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SNES mini teardown confirms recycled NES mini tech
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JohnSpartanLee
Member
lol @NERD (Nintendo Europe Research & Development)
The lack of Terranigma (and its two prequels) on that list is criminal
FutureLarking
Member
Well, that and they've charging for the emulation developement for all the various chips. R&D gotta be recouped!
LordRaptor
Member
okay;
Do you get that there is a difference between a one and done, as is product, and one that is effectively a new ongoing platform, with ongoing maintenance costs like a network infrastructure for CDN and purchasing, and ongoing customer support?
A toy that has 21 included games and hooks up to the TV, if it breaks swap it with another is one product.
A retro gaming platform with eshop, downloads, customer support, online billing, etc is a very different product.
Like... I don't see the complaint. Its a bundle of ROMs for $4 a pop, with 'free' hardware to play them. That's not wildly out of line with other retro collections like Namco Museum or MegaMan Collection, and those don't come with 'free' hardware to let you play them directly, they require very very expensive hardware in addition to the cost of the games themselves
Vinsanity.
Member
Im thinking each console costs them less than $10 to manufacture...maybe less than $5?
sixteen-bit
Member
the profit margins must be so much higher than Switch which surprised me that the NES classic was so limited.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
Is this supposed to be surprising?
Did people think the NES Mini's hardware was exactly powerful enough to run NES games only, but nothing else, and required an upgrade to run SNES software...?
Did people think the NES Mini's hardware was exactly powerful enough to run NES games only, but nothing else, and required an upgrade to run SNES software...?
You would need a devixe stronger than a 360 to emulate GC properly.
mullet2000
Member
Does this mean this thing is going to get hacked and able to add additional games right off the bat?
I need Chrono Trigger, Demon's Crest, Skyblazers, and DKC2 on this thing.
I need Chrono Trigger, Demon's Crest, Skyblazers, and DKC2 on this thing.
They couldnt reuse the case because then it would look like a NES
sixteen-bit
Member
yeah most people aren't that into hardware specs
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
Consumer support initially, then moved in to coordination for a while. Honestly, it wasn't great - left shortly after the WiiU launch.
ScaryShark
Banned
I like and respect Jim but I'm not in lockstep with everything he says. Does he have a take on the SNES Classic I'm not aware of? If he does, I'd be interested in reading or hearing it.
You seem to be asking for a product that Nintendo has no incentive to make and then are annoyed with the product they are making because it doesn't perfectly suit your needs and wishes. Which is fine, since as a consumer, you have the right to buy or not buy anything you want.
I'm taking exception to your posts criticizing this product and Nintendo since you don't seem to be willing to look at it from Nintendo's POV as to why they'd do anything you suggest when a) this product sold its pre-orders out instanteneously and b) is going to be in Targets and Walmarts and is appealing to the broadest spectrum of people out there and not just enthusiasts like you.
You can use words like 'anti-consumer' and stuff to describe things that don't explicitly appeal to you and function, update and can be added on to in perpetuity but it would be logically flawed. That isn't this product and it isn't trying to be.
Now I want a Super Game Boy Classic mini cart with 20 preloaded games that I can plug into my Super NES Classic mini...
theSlacker
Member
I really really wish it was included. Euroland finally getting Mario RPG and NA getting Terranigma would have been good symmetry,
JohnSpartanLee
Member
Also with a Wii-to-USB-adapter you can use the controllers on PC. The pads alone are worth 40+$.
I just want the ability to add English versions of text-heavy games (FF6, Secret of Mana, etc.) since I was only able to secure a JP preorder. Hopefully this will be a thing by the time my system arrives in a few weeks. Seems like a waste of time/money to try and get a US version too if I can just add English versions as necessary...
Stuff like SMW and MMX should be fine though.
Stuff like SMW and MMX should be fine though.
UnemployedVillain
Member
You're buying it for the look and feel of the console. The equivalent of a raspberry pi + (NES/NES) emulator and roms and (NES/SNES) controllers so why wouldn't they be the same?
Yeah, because people are totally buying this for the internal hardware LOL.
Tetris Attack
Chrono Trigger
DKC2
Uniracers
Dragon Quest V
Gundam Wing Endless Waltz
Super Bomberman 2 (Debatable since no multitap)
Illusion of Gaia
TMNT IV
Actraiser
DKC2 aside, I kept it to one per series.
Dreamwriter
Member
I wonder if Nintendo fixed the stupidity of the USB data lines hooked up this time - thats the only reason the NES Classic was hacked so easily, when USB should only have supplied power and not allowed data to pass to/from the device. If Nintendo fixed that, youd need to open the case and tinker inside to read/write the firmware.
... why is this a surprise / problem?
If they were smart, they would have made a single platform they could repeat for NES / SNES / N64 if they wanted to...
- Star Fox 2
- Supply/Demand
If they were smart, they would have made a single platform they could repeat for NES / SNES / N64 if they wanted to...
- Star Fox 2
- Supply/Demand
Robin64
Member
Nope. The SNES Mini NAND has already been dumped, same method.
I'm not sure I understand this.
I mean, there is no SNES Classic Mini with an alternate set of games... what's the "two or three times" referring to? Surely not reusing the same hardware, which seems quite a smart decision to me.
Prithee Be Careful
Industry Professional
Nope, but the idea that 'companies exist to make money, duh' as argument is laughable - and one that Jim staunchly lobbies against. it's perfectly fine to discuss the approach of various video game companies to their products and services - a video game forum is probably the best place for this.
It's a forum, I don't know what to tell you. We already agreed that Nintendo's point of view is 'profit'.
I didn't...
mullet2000
Member
Because 960p is a weird resolution no one uses, basically.
Also then you lose it scaling linearly to 720p and 4k displays that way.
720p TV's?
-2nd controller
AtomicShroom
Member
Im never surprised anymore at the idiocies that a portion of GAF members can believe or come up with. Back when the NES Classic was announced, a fair portion of gaffers thought it would be a modernized replica of the actual NES hardware capable of running native NES games. And I was like: No, this is going to be nothing but an emulation box running on hardware much more powerful than an actual NES. And I was being asked for source. Just, smh.
Iced Arcade
Member
I don't really think they care. it's not like people adding games to it takes away sales from them.
Yep. If anything it actually makes the Classic minis more desirable for enthusiasts.
Blam
Member
Lmao
Acidote
Member
It has made me buy two. One to hack and one to keep intact.
Vital Tundra
Member
So why dont these games run better? I would rather play SF2 at a higher fps than it being historically accurate.
Robin64
Member
You'd have to reprogram the game to achieve that. Applying a higher FPS to these games would speed them up, too.
Good job they are re-releasing them. (NES)
Yeah, people already speculated last year that the NES Mini hardware was well equipped to do a hypothetical SNES Mini and possibly N64 Mini. When Nintendo announced the SNES Mini I think the assumption was that it'd run on the same hardware and it was hoped it'd be just as easy to hack.
I'm pretty happy that all those assumptions are pretty much spot on.
The fact that they're resuming NES Mini production next year says to me that there won't be an N64 Mini next year, either this is where it stops or they need beefier hardware for N64 emulation.
Let's no go crazy here. The hardware is equivalent to a 2013 smartphone. It can maybe go as far as N64 (and probably only early games like SM64, MK64, OoT, etc.), but a GC/Wii emulator is out of question. It has only 256MBs of RAM, for starters.
ScaryShark
Banned
You used 'greed' to describe a company not servicing your every need in an all in one product while ignoring reality. 'Greed' as an adjective to describe a for profit company could be used against literally any entity. Sorry if I didn't really respect that 'point'.
You're not 'right' and Nintendo isn't 'wrong' just because they aren't directly targeting what you want. You say you want to discuss the approach of video game companies while willingly ignoring their POV and instead just calling them 'greedy'. If you can't move beyond a company existing to make profit, how much do you honestly want to talk about their approach in a meaningful way?
This is a product that is made to appeal to a wide range of people and be in big box stores. It's a product that leverages Nintendo's IP and history in a nice, affordable and attractive package that will be enticing to different generations and types of consumer.
It's a product that needs to be physically reminiscent of a popular and nostalgic toy while also being convenient to set up and use. If it isn't convenient, affordable and nostalgic it harms Nintendo's brand for the casual consumer that this thing is targeting. The first time this thing has to update or be 'added on to' or updated it defeats its purpose and annoys a lot of the demographic that Nintendo is coveting.
You're compelling about a thing that was never coveting you. If this was a paperweight that Nintendo was going to have trouble moving I'd be a lot more sympathetic to your suggestion of what they should do but that clearly isn't the case.
sixteen-bit
Member
They should have made the casing interchangeable, and sold cases for £20 a pop with the innards costing £60. Then we could choose which casing to have on at any time. NES Mon-Fri and SNES at the weekend.
Right?
I'm sure 3rd party replacement cases will be on aliexpress within days
the Japanese version has it built in (Panel de Pon). Shame it's not it by default but homebre will correct that mistake.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Because they're going for accuracy