventually all these games will (or should be) on switch, so I’d like to just wait for that to happen than have to add yet another box under my tv.

 

[wrowa]

Or just sell it once, with all the different software good to go and you simply buy the cosmetic edition that appeals most, instead of asking people to buy the exact same hardware three times over to play different games.

There'd still be enthusiasts who'd want all variants, but for those who just want to play Nintendo's back catalogue in a cool, standalone form factor, everything is there...

That would completely defeat the point of the hardware. Playing (S)NES games on a hardware that is modelled after the original hardware is the entire point and appeal of the Mini line. They wouldn’t even be able include controllers that look like the original, since all controllers would need to be compatible with games from different generations...

You also aren’t paying for the hardware, but for the games. A Mini console that contains games from all consoles would either have a much smaller selection of games or would be ridiculously expensive.

 

[stranno]

Is there any way to enable auto-lock in Star Fox 2? Beta had it but this final build doesnt seems to have.

In normal mode it is quite easy but in hard mode, without this feature, it is stupidly hard.

IDK if its a hidden item, i have find some coins alond the levels..

 

[ggx2ac]

Man some of you guys are going to flip out hard if you knew the stories behind of most products you purchased and used.

Wait a minute... You mean this $100 red wine, and this $30 red wine tastes the same!?

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

This is like GameCube --> Wii all over again!
smh Nintendo :/


/s

 

[Veitsev]

Eh, I'm not sure this is as alright as some are saying... They're essentially selling the same hardware for a higher price with a new shell. Imagine Sony started selling a slim PS4 that has exactly the same hardware inside, but is the only PS4 able to run new games.

That's it. The only thing preventing the NES Mini from running SNES software (and vice-versa) is Nintendo itself, because the hardware is more than capable. It's the kind of thing I'd expect people to consider anti-consumer.

Your example is in no way comparable.

It is also in no way anti consumer. The SNES mini is essentially just a nice physical shell with controllers for them to sell you a 79.99 SNES Virtual Console bundle of 30 games.

 

[Fiendcode]

Not to sell really well it doesn't. Especially with a virtual console equivalent on the horizon.

Well no. But for me personally it does.

How kany games could the NES mini frontend handle before it started getting glitchy? Wasn't it like 45 games or something?

 

[Aostia]

It's 20 dollars more expensive.

It has a second controller too that, you know, costed 20 bucks for the NES

 

[maxmars]

Your example is in no way comparable.

It is also in no way anti consumer. The SNES mini is essentially just a nice physical shell with controllers for them to sell you a 79.99 SNES Virtual Console bundle of 30 games.

That's the right way to look at it. 21 games and two robust, original controllers in a small and cute shell that can be connected to any modern tv set in less than a minute, all for the price of a current AAA title (more or less). I'm truly baffled by some reactions here.

 

[MUnited83]

Good news for NES mini owners, you can just turn it into a SNES mini whenever you want.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Well no. But for me personally it does.

How kany games could the NES mini frontend handle before it started getting glitchy? Wasn't it like 45 games or something?

Why does the front-end get glitchy if there are too many games?

 

[Fiendcode]

Given the price of these games on VC, the hardware here is basically free with your purchase of a bunch of games.

It's way less actually.

21 SNES VC games = $168
30 NES VC games = $150

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

That would completely defeat the point of the hardware. Playing (S)NES games on a hardware that is modelled after the original hardware is the entire point and appeal of the Mini line. They wouldn’t even be able include controllers that look like the original, since all controllers would need to be compatible with games from different generations...

You also aren’t paying for the hardware, but for the games. A Mini console that contains games from all consoles would either have a much smaller selection of games or would be ridiculously expensive.

I mean, the controllers all have the same USB adaptor, so that doesn't strike me as a backbreakng challenge of imagination to overcome. And yeah, all those extra games - maybe they could even make titles downloadable? Add a cartridge/card slot with complete collections of games on? That would give the system longeviety and make it more than a passing plastic novelty...

Call me crazy.

 

[Plum]

Good news for NES mini owners, you can just turn it into a SNES mini* whenever you want.

*excluding Star Fox 2

FTFY

 

[Robin64]

Why does the front-end get glitchy if there are too many games?

You start to overwrite space that would’ve been used for save states.

 

[Fiendcode]

Why does the front-end get glitchy if there are too many games?

It wasn't meant to hold much more. I think at a certain point it stopped displaying titles but at an even earlier point it stopped keeping save states and stuff.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

You start to overwrite space that would’ve been used for save states.

Oh, just a limitation of the amount of available flash.

 

[ScaryShark]

I mean, the controllers all have the same USB adaptor, so that doesn't strike me as a backbreakng challenge of imagination to overcome. And yeah, all those extra games - maybe they could even make titles downloadable? Add a cartridge/card slot with complete collections of games on? That would give the system longeviety and make it more than a passing plastic novelty...

Call me crazy.

You seem to be confused that this product needs any of that to be appealing to a wide range of people to sell. Which is the ultimate goal.

Not everything needs to appeal directly to the niche within a niche that covets an all in one system. The people that do want that, like you, already have the technical knowledge to do it themselves.

This product isn't for you and that's okay.

 

[Owensboro]

Excellent. Exactly what I wanted as long as it lets people put the controller reset (down + select?) in IMMEDIATELY. It was so useful with the NES mini and my wireless controller.

 

[LordRaptor]

I mean, the controllers all have the same USB adaptor, so that doesn't strike me as a backbreakng challenge of imagination to overcome. And yeah, all those extra games - maybe they could even make titles downloadable? Add a cartridge/card slot with complete collections of games on? That would give the system longeviety and make it more than a passing plastic novelty...

Call me crazy.

Do you get that you're asking "Why didn't Nintendo release a completely different product for a completely different market?"

 

[Shahadan]

Why would they use something different to begin with and why does that matter since you're buying overpriced roms anyway? People make no sense

 

[vareon]

I mean, the controllers all have the same USB adaptor, so that doesn't strike me as a backbreakng challenge of imagination to overcome. And yeah, all those extra games - maybe they could even make titles downloadable? Add a cartridge/card slot with complete collections of games on? That would give the system longeviety and make it more than a passing plastic novelty...

Call me crazy.

They don't want to give the system longevity. This is Nintendo the toy company. They are selling a toy that looks like a small SNES, with a bonus ability to play a selection of games. They priced it $80. Market can decide if such a thing is desirable or not.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Isn't this a good thing? Like this means it's hackable. That's all I need to know.

Y'all tripping out. Make your SNES Classic a NES Classic with two replica controllers. Or make it whatever you want.

Weren't you all complaining that NES Classic is hard to buy? Well now's your chance lol.

 

[Joey Ravn]

Homebrew dual boot NES and SNES incoming with all the games plus more.

That would be great, but remember that the S/NES Classics are severely limited in storage. They have 512MB of onboard writable memory, of which around 120 are used for storing the kernel containing the OS and the games.

You can easily compress the entire NES library into a few megabytes, but the ~600 of NTSC SNES games is a different matter altogether.

Adding NES games to the SNES Classic is a much more viable solution.

 

[Nheco]

So you're saying even Nintendo can't run perfect emulations of SNES games on their hardware?

They could, they just don't need.

 

[LordOcidax]

Why would they use something different to begin with and why does that matter since you're buying overpriced roms anyway? People make no sense

Lolol. Why are people Salty because classic minis???... For me.. Super Metroid for $3 dollars is a bargain.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

They don't want to give the system longevity. This is Nintendo the toy company. They are selling a toy that looks like a small SNES, with a bonus ability to play a selection of games. They priced it $80. Market can decide if such a thing is desirable or not.

I wonder if the idea behind these systems wasn't simply to have an additional source of income from a product with much broader appeal in case their new console performed like the Wii U again.

 

[Atheerios]

I think this is evidence against a possible N64 mini.

Maybe it was true that the NES Mini was originally intended to be a one time thing, with very limited availability. But seeing the success Nintendo decided to reuse the components to make the SNES Mini.

But now, making a N64 Mini would require totally different components, and I don't think Nintendo will take the time (and get additional assembly lines) for that.

 

[muteki]

I can't believe they didn't change it at least for hacking reasons. Good thing it didn't I guess, and seems to perform capably anyway. Storage is more of an issue but an unreasonable expectation to have it bumped.

 

[LordOcidax]

I think this is evidence against a possible N64 mini.

Maybe it was true that the NES Mini was originally intended to be a one time thing, with very limited availability. But seeing the success Nintendo decided to reuse the components to make the SNES Mini.

But now, making a N64 Mini would require totally different components, and I don't think Nintendo will take the time (and get additional assembly lines) for that.

The NES mini hardware is totally capable to run N64 games... Even GC and Wii games...

 

[Ninja Dom]

Makes it easily hackable to add new games, excellent. What are 10 must have games that are missing from the SNES Classic lineup?



Go.

Piracy talk? Cos of course you would already need to own these 10 must have games so you can rip the Roms to load them on your SNES Classic Mini, right?

 

[OmegaDL50]

The power issue doesn't seem like a concern. What I'm more curious about is how they would run both NES and SNES games on the same type of hardware. I remember reading and interview from Eurogamer (I think?) where they spoke with a guy who made one of the most popular SNES emulators, and said that's it's very hard to do so, even with powerful PCs.

That article was talking about running SNES games with 100% hardware cycle accuracy, which is very demanding of hardware.

None of the games on the NES or SNES classic are remotely running at 100% hardware cycle accuracy and instead rely on speed hacks and tricks like most other emulators that are not Higan / Bsnes.

 

[VariantX]

Likely will be the same thing inside a potential N64 Mini. The insides are way overkill for NES and SNES games.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I already have the NES and plan to resell the SNES I've ordered but it turns out that I pretty much already have the SNES as well!

Sell the NES Classic, more rare and it's only two buttons vs four, and it's one controller vs two.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Do you get that you're asking "Why didn't Nintendo release a completely different product for a completely different market?"

I'm not, I'm fully aware of why they did it: blatant greed. Why sell a fun functional and flexible product when you can artificially lock it and sell it two or three times over?

I'm suggesting it would have been a better, more respectable decision. I'm also fully aware they probably couldn't give two shits what I think.

Spoiler

They never did when I worked there, at least.

 

[ScaryShark]

I'm not, I'm fully aware of why they did it: blatant greed. [/SPOILER]

Yeah. Companies exist to make profits. Crazy.

 

[ibrahima]

I am ok with this.

 

[conpfreak]

The NES mini hardware is totally capable to run N64 games... Even GC and Wii games...

It's totally not capable of emulating GC "roms". The hardware is just more powerful than a GC.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Yeah. Companies exist to make profits. Crazy.

I take it you're not a Jim Sterling fan?

 

[molnizzle]

Does this mean SNES mini will be just as easy to hack as NES mini?

Great news if so.

 

[Cleve]

Oh, just a limitation of the amount of available flash.

It's not a storage issue, it's an application memory management issue. The front end Nintendo designed was not created to scale indefinitely. Once you take the (awesome) Nintendo front end out of the equation, the system can support way more games.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

Spoiler

They never did when I worked there, at least.

What was your job at the company?

It's not a storage issue, it's an application memory management issue. The front end Nintendo designed was not created to scale indefinitely. Once you take the (awesome) Nintendo front end out of the equation, the system can support way more games.

Oh, ok. Thanks for the explanation.