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[farisr]

This.

I find it amazing how many people seem to have given up on the game or want it to fail, without playing it first, just because it's trying something different. Gameplay is the best GT has ever been and it still has a decent amount of content, even though PD have trimmed the fat from past games.

Campaign Mode - 150+ Challenges, Tests and Driving Etiquette Training.
Arcade Mode - Race against AI with Custom Options / 2 Player Split Screen.
Sport Mode - FIA Online Racing Championship.
VR Mode - 1 v 1 Racing in VR.
Brand Central - Buy cars and watch movies about the history of the manufactures.
Livery Editor.
Scapes Photo Mode.
150+ Highest Quality Premium Cars - No more standard cars with no interiors.
17 Tracks with 28 Layouts.
4K CBR / HDR / 60fps / Improved Sound.

It's not perfect but there's still plenty of game here, it's far from a bare bones release like some people are trying to make out. DLC (cars and tracks) will only improve on this foundation, maybe a career mode will come at some point too. Games seem to have a habit of getting big improvements with DLC this gen, so it wouldn't surprise me if that happens here too.

What I find amazing is how many people are just repeatedly acting like the it's an objective opinion that stuff needed to be cut. Phrasing it like "trimming the fat" as though that content is less valuable or was harmful, when that content specifically missing is what people are disappointed with . It really does show it all.

I believe everyone knows this game is going to sell and make back nearly all of its budget at launch. Most of the people disappointed don't want this to be a runaway success after that good launch because they don't want this to be the direction of the series. And you know what's more amazing or rather increasingly frustrating as time goes on, despite a lot of these people not caring about online races at all, I haven't come across a single person yet (I could have missed it, I'm only human) that wanted the online portion to be cut out at the expense of the SP just because they don't care about online whereas the same cannot be said about the defenders of this game in question who more often than not basically end up coming off as "it doesn't matter to me, so it was absolutely the right thing to happen, and others should feel the same or get out"

Also, you can separate the individual components of the game and list out it all you want, same can be done for other GT games in their respective timeframes and could be a bigger list.

Most of the stuff listed is what's expected of a game like (high quality cars, hdr, 4kcb, sound) this in this day and age, it isn't something extra special being accomplished. It also doesn't change the fact that the bulk of the car count is really padded up via different class variants of the same car, basically lots of double and triples. It also doesn't change the fact that out of those 150 missions, a lot are as simple as the really basic license tests like accelerating and braking, and teaching you how to act online. Some are small timed trials of sections of courses which could be as simple as performing a turn within the given time etc etc.,

And again, you seemingly love to go "but what if they add this after" or "what if they add that after" that when PD has made no such statements about expanding or bringing stuff like career back after the game launches. People are right in not giving them the benefit of the doubt. They had 4 years. it is clearly a deliberate decision why they didn't add in a traditional career mode, and if they were planning on adding one they would've talked about it like they have about the cars already. Especially with their recent, very misleading PR-damage control they've been trying to do in regards to the campaign and offline content. Car count and track count increasing, sure, can be expected, but even that's not confirmed to be free at this point. Just that there will be no microtransactions like GT6 that allwoed you spend cash to purchase in-game credits.

The notion of "give them a chance, they could add it later" is a really dangerous one. You reward developers by purchasing a game for what's there at launch and if they have a good track record, what they've promised to release shortly after launch, not on hypotheticals.

 

[IISANDERII]

Almost sounds hard to believe but respect to Polyphony for their decision. I'm still skiping the game though.

Skipping a game because it won't have microtransactions wtf am I reading

 

[sublimit]

What I find amazing is how many people are just repeatedly acting like the it's an objective opinion that stuff needed to be cut. Phrasing it like "trimming the fat" as though that content is less valuable or was harmful, when that content specifically missing is what people are disappointed with . It really does show it all.

I believe everyone knows this game is going to sell and make back nearly all of its budget at launch. Most of the people disappointed don't want this to be a runaway success after that good launch because they don't want this to be the direction of the series. And you know what's more amazing or rather increasingly frustrating as time goes on, despite a lot of these people not caring about online races at all, I haven't come across a single person yet (I could have missed it, I'm only human) that wanted the online portion to be cut out at the expense of the SP just because they don't care about online whereas the same cannot be said about the defenders of this game in question.

Also, you can separate the individual components of the game and list out it all you want, same can be done for other GT games in their respective timeframes and could be a bigger list.

Most of the stuff listed is what's expected of a game like (high quality cars, hdr, 4kcb, sound) this in this day and age, it isn't something extra special being accomplished. It also doesn't change the fact that the bulk of the car count is really padded up via different class variants of the same car, basically lots of double and triples. It also doesn't change the fact that out of those 150 missions, a lot are as simple as the really basic license tests like accelerating and braking, and teaching you how to act online. Some are small timed trials of sections of courses which could be as simple as performing a turn within the given time etc etc.,

And again, you seemingly love to go "but what if they add this after" or "what if they add that after" that when PD has made no such statements about expanding or bringing stuff like career back after the game launches. People are right in not giving them the benefit of the doubt. They had 4 years. it is clearly a deliberate decision why they didn't add in a traditional career mode, and if they were planning on adding one they would've talked about it like they have about the cars already. Especially with their recent, very misleading PR-damage control they've been trying to do in regards to the campaign and offline content. Car count and track count increasing, sure, can be expected, but even that's not confirmed to be free at this point. Just that there will be no microtransactions like GT6 that allwoed you spend cash to purchase in-game credits.

The notion of "give them a chance, they could add it later" is a really dangerous one. You reward developers by purchasing a game for what's there at launch and if they have a good track record, what they've promised to release shortly after launch, not on hypotheticals.

Well said.
Personally i'm so much disappointed by the lack of career mode that even if they add it later i will still not buy it because i don't want them to think they can continue with this business model of releasing a half game for full price and still get away with it.

I'm not boycotting the game or anything (that would be silly) and i'm sure it will sell great (it's the first GT after 4 years and the first for this gen) but i don't want to congratulate them for their decisions.

Skipping a game because it won't have microtransactions wtf am I reading

You are reading what you want to read.I have no idea how you came up to that conclusion.

 

[cooldawn]

Career modes are awful though. They should cut them completely. Instead they should let the player define a career for them to play through.

The last time I properly played a career mode was Gran Turismo 5 to unlock stuff. These days it's just a bunch of scenario's cobbled together for no particular gain.

 

[IISANDERII]

Well said.
Personally i'm so much disappointed by the lack of career mode that even if they add it later i will still not buy it because i don't want them to think they can continue with this business model of releasing a half game for full price and still get away with it.



You are reading what you want to read.I have no idea how you came up to that conclusion.

You asked if there will be microtransactions and the answer was No. You then responded to that answer by saying that you're skipping the game.

 

[farisr]

You asked if there will be microtransactions and the answer was No. You then responded to that answer by saying that you're skipping the game.

sublimit complemented them for no microtransactions, but is still skipping the game despite it. Not because of it.

"Almost sounds hard to believe but respect to Polyphony for their decision." - good thing
"I'm still skiping the game though." as in they were planning on skipping it beforehand, and despite this good news, they are still skipping the game.

 

[Gaenor]

You asked if there will be microtransactions and the answer was No. You then responded to that answer by saying that you're skipping the game.

He said "still" skipping the game. It means he skips it for other reasons than MT.

 

[eso76]

Tbh yeah, career mode in GT was always a series of disjointed races through which obtaining money to buy cars and upgrades.
Having those handled like single custom races doesn't make a huge difference for me.

 

[Fukuzatsu]

That tends to be in RPGs that have lots of customisation/in-game unlockables anyway. The bigger problem with Western implementations is how hostile they become to all cosmetics to try and pressure you non-stop. In most JRPGs it's still hidden away in the store menu and genuinely doesn't have that much impact on the game. Not in the preying nature as some games here.

I'm not saying they won't catch up. The West, in general, is just more evolved and seedy. The loot boxes are the new poster boy over here right now as well. Even SP games are getting infested by them.

I mean why the fuck is there loot boxes in Forza? I'd hope people would digitally burn PD to the ground if we got loot boxes in GT. They've even backed down on GT6's MT's for now.

Eh, I don't know about that. Have you seen the DLC and standard SKU pricing of some of Koei-Tecmo's games? Aside from the Dead or Alive costume DLC (hundreds of dollars), some of the Nobunaga's Ambition and Romance of the Three Kingdom games cost stupidly high amounts despite not being that new. Romance of the Three Kingdoms 13 on Steam (the standard edition) is almost $90 (9,155 yen).

 

[tapedeck]

Career modes are awful though. They should cut them completely. Instead they should let the player define a career for them to play through.

The last time I properly played a career mode was Gran Turismo 5 to unlock stuff. These days it's just a bunch of scenario's cobbled together for no particular gain.

I couldn’t disagree more.

For me career mode is a relaxed way to experience the meat of the game in an organized and satisfying way, with a gradual difficulty increase to handle the faster cars and tougher tracks.

 

[cooldawn]

I couldn’t disagree more.

For me career mode is a relaxed way to experience the meat of the game in an organized and satisfying way, with a gradual difficulty increase to handle the faster cars and tougher tracks.

That's why I said you should be able to create your own Career. If you like an additional Arcade Mode. Just something not pre-defined by the developer.

 

[Niks]

Playing devil's advocate here but, have we seen the extent of the single player campaign?

I mean there's a chance that some of the traditional events are still part of it?

 

[ethomaz]

Playing devil's advocate here but, have we seen the extent of the single player campaign?

I mean there's a chance that some of the traditional events are still part of it?

There are standard races in single player if that you are asking.

It is more like they merged the License mode, challenge mode and career mode in on single mode.

 

[blastprocessor]

Question is will gt sport receive a higher metacretic over project cars 2 or forza 7?

Has Kaz done enough in what looks like a reboot?

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

What I find amazing is how many people are just repeatedly acting like the it's an objective opinion that stuff needed to be cut. Phrasing it like "trimming the fat" as though that content is less valuable or was harmful, when that content specifically missing is what people are disappointed with . It really does show it all.

The notion of "give them a chance, they could add it later" is a really dangerous one. You reward developers by purchasing a game for what's there at launch and if they have a good track record, what they've promised to release shortly after launch, not on hypotheticals.

Well I remember lots of people and reviews complaining about the standard car models, with no interiors and old sound effects, for the last few games, so I'm glad they trimmed the fat in that department, as they really hurt the presentation of the last few games. They also have added in VR, a Livery Editor, an awesome Photo mode and what looks like a great online mode, so it's not like they have just removed things without adding other things.

I'm not saying it all needed stripping back though, even I liked the Career Mode but I'm not going to cry about it. PD clearly wanted a fresh start for GT with Sport and I'm ok with that.

As for giving them a chance and having a good track record, well they have made 6 really solid GT games before this one, so I'm happy to give them my money, especially after playing the Beta, because I think the game will be really good as it is, any DLC / extra stuff added down the road will be a bonus and only make it better.

PD has a problem with development time, no doubt and they need to work on that but their GT games normally speak for themselves, when they finally come out.

 

[magawolaz]

Playing devil's advocate here but, have we seen the extent of the single player campaign?

I mean there's a chance that some of the traditional events are still part of it?

We haven't seen it all, no, but I don't see where they can possibily put them. Going by what they said, Campaign is literally just a series of tests to get you ready for online racing.
Maybe there will be a "overtake 20 cars in two laps" ala S License tests somewhere in there, that's probably the closest thing to a traditional race there'll be.

But offline it's not the focus this time around, they have no reason to add them. PD wants you to get out of your comfort zone and race online to see how much better it is.

Spoiler

And they are right

But yeah, as farisr says, I don't understand why people keep saying maybe they'll add a career later. It's just not happening.

 

[farisr]

As for giving them a chance and having a good track record, well they have made 6 really solid GT games before this one, so I'm happy to give them my money, especially after playing the Beta, because I think the game will be really good as it is, any DLC / extra stuff added down the road will be a bonus and only make it better.

That's nice, I'm glad for you. But don't act like others are being unreasonable for not giving it a chance or feeling the same way about the game as you do. You are specifically telling people who have an issue with the current direction to give it a chance because they may add in additional career mode content afterwards, which is what resulted in me replying in the first place.

I'm not saying it all needed stripping back though, even I liked the Career Mode but I'm not going to cry about it.

Nah, instead of that, you've decided to instead make snide remarks about people that care more about it more than you do.

 

[onQ123]

GT Sport [OT] It ain't a game no more, it's a sport

 

[sems4arsenal]

Aren't seasonal events, offline races?

Don't think they'd stop doing those.

 

[Niks]

There are standard races in single player if that you are asking.

It is more like they merged the License mode, challenge mode and career mode in on single mode.

We haven't seen it all, no, but I don't see where they can possibily put them. Going by what they said, Campaign is literally just a series of tests to get you ready for online racing.
Maybe there will be a "overtake 20 cars in two laps" ala S License tests somewhere in there, that's probably the closest thing to a traditional race there'll be.

But offline it's not the focus this time around, they have no reason to add them. PD wants you to get out of your comfort zone and race online to see how much better it is.

Spoiler

And they are right

But yeah, as farisr says, I don't understand why people keep saying maybe they'll add a career later. It's just not happening.

Well there's 150 events? (Correct me if I'm wrong) maybe the final 50 are more in line with traditional events. Guess we will see.

 

[aspiegamer]

Hm, is there no "Online" mode in the retail on top of "Sport"? In the beta, Sport was pre-organized races at certain tracks and car classes that started every 20 minutes with smart matchmaking. Online was suggested to be the same lobby format as before with custom races and the like. It would be savagely stupid if there's no ability to create your own races.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Hm, is there no "Online" mode in the retail on top of "Sport"? In the beta, Sport was pre-organized races at certain tracks and car classes that started every 20 minutes with smart matchmaking. Online was suggested to be the same lobby format as before with custom races and the like. It would be savagely stupid if there's no ability to create your own races.

There is regular online modes yeah.

 

[ethomaz]

Question is will gt sport receive a higher metacretic over project cars 2 or forza 7?

Has Kaz done enough in what looks like a reboot?

Well 83-85 is not hard to beat... F7 and PC2 are in that range.

 

[Spukc]

Maybe a silly question. But is there a B-spec mode in this game?

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

That's nice, I'm glad for you. But don't act like others are being unreasonable for not giving it a chance or feeling the same way about the game as you do. You are specifically telling people who have an issue with the current direction to give it a chance because they may add in additional career mode content afterwards, which is what resulted in me replying in the first place.Nah, instead of that, you've decided to instead make snide remarks about people that care more about it more than you do.

Just saying it how I see it, I think it's unreasonable to write something off before trying it and don't try to put words in my mouth, I'm not telling people to give it a chance because they might add stuff later, I'm saying give it a chance because the game still plays great and I think it will still be a good game.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter though, as it's their choice and they don't have to agree with what I think, just like how I don't agree with how some people think. It won't stop me enjoying GT Sport when it comes out.

 

[magawolaz]

Aren't seasonal events, offline races?

Don't think they'd stop doing those.

I don't see why. Sport mode will take over seasonal offline races just like Arcade time trials and drift trials with their global leaderboards will take over those same seasonals trials.

Well there's 150 events? (Correct me if I'm wrong) maybe the final 50 are more in line with traditional events. Guess we will see.

Yes they upped the event count after the delay but still not enough for a classic campaign - and again, it would take focus away from the multiplayer.
They also wouldn't let Arcade mode give credits if there were traditional offline races

 

[campbellCase]

GT Sport [OT] Putting it all on the line

 

[farisr]

Just saying it how I see it, I think it's unreasonable to write something off before trying it and don't try to put words in my mouth, I'm not telling people to give it a chance because they might add stuff later, I'm saying give it a chance because the game still plays great and I think it will still be a good game.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter though, as it's their choice and they don't have to agree with what I think, just like how I don't agree with how some people think. It won't stop me enjoying GT Sport when it comes out.

Plenty of people disappointed with the content offering (me included) got to try out the beta already. Folks know about what they do and don't like, and the reason this is such a big issue in the first place is because folks love GT gameplay. Also not putting words into your mouth, this is what you said.

I find it amazing how many people seem to have given up on the game or want it to fail, without playing it first, just because it's trying something different. Gameplay is the best GT has ever been and it still has a decent amount of content

--list--

It's not perfect but there's still plenty of game here, it's far from a bare bones release like some people are trying to make out. DLC (cars and tracks) will only improve on this foundation, maybe a career mode will come at some point too. Games seem to have a habit of getting big improvements with DLC this gen, so it wouldn't surprise me if that happens here too.

This is all the same post, it's a post directed to people who are disappointed in the content offering already, and is summarized to gameplay is good, you personally feel there's a decent amount of content (which is a non-point to people who are disappointed with the content offering on display), and PD may add a career mode later, so folks should give it a chance rather than write it off.

Perhaps this is just how you write, but that's how it's taken. You've done this before as well, and I brought it up before as well.

 

[PeterLegend]

I'm a firm believer this game will review either really well or really bad, there isn't going to be an in between.

In terms on content it is definitely light compared to PC2 and F7, that's a fact.

I hope I'm wrong, I'll pick it up during Black Friday.

 

[Fredrik]

I'm a firm believer this game will review either really well or really bad, there isn't going to be an in between.

In terms on content it is definitely light compared to PC2 and F7, that's a fact.

I hope I'm wrong, I'll pick it up during Black Friday.

Very likely, but I think the IP is too big to get really had scores so in the end that will mean it lands in the 75-85 range on metacritic, which isn't too shabby considering the pre-launch talk on the boards.

 

[Egida]

I've been thinking about this, can they even add a career mode with that car list? It looks very limited, number and variety wise, with lots of duplicates.

 

[endlessflood]

GT Sport [OT] Putting it all on the line

I like it

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Plenty of people disappointed with the content offering (me included) got to try out the beta already. Folks know about what they do and don't like, and the reason this is such a big issue in the first place is because folks love GT gameplay. Also not putting words into your mouth, this is what you said.This is all the same post, it's a post directed to people who are disappointed in the content offering already, and is summarized to gameplay is good, you personally feel there's a decent amount of content (which is a non-point to people who are disappointed with the content offering on display), and PD may add a career mode later, so folks should give it a chance rather than write it off.

Perhaps this is just how you write, but that's how it's taken. You've done this before as well, and I brought it up before as well.

My point was, I think the base game will be good at release, anything that comes after (DLC) will be a bonus.

Feel free to disagree if you don't like my opinion. I can't do anything PD's choices but like I said, I think the game will still be good and sometimes a change can be great, that's just how I am and there's enough negative shit on the net without adding to it, so I like to stay positive, without pre-judging something.

 

[Fredrik]

I've been thinking about this, can they even add a career mode with that car list? It looks very limited, number and variety wise, with lots of duplicates.

Of course they can, Driveclub had 114 cars going by some quick googling, and there will be DLC cars too so that won't be a problem. And the tracks are there and the A.I.

 

[Egida]

Of course they can, Driveclub had 114 cars going by some quick googling, and there will be DLC cars too so that won't be a problem. And the tracks are there and the A.I.

Yes of course they could easily add a campaign (which makes more painful the lack of one). But what I meant is a campaign similar in scope to past GTs, with championships ranging from the Toyota Yaris Cup to super cars and all that goes in between them. That's what I loved the most from Gran Turismo.

 

[PantsuJo]

What I find amazing is how many people are just repeatedly acting like the it's an objective opinion that stuff needed to be cut. Phrasing it like "trimming the fat" as though that content is less valuable or was harmful, when that content specifically missing is what people are disappointed with . It really does show it all.

I believe everyone knows this game is going to sell and make back nearly all of its budget at launch. Most of the people disappointed don't want this to be a runaway success after that good launch because they don't want this to be the direction of the series. And you know what's more amazing or rather increasingly frustrating as time goes on, despite a lot of these people not caring about online races at all, I haven't come across a single person yet (I could have missed it, I'm only human) that wanted the online portion to be cut out at the expense of the SP just because they don't care about online whereas the same cannot be said about the defenders of this game in question who more often than not basically end up coming off as "it doesn't matter to me, so it was absolutely the right thing to happen, and others should feel the same or get out"

Also, you can separate the individual components of the game and list out it all you want, same can be done for other GT games in their respective timeframes and could be a bigger list.

Most of the stuff listed is what's expected of a game like (high quality cars, hdr, 4kcb, sound) this in this day and age, it isn't something extra special being accomplished. It also doesn't change the fact that the bulk of the car count is really padded up via different class variants of the same car, basically lots of double and triples. It also doesn't change the fact that out of those 150 missions, a lot are as simple as the really basic license tests like accelerating and braking, and teaching you how to act online. Some are small timed trials of sections of courses which could be as simple as performing a turn within the given time etc etc.,

And again, you seemingly love to go "but what if they add this after" or "what if they add that after" that when PD has made no such statements about expanding or bringing stuff like career back after the game launches. People are right in not giving them the benefit of the doubt. They had 4 years. it is clearly a deliberate decision why they didn't add in a traditional career mode, and if they were planning on adding one they would've talked about it like they have about the cars already. Especially with their recent, very misleading PR-damage control they've been trying to do in regards to the campaign and offline content. Car count and track count increasing, sure, can be expected, but even that's not confirmed to be free at this point. Just that there will be no microtransactions like GT6 that allwoed you spend cash to purchase in-game credits.

The notion of "give them a chance, they could add it later" is a really dangerous one. You reward developers by purchasing a game for what's there at launch and if they have a good track record, what they've promised to release shortly after launch, not on hypotheticals.

This is the best response, thank you for this great post.

I won't support this GT.

 

[Liliana Eileen]

I'm a firm believer this game will review either really well or really bad, there isn't going to be an in between.

In terms on content it is definitely light compared to PC2 and F7, that's a fact.

I hope I'm wrong, I'll pick it up during Black Friday.

Some IPs are too big for it to round out sub-70 MC, though.

 

[Fredrik]

Yes of course they could easily add a campaign (which makes more painful the lack of one). But what I meant is a campaign similar in scope to past GTs, with championships ranging from the Toyota Yaris Cup to super cars and all that goes in between them. That's what I loved the most from Gran Turismo.

Myeah that may be a problem... :/
I loved that part of older GT too, upgrading some older car into a rocket and win over cars that's supposed to be much faster is sooo satisfying

Spoiler

(Check out my Volvo Amazon video from FM7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkCWoGaLhK0)

But we've had racing games with only sports car before so it should still be okay. I just think we need to them to listen to us and it'll happen, sooner or later.

 

[bombshell]

Of course they can, Driveclub had 114 cars going by some quick googling, and there will be DLC cars too so that won't be a problem. And the tracks are there and the A.I.

Driveclub launched with 50 cars, GT Sport launces with over 150.

Car count of a racing game really is a nonsense stat to determine a racing game's quality from, to some extent of course since it needs to be a number that enables variety.

I find it refreshing and long overdue that PD with GT Sport has dropped the hugely inflated car count and instead gone for the approach where they can put more time into perfecting the physics of each car that they do have.

 

[SliChillax]

This is the best response, thank you for this great post.

I won't support this GT.

Me neither, but I will get it used at a cheaper price. Hopefully by then they'll have added more content.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Driveclub launched with 50 cars, GT Sport launces with over 150.

Car count of a racing game really is a nonsense stat to determine a racing game's quality from, to some extent of course since it needs to be a number that enables variety.

I find it refreshing and long overdue that PD with GT Sport has dropped the hugely inflated car count and instead gone for the approach where they can put more time into perfecting the physics of each car that they do have.

Yeah agreed, having 1000+ cars in the past didn't make me love GT, hell I didn't even drive the majority of them, so having less but a more focused selection is fine with me.

150 cars is fine for a start and the fact they are of such high quality (quite possibly the highest quality car models in any game) is really great. Quality over quantity works for me in this situation.

GT3 dropped the quantity but upped the quality and it was great, so the same could happen here too.

 

[Fredrik]

Driveclub launched with 50 cars, GT Sport launces with over 150.

Car count of a racing game really is a nonsense stat to determine a racing game's quality from, to some extent of course since it needs to be a number that enables variety.

I find it refreshing and long overdue that PD with GT Sport has dropped the hugely inflated car count and instead gone for the approach where they can put more time into perfecting the physics of each car that they do have.

Yeah it's great that they're improving on the core aspect of the game. I just wish they would've left the SP content intact really, that's my only complaint, everything else seems awesome, graphics and polish is unreal. I know they tried to do a reboot of sorts and I know online gaming is popular nowadays but everything is there, cars, tracks, AI, so it shouldn't be impossible for a smaller part of their team to setup a campaign just to please their older fans without it affecting the new online focus.
But maybe it's all in the works as we speak and they'll announce it next E3 or something like that. We'll see what happens, until then I've decided to wait on the sidelines this time.

 

[Synth]

Well 83-85 is not hard to beat... F7 and PC2 are in that range.

GT hasn't seen 85+ since GT4 though... and we're currently talking about a GT where the content is being questioned ahead of time.

 

[thelastword]

This is the best response, thank you for this great post.

I won't support this GT.

Me neither, but I will get it used at a cheaper price. Hopefully by then they'll have added more content.

There are many other racers and options guys, if this is not your Jive...

 

[Synth]

It's cute how thelastword will be policing GT threads like "move it along if it's not for you folks"... whilst also being all up in Forza threads, admitting to not having touched one since the earlier 360 days, and comparing the physics to PGR1.

 

[BigEmil]

When Driveclub studio closed what happened to all the assets does Sony have them?

 

[SolarMystic]

This.

I find it amazing how many people seem to have given up on the game or want it to fail, without playing it first, just because it's trying something different. Gameplay is the best GT has ever been and it still has a decent amount of content, even though PD have trimmed the fat from past games.

Campaign Mode - 150+ Challenges, Tests and Driving Etiquette Training.
Arcade Mode - Race against AI with Custom Options / 2 Player Split Screen.
Sport Mode - FIA Online Racing Championship.
VR Mode - 1 v 1 Racing in VR.
Brand Central - Buy cars and watch movies about the history of the manufactures.
Livery Editor.
Scapes Photo Mode.
150+ Highest Quality Premium Cars - No more standard cars with no interiors.
17 Tracks with 28 Layouts.
4K CBR / HDR / 60fps / Improved Sound.

It's not perfect but there's still plenty of game here, it's far from a bare bones release like some people are trying to make out. DLC (cars and tracks) will only improve on this foundation, maybe a career mode will come at some point too. Games seem to have a habit of getting big improvements with DLC this gen, so it wouldn't surprise me if that happens here too.

Seeing it laid out like this makes it look even worse.

 

[watdaeff4]

Well 83-85 is not hard to beat... F7 and PC2 are in that range.

Lol ok.

I mean I know you are a huge Sony fanboy, but this is just silly. (Fact-checking is easy and Forza 7 reviews aren't even done. Forza 6 was at 87.)

OT:
As primarily a SP guy, I'm disappointed with the online focus of this game, but just like I wound up loving SFV because the core gameplay was soooo good; I'm willing to take a chance in this game too

 

[Synth]

Lol ok.

I mean I know you are a huge Sony fanboy, but this is just silly. (Fact-checking is easy and Forza 7 reviews aren't even done. Forza 6 was at 87)

OT:
As primarily a SP guy, I'm disappointed with the online focus of this game, but just like I wound up loving SFV because the core gameplay was soooo good; I'm willing to take a chance in this game too

FM7's at 87 on Opencritic, which is what I'm assuming he decided to opt for, because otherwise you'd be talking about Metacritic's 93

It'll definitely drop from 93, as that's basically an impossible score for a racer to get these days regardless... but with 5 reviews each, I'm suspicious of why you'd come back with only the Opencritic ballpark.

 

[Audioboxer]

FM7's at 87 on Opencritic, which is what I'm assuming he decided to opt for, because otherwise you'd be talking about Metacritic's 93

It'll definitely drop from 93, as that's basically an impossible score for a racer to get these days regardless... but with 5 reviews each, I'm suspicious of why you'd come back with only the Opencritic ballpark.

If reviewers have metaphorical balls Forza 7 should be getting kicked down a notch for the complete takeover by microtransactions, loot boxes and the nerfing of VIP. I'm not saying everyone needs to NBA 2K18 3/10 everything this insidious, but it should come into score weighting in the current games industry. Cowards and brown nosers will wave it off as "games as a service" and "these devs gotta eat" and "but it doesn't upset me!". It's gone too far in Forza now and MS need to know that. They even put video advertisements in the series...

GTSport already has the high ground for Kaz saying they'll ditch MT's, but GTSport is still going to get slaughtered for lack of content compared to previous entries coupled with us having to wait till near the end of the PS4 generation to get this cut down GT. Weather is looking iffy as well, and reviewers will again dock reviews if PD have nuked weather from GT5/GT6 (dynamic is definitely gone). This is going to come across like the kind of GT effort that should have released as a "rushed" PS4 launch title.