Imperial Bishop
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People really get worked up over cartoons from another country.
I remember when it was called Japanimation.
People really get worked up over cartoons from another country.
Anime is a medium just like any other I have no idea why this is such a hard concept to grasp
Anime has such variety that this kind statement means you don't care much to see it all.. which I understand in a way. It's like saying I don't like movies because you've seen a bunch of comedy movies and hate the medium.Every single thing about anime puts me off. Can't see me turning around anytime soon.
Right. And then spends multiple paragraphs talking about how shitty the Anime Avatar Brigade is, before talking about how he's going to give anime a chance anyway, and then dismisses Bebop because he thinks it appeals to the douchebags he said he was going to ignore.No, I read the whole article. Even noted that part. The author just forgets that he wrote that line as soon as he gets to the next paragraph.
Cowboy Bebop is better put together than most live action shows and since when is being introspective and "slow" (which makes little sense as a descriptor of CB) a bad thing when some of the most popular live action shows can be slower burns and full of introspection? It sounds more like people have a bigger issue with taking animated stuff as serious art.
Every single thing about anime puts me off. Can't see me turning around anytime soon.
I love Cowboy Bebop, but it enforces a lot of the classic anime tropes, so I could understand why someone wouldn't care for it. Still giving up on it after two episodes, seems awfully premature I might add.
Anime is NOT a genre. Anime is, in it's simplest, a style.
I binge-watched Cowboy Bebop with a friend a few years ago, as he had been insisting I watch an anime for a long time. I remember thinking it was alright overall, but I don't have many memories of it (the problem with binge-watching).
More recently I watched Your Name, which I really enjoyed. I might have liked it a lot because it was a movie and not a long-form show, and because it's relatively grounded in its premise and realistic in its characters.
If somebody has a recommendation along those lines, I might watch it.
I binge-watched Cowboy Bebop with a friend a few years ago, as he had been insisting I watch an anime for a long time. I remember thinking it was alright overall, but I don't have many memories of it (the problem with binge-watching).
More recently I watched Your Name, which I really enjoyed. I might have liked it a lot because it was a movie and not a long-form show, and because it's relatively grounded in its premise and realistic in its characters.
If somebody has a recommendation along those lines, I might watch it.
Any of Makoto Shinkai's other work, for starters. You might also want to try something from Satoshi Kon, maybe Tokyo Godfathers, which is significantly less heavy and psychological than some of his other stuff.
You might also dig Mamoru Hosoda's work, like The Girl Who Leapt Through Time or Summer Wars.
Same here.
I had to turn off avatars on GAF because I can't stand the thought of someone walking by my screen and seeing one of the 90317506580356305603 anime avatars on here and thinking I have any interest in it at all.
Ha ha, what.Professed anime fans like Milo Yiannopoulos used it to speak directly to the lonely, 4chan-dwelling men who would make up the soldiers of their meme war. Yiannopoulos started out doing Digimon reviews for Breitbart and ranting about the wrong kinds of anime fans as a pretext to pivoting into an even more toxic form of obnoxiousness.
Get away from the shonens.
Watch some Cowboy Bebop, Code Geass, and Death Note.
Problem with that is that the majority of daytime shows are series aimed specifically at children, which is a problem in and of itself (recommending them can be construed as a way of saying "your tastes are childish and not worth catering to as an adult"). The overlap between anime that plays during daytime slots and anime that aims at adult audiences is basically nonexistent. The vast, vast majority of adult-oriented shows are not Yuri on Ice, I can say that much.That's because your mainly only watching late night animation. If you spent your time watching late night cartoons you'd get an equally skewered view point. Most of the day time stuff barely gets talked about on communities like gaf.
Blade Runner is a great film.
It put me to sleep eight times before I could sit through it all in one sitting, but it's a great film.
Could you name a few shows you have in mind? The only one that comes to my mind is Breaking Bad, but that was violent and about drugs and not quite as thematically subtle as Bebop.
There is going to be an overlap with some people that simply can't take anime seriously because it's animated, but as a life long fan I have my reasons for not choosing Bebop as a great gateway anime.
It's part of animation, which is a medium. It's shorthand for the work of the medium of animation that comes out of Japan.Slightly offtopic but should anime even be considered a medium? It's a specific, easily identifiable part of a medium but I don't think it's its own thing, no more than manga is its own 'medium'.
Problem with that is that the majority of daytime shows are series aimed specifically at children, which is a problem in and of itself (recommending them can be construed as a way of saying "your tastes are childish and not worth catering to as an adult"). The overlap between anime that plays during daytime slots and anime that aims at adult audiences is basically nonexistent. The vast, vast majority of adult-oriented shows are not Yuri on Ice, I can say that much.
I feel like I've grown up and anime has failed to grow up with me. I can no longer stomach all the idiotic shoehorned-in fan service, the vapid character writing, and the both implied and overt sexism that's almost ubiquitous in the medium. I still watch a bunch of stuff, but at least some of that is out of some sense of obligation. I want to give them a chance to "wow" me, even though I'm clearly not a member of their target audience. Even then, I filter out a bunch of stuff on premise alone, and disappointment is frequent.
I just can't be arsed to defend the medium at this point, even as someone who could be described as a "lifelong fan". It's got its upsides, but even Sturgeon's Law can't explain the vast amount of terrible, terrible shit in it. It's just that the bad parts are even worse than the usual shit, and it honestly hurts just to be associated with that crap.
the both implied and overt sexism that's almost ubiquitous in the medium.
This sounds ominous.I gave him some recommendation, we'll see how that turns out.
Some demographics (heterosexual male otaku, many with pedophilic tendencies) get served far more than others (women, non-Japanese viewers (for obvious reasons), etc.).
The medium has a stigma for a reason. Doesn't make sense to me to deny that. There are certainly gems that help offset that, but there's no washing off the stench.
Can a lifelong anime skeptic learn to love it?
Why would you even want to. Like, it's okay to not like something.
Perfectly halal.This sounds ominous.
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Series: Dennou Coil and Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket. The first is near-future AR, about 6 years before Google Glass. The latter is the only serious war story in the entire Gundam franchise (maybe 08th MS Team counts).
Film: Sword of the Stranger. Milquetoast samurai period film thats mostly a vehicle
I just wanted to make a brief reply to acknowledge similarities between this article and the resulting thread, and an article from 2015 about Otaku culture -- and I think if you read that thread and article, you'll see many of the same responses playing out predictably:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1144418
My sister really loved Azumanga Daioh so I guess when I think of "moe" I think of that. I don't know if that counts or not. This was many years ago, but I remember it being a little shrill and high energy for my liking. I'm a really really subdued, relaxed kind of person in general so probably an bad fit for the kind of, I don't know, emotional, emotive, expressive, high energy stuff that I would associate with that term. Like if I close my eyes and think of a character with a big mouth or that weird cultural trope of the streams of tears coming down the face like pillars or any of the other really expressive, sort of super deformed traits and the associated character or personality traits, that's not something I enjoy. I didn't really like people who acted like teenage girls when I was a teenager, and every year I get older I find that type of person more grating.
Ultimately the reason why I don't watch more anime is because there are a lot of themes that don't really resonate with me. When I do occasionally ask for recommendations from people I generally stress that I don't want: a warrior on a quest to power himself up and fight bigger bad guys; I have less than zero interest in badass military or mecha gear; I don't like nonsense pseudo-philosophical stuff; the supernatural; no big hair or ridiculous, campy character designs; no teen-oriented relationship stuff; no shrill or high pitched noises, a few other things. I also don't have any cultural attachment to Japan as a setting so unless it is brought to life in a really novel or interesting way (I loved Paprika, for example--I don't know if anime films count as anime for the purposes of this thread). So I feel like there are a lot of major themes don't really connect with me. That's cool though, I also don't like pro sports or whatever, live and let live.
Anime is just a style of animation.
To that end, Im interested in checking out Satoshi Kons other work, particularly Perfect Blue and Millennium Actress.
Anime Fans Are (Not) SupremacistsPeople get worked up when they say "people who like thing are bad". It's some Skub/anti-skub shit.
Like, the anime is for jerks meme is one thing but doing 500 words on how anime fans are white supremacists is a little much.
The problem with the "anime is a medium" defense is that it ignores the fact that unlike books, movies, TV shows and games, anime originates solely from a single country, thus it seriously, seriously lacks diversity when it comes to storytelling despite the multiple genres it offers.
So it's entirely reasonable for one not to like anime in general, as a medium. Even most of the anime classics are still steeped in cliches and archetypes that permeate the entire medium. It's difficult to avoid them no matter which genre of anime you watch.
In my opinion there are a few shows worth watching, but it's really some of the movies that really manage to avoid the usual pitfalls when it comes to story and characterization. Watch anything by Studio Ghibli, Mamoru Hosoda, Satoshi Kon and Makoto Shinkai.